PUBG on Xbone is still in early access so it's not the same version of the game and even if it was it would be up the developer.
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Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP
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PUBG on Xbone is still in early access so it's not the same version of the game and even if it was it would be up the developer.
This is exactly what more gaming journalists should be doing. Great effort from Tom Warren.
This isn't a console war thread, although you seem confident in making it one with your comments.
Exact details of policies? We know Epic and MS are fine with Crossplay. Minecraft and Rocket League already have crossplay with X1, PC and NS. The elephant in the room? Sony. Its been made abundantly clear that the only limitation here is Sony. Fortnite and Rocket League devs have made it obvious to us.
That just absolutely isn't the case, but whatever fits in your narrative then sure.
If you have to reach back into last gen when Gold and PS+ were very different beasts... Come on. First of all one was free the other was not, and expectations are wildly different from then to now as technology has evolved. We used to think that there was a technical limitation, when the matter of the fact is all that needs to be done is for the devs to flick a switch and it instantly works. No money or time required from anyone. It is that simple.
It is not falling on deaf ears, its just a lame argument to make.
Both companies have first, second and third party exclusives. There is no fucking difference.
There you go. I have changed the past! Amazing!
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We've seen the comment from the Final Fantasy devs about wanting it and MS saying no but iirc Sony gave no comment? Did Sony actually go on the record and say they wanted cross-play with Xbox 360?
pray tell to all of us who arent your avid followers what are you talking about?
I don't think anyone on the Xbox side of this issue regrets buying their Xbox. As a PS4 and Switch owner I find it pretty awesome how Rocket League handles crossplay on Switch and it's staggeringly ridiculous anyone as a gamer would not want more of this and the lengths some posters are going to defend Sony is embarrassing.
do you seriously think Sony is going to lose marketshare over this
PS4 sales arent going to slow down one bit because you can play your games with your xbox/switch friends
i cant even
I can respect when the developer is the one that decides not to mix PC and console player base. It can be something like not wanting to mix mouse and keyboard players with controller players, it might be that it is planned down the line. Microsoft has repeated several times that they are all in for crossplay, so I don't think you're saying that they are the ones that are stopping it from happening.
We've been over this. The two games don't have parity (one is in beta, the other in 1.0). The creator of the game has talked about wanting cross play when they they do.
I think people will be fine with it.
Cross play works best when the game is built around it like a MMORPG. You don't use PSN, XBOX, or Steam names but "World of Fantasia" names for example. Then all the friend lists, invites, and communication is done in the game and not the consoles/PC storefront service. In Street Fighter V I knew a friend had the game on PS4 but I didn't bother trying to invite him because I was on PC and I couldn't tell if he was in the game or not. Well I did try one time, but I wasn't sure that was the correct person. SFV use a Capcom Fighting Network name, his PSN is a name of a popular Capcom character, soooo yeah. I could have just messaged him but with the gap and since I haven't been on PSN for a long time I just didn't bother using the PS4 or phone app to communicate. Anyway, The person played like it was their first fighting game and I just gave up after that, no PSN to easily communicate (old FFXI buddy not real life friend). When I was on PS3 with free PSN I played him in fighting games until 3 am constantly. This gen with me on PC and SF5 cross play, not one match. My most played game was Playstation Allstars last gen because of this rivalry for crying out loud.
As a PC player, I'm super happy SFV has cross play as it makes the game not dead on PC I'm sure. I rarely cross other PC players.
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There's a warning in the OP about thread whining.
Well, I mean I'm sure Sony could publicly comment on this and put the whole issue to bed with their perfectly legitimate reason for why they have this stance. But the one time they offered a public reason in recent times with regard to Minecraft they went with some nonsense about needing to look out for the safety of children. So the ball is in their court.
As for last gen, I think the main thing is just was there any real pushback against their refusal? The thing going against them is that I honestly feel like a lot of these tools were sort of immature. It was almost a theoretical idea as to whether or not this was doable. That's not to say that MS should get a pass for any of the anti-consumer stuff that they have done or are continuing to do. But it's bizarre to deflect that because apparently we as gamers failed to take them to task 10 years ago for the shenanigans they did on the 360, the ship has sailed on this. Further, maybe their stance would have gotten more criticism if someone high up at Sony was making noise about it like Spencer is now. I don't really get the narrative that people are just out to get poor Sony here.
