We can all agree it is a good business decision but a bad decision for the players right? So lets all hope it will change.
No he doesnt, consumers and devs are chosing PS this gen for a reason. Its not Sony's fault that MS lacks the userbase and are begging Sony for some help.
You cant just accept a competitor to tap in to your userbase just because somehow you forgot how business works.
And you cant be mad at the rest of us and calling us shills etc because we dont have the same opinion as you (not talking about you spec)
You could say the samething about how people are invested MS. It goes both ways.
If you and others find it shitty its ok, but the arguments used so far is not convincing me or the rest of us that we are wrong in this.
Coz if are against Ms everything is fine and we have all to scream loud ...if is Sony instead.....Isn't that an argument for any consumer complaint? If you don't like it, buy something else.
Why have meltdowns over lootboxes, DRM etc...just let the market decide and stop moaning about it?
I tried to explain this to him multiple timesConsumers and devs have been choosing Windows since forever also, and it's not Ma's fault other desktop platforms lack the userbase. The arguments made for Sony as a market leader can be applied to the leader of the vast majority of markets, including MS in the desktop realm.
You can not care about crossplay, but his comparison is sound. It also would be if he had used Google in the mobile OS market.
Fortnite is the most played game on Xbox Live though, so I'm not really sure wat you're seeing? It has a massive player base on Xbox, it doesn't *need* cross platform play. Players *want* it though because it's only good for players. It literally has no downside for players.Well considering that MS secured PUBG and Fortnite has a huge player base on PS4, I can see why MS would want this.
Fine. Sony is Evil.
Don't play any Sony titles and sell your playstation4.
I just want to play God of Wars and Detroit ASAP. I don't care about why Microsoft focus on this every months. Maybe it's just because Microsoft has nothing to announce of its exclusives so that it has to put rubbish on Sony again to make its topic on the first page of this forum.
lol.
But its not even remotely like that, did you look at the tweet?? Phil Spencer replied to the question he was asked by saying yes, he would like crossplay. He did not butt in to a different tweet not involving him saying 'weeell we want it too!'. He's answering a fans question, that is all. In fact its the Fortnite devs that butt in with the whole 'Me 3' thing. Why is the bitchiness and manipulation being pointed at Microsoft? Can Phil Spencer not answer a god damn question without people crawling down his throat?To be really honest. Even if I switched back to Xbox One as my main console with the X I have to say what Microsoft did here, again, is very, very bitchy and manipulative in my opinion (and you all fall for it like 10 year olds). Sony will have their reasons to say no, that we maybe don't understand, if its business wise or personal, who knows, but whatever it is, to sit there as the other company and just tweet out stuff like "Well, we of course would love to do it" is very devious.
It's like boyfriend and girlfriend have a little disagreement and the boyfriend just don't like to, I don't know, get a child yet, or propose to her yet for personal reasons and another interested candidate comes right from the side and, not whispers, but tell her and him right in their faces "Weeeeelllllll, I would do it". That's just f'n devious and such a cheap (business) move.
Fine. Sony is Evil.
Don't play any Sony titles and sell your playstation4.
I just want to play God of Wars and Detroit ASAP. I don't care about why Microsoft focus on this every months. Maybe it's just because Microsoft has nothing to announce of its exclusives so that it has to put rubbish on Sony again to make its topic on the first page of this forum.
lol.
There are early access games on ps4. Stop spreading lies and fud.
Its not on ps4 because of microsoft plain and simple.
So much this.It's in our (i.e. customers) best interests for gaming companies to provide all console hardware and software free to us so that it doesn't cost me anything to enjoy gaming... but that's not gonna happen is it? And nobody is complaining about this because its a perspective divorced from the reality of the business side of gaming as an industry.
Gaming companies are companies and so will pursue their own interests and the interests of their consumers as far as their consumer's interests align with their own. This is a practical reality and to ignore it is to choose to be ignorant of reality.
No-one is telling you not to want things. It's nice to want things. No-one's even telling you not to complain about something you don't like. They're merely informing you of the business realities of what you're complaining about and why you're unlikely to get exactly what you want any time soon.
At the end of the day, I just think people should be content with cross-play between PS4/Xbox, PC, Mac and mobile. With those pools, albeit separate, they still get to play and enjoy the benefits of cross-play. PS4-Xbox cross-play just isn't going to happen because Sony and MS aren't ever going to play nice together, and it's naive to think they would, imho.
Jeez, is everyone always this brittle and sensitive here?
This is why crossplay will never happen: imagine the toxic game chat that will happen between console fanboys. It would be epic levels of toxicity. It would make any online game completely unplayable.
That's why a developer like epic won't want crossplay for their game, even if they're currently pretending they do.
Saying people are "falling for" something that lines up with what they actually wanting seems needlessly insulting tbh. It gets talked about repeatedly because new news spawns new threads. So yea... each time a clear example of a game that would be crossplay across all console were it not for Sony's refusal surfaces, the discussion will again. It isn't spurred into action because Phil Spencer tweets back that they'd want it too. The discussion was already ongoing here before that tweet was made. All the tweets (along with Epic's statement) do is stomp out the already flimsy "but the patch notes" defense that some people were holding onto before.
No he doesnt, consumers and devs are chosing PS this gen for a reason. Its not Sony's fault that MS lacks the userbase and are begging Sony for some help.
You cant just accept a competitor to tap in to your userbase just because somehow you forgot how business works.
And you cant be mad at the rest of us and calling us shills etc because we dont have the same opinion as you (not talking about you spec)
You could say the samething about how people are invested MS. It goes both ways.
If you and others find it shitty its ok, but the arguments used so far is not convincing me or the rest of us that we are wrong in this.
