Subtitles should also have color/background/stroke options on an OS level if possible.
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Game developers, please, for the love of god, increase the text size in your games
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Wait, really!? I just started playing the game a few days ago, and the text size was really bugging me. The spots in the UI where it gives you the tooltip to select a building submenu and it's just fucking impossible to read. And in several places the text in menus is just slightly too small and I play on a 55" TV that's not that far away.
Shit I'll hold off for a while if that's the case.
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Yeah, subtitle backgrounds are another feature that is bafflingly overlooked.
I agree with all of what you said, really. "But it costs money", fuck off, you're spending a hundred million dollars on marketing, you can spend a few hundred thousand dollars on implementing subtitle options.
Acessibility and inclusion is a issue to many people and they fight back, i don't know why.
Some of the text in-menu in Death Stranding was basically unreadable. I guess scaling between font size and aspect ratios are to blame but I don't know, just figure it out.
Because it's harder to show empathy than it is to give an opinion. :(
I remember the original Dead Rising having this issue and Capcom trying to downplay it back then. Can't believe it still comes up so much. It was absolutely an issue for me in the Outer Worlds.
Amusingly, the recent SaGa Scarlet Grace has two UIs for you to choose from. The "Modern" one has this issue in spades, while the "Classic" one is much more readable. Unfortunately, the Classic UI is basically the mobile version's UI and has some other issues, like touchscreen buttons that you can't press on the console and buttons that aren't labeled with which controller button they correspond to. It's still more usable for me than the Modern option.
Amusingly, the recent SaGa Scarlet Grace has two UIs for you to choose from. The "Modern" one has this issue in spades, while the "Classic" one is much more readable. Unfortunately, the Classic UI is basically the mobile version's UI and has some other issues, like touchscreen buttons that you can't press on the console and buttons that aren't labeled with which controller button they correspond to. It's still more usable for me than the Modern option.
Perfect vision here. Playing on a 75" TV from 10-11 feet away. Nothing made me feel like my vision was going down the shitter than the Outer Worlds at launch. I got a headache within 15 minutes straining just to read it all.
Played about half an hour this last weekend. Subtitles have been fixed which worked wonders. Menu text was still small, but I wasn't straining my eyes nearly as much.
This shouldn't be an issue.
Played about half an hour this last weekend. Subtitles have been fixed which worked wonders. Menu text was still small, but I wasn't straining my eyes nearly as much.
This shouldn't be an issue.
Witcher 3 had the same problem, they increased the text in a patch, but then released the standalone Gwent game with micro text size all over again.
I think the problem is they develop and test the games on desks with monitors or tvs pretty close to they noses, so the text sizes look ok, but anyone playing the game in a living room where you are more far from the TV, will have a hard time readind the text if its too small.
Text size options should be something that came by default in ALL games.
I think the problem is they develop and test the games on desks with monitors or tvs pretty close to they noses, so the text sizes look ok, but anyone playing the game in a living room where you are more far from the TV, will have a hard time readind the text if its too small.
Text size options should be something that came by default in ALL games.
Games should definitely add a text / UI scale customization options.
General knowledge of graphic design typography hierarchy would help.
General knowledge of graphic design typography hierarchy would help.
Agreed. Or at least make font size increase an option in the settings. Once I Can't read the damn instructions in your game the tutorials are useless.
this has gotten real bad the last couple of years or so, I imagine it's due to the increase in 4k adoption, but it's gotten so bad that I just have to imagine every play tester is sitting at a desk with a computer monitor and it's a non issue that isn't even brought up.
There has been no update. This game is beyond amazing, but it has such glaring issues regarding audio track volume and text size that make it look like a rushed job.
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Stuff like this makes me mad...
^ Yes, there is text here ^
Wait, are these real?There has been no update. This game is beyond amazing, but it has such glaring issues regarding audio track volume and text size that make it look like a rushed job.
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Tell you what, buy me a bigger home with a bigger living room, and then I will buy a larger TV to fix this problem that really shouldn't exist to begin with.
Deal?
RDR2 is the worst I've ever seen at anything above 1080p. Legitimately unreadable on my TV from where I sit (which is not far). It's amazing how much more playable the game is when I set the HUD resolution to 1080p
Same thing with Breakpoint. I put the text large so I can see them (I have a shitty 39" rca led hdtv)
I'm a little baffled by the mocking responses... Speaking as someone with low vision, it's not a whim. It would be great to have configurable options so that everyone can pick what's comfortable for them. Nothing beats being able to make things more comfortable for you as much as possible. Just making things bigger isn't automatically bad, but only presents one option for accessibility at the end of the day.