When I say what sony had to gain... I'm also talking as a mostly PS4 user. And cross-play could end being worse for a PS4 user in my opinion.
Yes. you can play against a friend that doesn't own a PS4 but owns an XBO... but isn't what platform your friends are playing with one of the deciding factors to choose what console to purchase? The more friends you got playing on PS4 more chances you have ending with a PS4 too and more chances other friends will add up to that list... that means PS4 userbase growing and making the PS4 the one third parties will aim at (with full exclusivity or releasing first on) 'cause is more profitable aiming at the biggest userbase and play safe.
Why as a consumer would I lower that gap between PS4 and XBO and make the obvious choice for developers not obvious anymore?
I want all the games to relase on my platform of choice and so I want Sony to have the bigger userbase and that's why I also own an XBO and a Switch for their first party IPs and exclusivities.
Tbh in my opinion anyone that is only able to get one console per gen should go with the one with biggest userbase or go PC instead
Yes. you can play against a friend that doesn't own a PS4 but owns an XBO... but isn't what platform your friends are playing with one of the deciding factors to choose what console to purchase? The more friends you got playing on PS4 more chances you have ending with a PS4 too and more chances other friends will add up to that list... that means PS4 userbase growing and making the PS4 the one third parties will aim at (with full exclusivity or releasing first on) 'cause is more profitable aiming at the biggest userbase and play safe.
Why as a consumer would I lower that gap between PS4 and XBO and make the obvious choice for developers not obvious anymore?
I want all the games to relase on my platform of choice and so I want Sony to have the bigger userbase and that's why I also own an XBO and a Switch for their first party IPs and exclusivities.
Tbh in my opinion anyone that is only able to get one console per gen should go with the one with biggest userbase or go PC instead
I know so many people buy PS4 to play with their friends. I've witnessed this personally.
Even when I listen to podcasts, podcasters jus today but system where your friends are. Exclusives have become less and less important as it's the multiplatform games that sell the most.
People who are outraged at Sony for not allowing one of the Sony's main selling points are quite ridiculous. It's not even like they took the feature away and original advertised PS4 will connect to Xbox players.
People are free to want this feature, but to be outraged and not understand why Sony don't play ball is rather pathetic. But carry on : ).
And me pointing this out and like to discuss everything thing as this is a gaming forum doesn't mean I'm a Sony defender. I wouldn't be against a Twitter campaign, or a sign vote etc for Sony to do it. But people need to understand this is a discussion gaming forum, and not let's all riot and talk about wanting Pro consumer stuff and fuck these evil corporations
Even when I listen to podcasts, podcasters jus today but system where your friends are. Exclusives have become less and less important as it's the multiplatform games that sell the most.
People who are outraged at Sony for not allowing one of the Sony's main selling points are quite ridiculous. It's not even like they took the feature away and original advertised PS4 will connect to Xbox players.
People are free to want this feature, but to be outraged and not understand why Sony don't play ball is rather pathetic. But carry on : ).
And me pointing this out and like to discuss everything thing as this is a gaming forum doesn't mean I'm a Sony defender. I wouldn't be against a Twitter campaign, or a sign vote etc for Sony to do it. But people need to understand this is a discussion gaming forum, and not let's all riot and talk about wanting Pro consumer stuff and fuck these evil corporations
And again ...show me a single PR from last gen when we have Sony E. CEO asking Ms for Crossplay....and show me, if the fault was just Ms one, where Nintendo PC and PlayStation played happily together.
I'll tell you a news ....Sony didn't wanted Crossplay last gen at the same as this one they being forced by a dev (exactly for ff14) to crossplay to have the game on their console. We probably having more Crossplay games this last year between nintendo Xbox and PC than the famous last gen who Sony defence force continue to call in
And btw wtf mean Ms bought their exclusives? ..Sony bought their most famous studio.. naughty dog...to have their game exclusively if this is what you mean ..so?
