Uhm, if the new system is delayed, I really hope they up the specs when they finally release. Otherwise we'll get even more dated hardware than we're used to from Nintendo
They will supply a lot more this year than they did in the year before COVID.
COVID has affected every aspect of shipping but what is inside the box isn't going change that.
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So greymon55 mentioned there's not much difference between the Lovelace architecture and the Ampere architecture.
kopite7kimi also mentioned that the Lovelace architecture is roughly similar to the Ampere architecture more than half a year ago.
kopite7kimi also mentioned that the Lovelace architecture is roughly similar to the Ampere architecture more than half a year ago.
Feels like a Maxwell to Pascal upgrade and the x1 was a near Pascal maxwell design.
I wonder if Dane will in similarly
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I imagine like with Orin, Dane will use the Ampere architecture as the base, but add features from the Lovelace architecture. Similar to how the Tegra X1 (and probably the Tegra X2) use the Maxwell architecture as the base, but added features from the Pascal architecture.
Got a feeling we're not seeing a more powerful Switch until like 2024 now. Just have the feeling that 2022 and 2023 will be stacked and Nintendo will be looking to sell a ton of software to that install base.
It does beg the question if the 'Dane' chip will even be used if we're still over 2 years from launch. By then Nintendo might want something better and audience expectations in terms of power might be different as well.
It does beg the question if the 'Dane' chip will even be used if we're still over 2 years from launch. By then Nintendo might want something better and audience expectations in terms of power might be different as well.
I know this thread isn't exactly used a lot anymore since it switched sites but I thought this was pretty interesting nonetheless (I also don't feel like making another account).
It seems like Nintendo Switch Sports might be the first Switch game to support AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution. Maybe future first-party Switch games will start to use it more (hopefully XC3?).
It seems like Nintendo Switch Sports might be the first Switch game to support AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution. Maybe future first-party Switch games will start to use it more (hopefully XC3?).
Life Is Strange True Colors used FSR on Switch first actually.
But Nintendo Switch Sports is the first Nintendo First Party title to use it (Seemingly, will have to wait on Digital Foundry to confirm)
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Here's some interesting tidbits from the Q&A session for Nvidia's Q4 2021 earnings report courtesy of TheStreet.
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NVIDIA Ada AD102-107, Hopper GH100/202, Blackwell GB100/102 GPU confirmed? - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA Ada, Hopper, and Blackwell GPUs Following the rumor that NVIDIA future data-center GPU architecture name is Blackwell, we received more pictures supposedly mentioning those and other unreleased NVIDIA GPUs. The pictures that we received mention Ada, Hopper, and Blackwell GPU architecture...
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So the source code for DLSS has leaked. And TechPowerUp's provided picture show files named "nvn_dlss_backend.h", "nvndlss.cpp", and "nvn_dlss.cpp", which is very interesting.
Wow, thanks for telling us. Anymore information we can get out of that besides its existence?
DLSS also references NVN and NVN2, which are the graphics api used for the Switch
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Keep in mind kopite7kimi very recently stopped using Dane as the SoC name in favour of T239.
Yeah, I was going to comment on how "Drake" is being used in those leaks instead of "Dane."
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Was nvn2 something previously known or is it completely new with this leak ?
Forgive me if I missed this in the past, but what should be realistically expect from a Switch with this chip?
With the architecture suggested in the leak?
Basically Ps4 pro power docked…before DLSS is even utilized. At its theoretical max.
Depending on what type of RT cores they use and how many, conceivably better ray tracing than either the Series S or ps5
How Nintendo plays with clocks and power in portable and docked mode and how they utilize DLSS is what we don't know.
But it's safe to say now to expect ~ps4 pro type / performance graphics IQ when docked + better effects like ray tracing and HDR
From this I take it that Switch 2 vs PS5/XS would be an even better situation than Nintendo has with Switch vs PS4/X1 in terms of what titles would be possible to receive ports.
Well, it's a mid gen upgrade, not a successor.
Also, power has nothing to do with what kind of 3rd party support a Nintendo console does/doesn't get. The decision to port (or not) is based on how much publishers want to gamble in spending time/resources in making a port of their game for a userbase where it most likely wouldn't sell well enough to bother.
Even if the 2017 Switch launched with exactly the Xbox one power, you would have seen basically the same effort in 3rd party support. If gamers prefer to play COD and FIFA on their pc/Xbox/ps…no amount of Nintendo power is going to affect that reality.
That's partially true, because
1. Stronger hardware means less effort and less compromises to do a decent port
2. People are more likely to buy a port that's not much worse than the other versions
1. Still, effort is effort. Publishers have been burned too many times trying to bring major multiplats to Nintendo machines and suffering little return for the effort. While you get rare occasions of, say, porting Witcher 3 to Nintendo (a good example how low power and supposed compromises isn't what prevents Switch porting) you have most major publishers dismissing the thought, or when they do attempt, it's a low effort port because they already know it's not worth too much investment.
The Wii U was slightly more powerful than the ps360. It technically should have gotten every multiplat from 2012-2015. (They we're mostly all cross gen). It didn't. It missed around 90% of them I believe.
2. The only X factor the Switch has over past Nintendo consoles is the allure of portability. You are right…the main market for major 3rd party multiplat gaming specifically have bought pc's and Xboxes and PlayStations specifically for that.
Which is why Nintendo consoles are historically the worst market for ports of major multiplats. Nintendo is primarily a 1st party gaming machine.