I loved the era of the previous cross gen games where developers didn't adjust font size when jumping to HD. Classic.
I'm convinced everyone saying font sizes aren't a problem are playing on a tiny-ass monitor right in front of their faces.
I've given up reading game text on my 65" TV sitting about 12 feet away. Every movie has perfectly readable subtitles but for whatever damn reason developers still put paragraphs of tiny font for subtitles.
I've given up reading game text on my 65" TV sitting about 12 feet away. Every movie has perfectly readable subtitles but for whatever damn reason developers still put paragraphs of tiny font for subtitles.
Outer Worlds patched their game to increase text size but it's still fucking tiny. How do so many devs fail at this?
With Game Streaming becoming a bigger deal I'm sure text enlargement options will be much more widely implemented. Playing Xbox Game Streaming alot on my phone recently and text size has been an issue. My phone is also 6.2" 19x9. So a bigger display than a Switch Lite.
None of the tiny text posts itt aren't funny. You guys are laughing at an honest to good medical condition. There are people who, even with glasses, struggle to read.
Fully agree with op. However, It's actually pretty tough to retro fit scaling text of you don't plan for it from the very start, so devs should put in the leg work at the beginning. Text rendering is actually, surprisingly, still a complex thing.
Fully agree with op. However, It's actually pretty tough to retro fit scaling text of you don't plan for it from the very start, so devs should put in the leg work at the beginning. Text rendering is actually, surprisingly, still a complex thing.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, OP. Not everyone is sitting inches away from a monitor. Developers really need to keep in mind that video games are played on TVs where we sit at least 3 feet away and can't read the text.
I thought it would get better after it happened in the Xbox 360-era with Dead Rising and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts but the problem has gotten much bigger than it should have.
I thought it would get better after it happened in the Xbox 360-era with Dead Rising and Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts but the problem has gotten much bigger than it should have.
Do some of you have a hidden quota for how many threads you have to make a week?
Anyhoo, I agree. I have pretty bad vision as it is, but luckily I don't run into this problem very often, but maybe I'm just not playing the same games. The Outer Worlds is probably the game I've had the biggest problem with recently.
Anyhoo, I agree. I have pretty bad vision as it is, but luckily I don't run into this problem very often, but maybe I'm just not playing the same games. The Outer Worlds is probably the game I've had the biggest problem with recently.
But with the way GUI elements are placed on the screen it tends to break things when text gets to be too big. To keep GUI elements nice and tight, a fixed text size is best. Maybe companies with a ton of people to do specific GUI engineering can do things like flexible sizing without breaking the look of the game, but for small guys like me, that's a lot of time that could be spent on other parts of the game.
I understand people want larger text on the screen, but making flexible windows that can accommodate bigger (or smaller) sizes of all text elements it kinda tough to do.
The only explanation is devs and testers play in chairs next to the screen so they simply don't notice. All these games have fonts that would be fine if I were playing at a desk, but are unreadable from the couch.
I think you got it backwards. They're not laughing at any medical condition, they're highlighting the issue because they're incredibly hard for anyone to read. The big text posts, on the other hand, are just a mockery of the request.
The outer worlds is making me go blind. Not just because of the size, but the color too! And I had lasik like three months ago haha
I would say that S l i d e r or global subtitle setting doesn't solve the problem when Dev put 3 lines together at once on subtitles.
I've been playing mostly on PC this year, but most recently had this issue with Death Stranding. I don't even sit that far back from my 55" 4K TV, but the text is barely readable at some points, super annoying. I skip reading the emails you get in-game due to this. But they're patching it this month, so there's that I guess.
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Yeah, but I think this comes down to what Krejlooc is saying, large text size is something that needs to be accounted for and planned around from the start of development. I guess in a situation like yours, you can only do the best within the confines of the GUI. Hopefully the largest text size you can allow is large enough.
My posts in this thread are like 26 font size, I'm not making fun of the request :(
I play primarily on a similarly sized TV from about that far away, but haven't played TOW. I usually wear contacts/glasses, but it's crazy that the text was that small to begin with, even on a big screen which seems to mitigate the issue in most games.
Pretty much majority of testing happens on computer monitors. QA folks are crammed into cubicles to test games. Devs are also using monitors. This is how text size usually goes unnoticed till release. I have a 55" tv that sits about 10 ft away from the couch. I have the hardest time reading text in some games.