Huh? I mean I guess it's your opinion but I personally don't agree. I have all 3 systems but Xbox is my main for multiplayer because it's where most of my friends are and I just enjoy the Xbox ecosystem more.
Wow. Just wow.
Im at a loss for words at this point. you might as well just change your profile photo to Sonys logo.
I don't agree out of personal experience. I used to play a lot of Virtua Fighter 5 online, unfortunately the player base got really low. I bought the game twice for PS3 and Xbox 360 and one of the advantages of this is that it was easier to find someone to play online. How can someone have problems to understand this has me dumbfounded. Crossplay with Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo will happen at some point. After that we should push for unified friends list, chat and text messages to about what you're describing.
So you want that Ms show legitimately their muscle on windows pc because is their platform right?
Wasn't Sony the first to push cross-play between consoles and PC? FF11? IIRC, they wanted MS to jump on board and MS refused. You're right that we failed ten years ago that led to this conclusion that we're fighting for now.
"In 2010, Rahul Sood, the president of Voodoo PC, stated that Microsoft had terminated cross-platform play between Xbox 360 and PC players for an upcoming game claiming that even skilled console players "got destroyed every time" in matches against PC players of mediocre skill due to the difference between controller and keyboard-and-mouse controls, and thus would be seen as an embarrassment to the Xbox 360"
It's absolutely true that PC gamers destroy console gamers in FPS games, but it wouldn't make a notable difference in MMorpgs?
This is quite a ridiculous post.
If you check my post history you would see I'm against the outrage people are giving Sony.
But this post is just something else.
Competition is good for PS4 owners. To not even get that is what surprises me.
Imagine if a company advertised Have it Your Way™ but didn't allow you to choose the toppings on your burger, or if an ad campagin for a new drink with A Flavor People Crave™, but a common reaction was that it tasted poorly. It's a reasonable to point out the cultivated brand identity being at odds with a events in the news. It's not a "gotcha," but it's worth observing.
I don't care about MS and the XBO at this point tbh since I feel they dropped the exclusivity ball and ar waiting for the next gen.
Right. But when people bring up these examples of MS committing this same folly, it's not clear that any of the big players at the time were raising hell about it. I mean, it could be that a lot of people here are giant hypocrites that are just out to hate on Sony and defend everything MS does. Or it could just be that there wasn't enough of a push back then to really get this into the mainstream consciousness.
I'm pretty sure I've posted it in this thread already, but I'll say it again. The two versions of the game have already diverged as far as balance goes, so I don't even know how crossplay would work with PUBG. Vehicles have different health and take damage differently than on PC because it's harder for console players to track vehicles and hit shots.
I've experienced many dead online communities on PC (usually console ports that PC gamers didn't stick with, not popular PC games), I see how cross play can help. Paragon benefited greatly from cross play, and a cross play that wasn't invite activated but a combined pool. When I said people would be fine, I'm talking PS4 people would be fine and Switch/Xbox/etc. people would be fine. As long as there's some people to play with things will be peachy.
In Dragon Age Inquisition they had weekly community challenges, you could see the goals of each platform's challenge on their forums. PS4 always had double the requirement and met them. PC and Xbox seemed to struggle, PC especially. I would have loved to join that PS4 party, but going to xbox for cross play would have helped too, but I feel like xbox DAI died down and it would have been best for me to just join PS4 as usual for cross play (selfish). With Switch, Xbox, and PC maybe things would last longer. So PC/Switch/Xbox would be fine, PS4 would be fine.
Kind of like how there isn't a big enough push now.
What you have described is a pathetic as fuck excuse for value proposition, and is the literal definition of anti-consumer.
Absolutely, unequivocally, and with zero qualification FUCK the idea that holding crossplay hostage to force consumers to buy into a certain platform ecosystem is in any way excusable. Apologizing for such makes one's priorities clear (i.e. Console Wars are more important than fair and well-considered platforms).