The draw of playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on a 7" screen with reduced graphics and performance isn't as appealing as enthusiasts here think it is. The number of people buying a Steam Deck to play major 3rd party multiplats on the go isn't as big as one would think reading this forum.
People, in general, choose to play major 3rd party multiplats everywhere else other than Nintendo machines. And publishers who have to make decisions in which platforms to support or not, know this.
We have no idea of that. No credible leak says that. This is just a supposition.
This is mostly a self fulfilling prophecies. And many third parties have gone on record on that their switch games were successful.
Yup we are entering the sixth year now. It's more likely we are getting a successor than an upgrade.
How do we know Nintendo considers it a midgen refresh (honest question)?
Of course most/all titles could have received Switch ports. I'm not disagreeing that a more powerful Switch would have garnered more 3rd Party Support as it wouldn't have changed anything.
Some developers aren't willing to put in the effort required to get titles running at an acceptable level. The smaller the gap and easier it is to port removes another barrier while also ensuring it's a quality port.
we don't. it's all a matter of how they want to advertise it, now what specs the device has
What clocks do you reckon? Assuming something conservative + the additional Nintendo conservative tax
1GHz to 1.2GHz is my guess. the A78 is already like 3x the A57, so having 7 for games on 8nm isn't gonna break the power budget I think.
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Where do we think the CPU will shake out in relation to the XSS?
worse, but not by much in per-core performance. largely due to clock speeds
here's the PS5 cpu (I know it's not the Series S, but this we can bench)
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Benchmark results for a Default string Default string with an AMD 4700S Desktop Kit processor.
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and here's an A78
Unreleased MediaTek MT6893 zeroes in on the Snapdragon 865 in Geekbench 5 score
Rising Taiwanese semiconductor maker MediaTek looks like it wants a bigger slice of the high-end mobile devices segment. The company’s recent Dimensity 1000 series signalled its intentions and now the purported appearance of a new MT6893 SoC on Geekbench 5 suggests it is closing in on Qualcomm’s...
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That's what I thought, but wasn't sure if anything leaked that pointed to how Nintendo viewed it. If there are exclusive titles it would seem to me that it's a next gen system with backwards compatibility more than a midgen refresh. I know the n3DS had some exclusives, but they were few and far between and overall it didn't feel like a next generation jump.
according to NateDrake, there are exclusives. and probably more down the line thanks to the Series S. I think Nintendo is just picking up what Nvidia is putting out and will sort out the advertising later.
Nice, that sounds great. I'm still so impressed at what was achieved on effectively 3 Nexus 6P cores clocked at 1ghz; 7 cores sounds like a major leap
We do know devkits went out in 2020. We do know this Nvidia leak shows drivers showing this development is quite far along. We do know that multiple studios are making games geared toward this new model for 2022/2023 releases. We do know that as of last month, Nintendo is still calling Switch at the midpoint of its lifecycle, that they see actual growth this FY rather than the usual decline of a console in its sixth year, and that the Switch will have an unconventionally long lifecycle.
Saying Nintendo is going to treat this 2022 4K Switch as a successor has no basis in reality, imo. Nothing suggests this is a model 2-3 years away. Nothing suggests Nintendo is ready to tell people to move on from the current models to this new thing.
It may be self fulfilling for a lot. But it doesn't matter, I'm just saying the idea from publishers that the ports of their big multiplat games won't do well enough on Nintendo machines to bother with the effort…is an actual pervasive thing.
And a big publisher claiming "success" publicly for an odd Nintendo effort doesn't tell me anything tbh. Unless they tout actual sales numbers showing "success". Which is what most publishers do when they are proud of actual success
worse, but not by much in per-core performance. largely due to clock speeds
here's the PS5 cpu (I know it's not the Series S, but this we can bench)
Default string Default string - Geekbench Browser
Benchmark results for a Default string Default string with an AMD 4700S Desktop Kit processor.browser.geekbench.com
and here's an A78
Unreleased MediaTek MT6893 zeroes in on the Snapdragon 865 in Geekbench 5 score
Rising Taiwanese semiconductor maker MediaTek looks like it wants a bigger slice of the high-end mobile devices segment. The company’s recent Dimensity 1000 series signalled its intentions and now the purported appearance of a new MT6893 SoC on Geekbench 5 suggests it is closing in on Qualcomm’s...
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That would be "more likely" if….
Nintendo didn't just say they see future growth for the switch, that they see growth for its 6th year where consoles usually see decline. Didn't just say they except the Switch to exceed what we expect from a conventional console lifecycle.
They are talking all the time and it's ALL about growth and lifespan lengthening. None of it is about "looking forward or beyond" which is what you usually get 3-5 years in a console.
Nothing about their words or behavior suggests anything other than buckling in for long lasting ecosystem full of a family of iterative Switch devices.
Heck, people see Mario Kart 8 DLC as proof that a successor is coming out in 2024/2025. I say it's proof that Nintendo expects to keep this current ecosystem going for another ~4 years or so. Mario Kart 8 continues to become an attractive prospect for those who jump in and buy a new 4K Switch in 2022-2024.
Not one single word from them of "new hardware" or definitive "what's next" is coming.
4 years into the Wii they told investors they were working on new next gen hardware to be next after the Wii. 3 years into the Wii U Nintendo announced next gen console hardware (NX)
Not only have we not heard anything like that, we have consistent doubling down on growth and lifespan lengthening of the current system.
This new model is being released with little fanfare or Nintendo preparation for the public. This new model is being revealed with Nintendo saying they have no plans for any new hardware soon. Like they did with new 3ds hardware.