Reminds me of Overwatch PC vs Overwatch console design changes. Turret guy has different properties on console than PC. If PC turret guy was in console he'd be too strong due to the aiming. In PC turret is easy to aim at and kill fast due to the better aiming. If only PS4 games allowed people to use that gyro fine aiming assist, but this is a topic for another day... Viva la Steam Controller API! (All consoles should have that feature. PS4 controller rocks on Steam thanks to it, gyro aiming, custom.. .ok I'll stop).
Wow... just wow. Not sure what is happening in this thread now. Seems like a lot of people are experiencing some kind of Catharsis. It is surreal.
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This is a really bizarre comment to make given what the thread is about. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm the first person to acknowledge that internet outrage bubbles aren't necessarily indicative of what the public at large cares about. Point taken. I assure you that this isn't something I've overlooked. But we're having this discussion because of the awareness being raised about the ongoing discussion as it relates to the massively popular title Fortnite and the fact that the other stakeholders here have pointed the finger at Sony publicly as being the party standing in the way. This is how you build momentum to make such a push.
Now again, don't mistake this as me deluding myself into thinking that an 1800+ forum thread is all the evidence you need that this is a giant deal. But I'm just saying there is clearly movement on this front or else we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
And you can understand why Sony think they don't benefit from cross play. They have the bigger userbase and it's a selling point for PS4. In a age where exclusives are not as important as multiplatform games. I remember when the generation started journos, podcasters etc used to say by the system where your friends are. This is by far a selling point and anyone doubting it is quite silly. Yes people are allowed to be dissapointed Sony don't allow cross play, but to be outraged at Sony when Sony didn't promise it before they sold you are PS4, or haven't removed the feature as it wasn't there to begin with, is quite ridiculous. Trying to force a company to remove their best selling point.
Ok I give
Fuck Sony
Fuck them let's go to war
Also fuck WhatsApp, Skype, Facebook fuck them all. We should have cross everything. Fuck these devil companies using userbase as a key selling point.
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It's not thread whining at all, when the same thread is literally made every week by usual suspects.
But...
Whatsapp users on Android can communicate with whatsapp users on Windows Phone (all seven of them)
Someone on can log onto facebook using Chrome on their Windows PC and chat with someone using facebook on their Mac.
Someone can use their Xbox One to Skype with someone on their phone.
They all have the equivalent of cross-play.
You know, I think Microsoft may have messed up a little with their games anywhere initiative. It may have convinced so many people to get a PC instead of Xbox, or stick with PC instead of going Xbox, then they realize they don't like the Microsoft Store and just stick with the other ways to get games on PC. I've always wanted to try Forza, so when Forza Horizon 3 was announced for PC too I was pretty excited. I have yet to play the game, I doubt I will, though I haven't played GT Sport as well (seemed too focused on online, and I am not getting PSN +, I put my foot down on that.. people still don't like puns? ok).
The longer the life of an online game that I play, the better. With crossplay you can extend that life longer. I don't know how else to put it.
No, I was replying after reading the guy that quoted me. I was thinking about player pools, and the issue Microsoft is having with wanting to fill it's multiplayer games. I think they may have limited their growth with the xbox anywhere thing causing people to reconsider buying a xbox. So now cross play is important for them, and they can and will get it with PC, Mobile, and Switch.
I asked this in another thread, or this one. It's probably 2 or 3. Two at the least (Minecraft, and Rocket League).
I think Microsoft should help Switch get third party games that are multiplayer, and work to get those games to have the cross play.
Rocket League and Minecraft (not sure if the update is on Switch yet)
Edit: actually list is bigger than I thought
- Rocket League (Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, Steam, Mac, Linux)
- Chess Ultra (Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, Steam)
- Mantis Burn Racing (Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, Steam)
- Pinball FX 3 (Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, Windows 10, Steam)
- Minecraft (Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, Windows 10, Android, iOS, Windows 10 Mobile, Apple TV, Fire OS, FireTV, Gear VR)
- Crazy Justice (Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, Steam)
- Gunscape
I think 2 games. Rocket League and Minecraft.
EDIT: Oh wow, looks like there are more.
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I made an edit. Looks like a few indie games support it as well.
Because they are completely different builds! The device already said he's interested in crossplay when the versions are up to speed.
Furthermore, first party MP MS games all have crossplay to some extent.