Bluehole's CEO specifically said Sonys policies would not let them release PUBG how they want to, so you should probably give him a call and tell him he's wrong about his game.There are early access games on ps4. Stop spreading lies and fud.
Its not on ps4 because of microsoft plain and simple.
I love how no one here has one single shred of evidence that sony is to blame on this. But a few pr mouthpieces at microsoft point the finger at sony and here we go lol.
And personally I'm glad there isn't crossplay and hope it stays this way. It doesnt benefit me or sony in anyway, shape or form.
Maybe that is what Jim meant with protecting the children haha.Jeez, is everyone always this brittle and sensitive here?
This is why crossplay will never happen: imagine the toxic game chat that will happen between console fanboys. It would be epic levels of toxicity. It would make any online game completely unplayable.
That's why a developer like epic won't want crossplay for their game, even if they're currently pretending they do.
Oh come on, as if people playing Fortnite care if you are playing on a DualShock or a Xbox Elite controller. They just want to play. It is a casual game.
Jeez, is everyone always this brittle and sensitive here?
This is why crossplay will never happen: imagine the toxic game chat that will happen between console fanboys. It would be epic levels of toxicity. It would make any online game completely unplayable.
That's why a developer like epic won't want crossplay for their game, even if they're currently pretending they do.
Pretending? You really think they are pretending... that makes no sense at all.Jeez, is everyone always this brittle and sensitive here?
This is why crossplay will never happen: imagine the toxic game chat that will happen between console fanboys. It would be epic levels of toxicity. It would make any online game completely unplayable.
That's why a developer like epic won't want crossplay for their game, even if they're currently pretending they do.
Alright fine. Just riddle me this: how will the chat servers work? Will i be able to add PS4 players to my Xbox friends list? Will I be able to with them outside of Fortnite? Will I see what games they're currently playing on PS4 that are console exclusives? I just don't see how this works without breaking a lot of shit that nobody has thought about here yet.
Why are you even here if all you care about is yourself rather than the community?I love how no one here has one single shred of evidence that sony is to blame on this. But a few pr mouthpieces at microsoft point the finger at sony and here we go lol.
And personally I'm glad there isn't crossplay and hope it stays this way. It doesnt benefit me or sony in anyway, shape or form. It doesnt benefit me or sony in anyway, shape or form.
There are games labelled as Early Access on PS4, but not an official preview program. The PUBG CEO explicitly stated the difference in how QA and approvals work in and outside of an actual preview program, as opposed to simply releasing a game with the view to iterate on it (which would effectively make something like Destiny early access in everything but the label).
Like I said, there are numerous games that are available in Xbox's preview program that aren't available on other platforms until later. MS isn't running around moneyhatting them all into not releasing on PS4.
Alright fine. Just riddle me this: how will the chat servers work? Will i be able to add PS4 players to my Xbox friends list? Will I be able to with them outside of Fortnite? Will I see what games they're currently playing on PS4 that are console exclusives? I just don't see how this works without breaking a lot of shit that nobody has thought about here yet.
Alright fine. Just riddle me this: how will the chat servers work? Will i be able to add PS4 players to my Xbox friends list? Will I be able to with them outside of Fortnite? Will I see what games they're currently playing on PS4 that are console exclusives? I just don't see how this works without breaking a lot of shit that nobody has thought about here yet.
Don't start crying when MS will force uwp just because it benefit their fan base their console their Os and them as company. Just "please understand"I love how no one here has one single shred of evidence that sony is to blame on this. But a few pr mouthpieces at microsoft point the finger at sony and here we go lol.
And personally I'm glad there isn't crossplay and hope it stays this way. It doesnt benefit me or sony in anyway, shape or form.
Consumers and devs have been choosing Windows since forever also, and it's not MS's fault other desktop platforms lack the userbase. The arguments made for Sony as a market leader can be applied to the leader of the vast majority of markets, including MS in the desktop realm.
You can not care about crossplay, but his comparison is sound. It also would be if he had used Google in the mobile OS market.
I don't know I've had problems finding healthy players in any online game on ps4 yet?
There's a lot of ps4 gamers online
Crossplay isn't that ....So Apple is anti-consumer for not letting android users use the App Store? Am i getting this right?
You just admitted there's early access on ps4, destroying your own point in the process.
Again, pubg is not on ps4 because of microsoft and microsoft alone, period.
Mmm what? Are we talking about Crossplay here or Lootboxes? Can SONY add Lootboxes on Fortnite or that is EPIC's prerogative?
Ok I'll humour you; Regarding lootboxes I can tell you that if SONY thought adding them to their games would be a good business decision they would do so, and if they think that the ill-will and backlash from the community they would get is too much they won't do so.
But not only SONY, that is a debate all companies an developers are having internally at the moment. Some will not add any lootboxes, some will go the cosmetic way, some will go full out...we'll see that develop in the coming years. It will depend on what their particular business model is, and there won't be an universal solution that works for all of them. Some solutions will work for some companies, and some solutions will work for others, depending on many factors
We as customers can vote with our wallets and support the companies and developers we want. Buy the games and consoles we want. If enough players are outraged by SONY's decision regarding cross-play they will act upon it.I don't think is an issue for most PS4 players though, so I don't see SONY changing his stance during this generation
Isn't that what they call anti-consumerism? Didn't they want to extend this deal too?
You just admitted there's early access on ps4, destroying your own point in the process.
Again, pubg is not on ps4 because of microsoft and microsoft alone, period.
So Apple is anti-consumer for not letting android users use the App Store? Am i getting this right?
You just admitted there's early access on ps4, destroying your own point in the process.
Again, pubg is not on ps4 because of microsoft and microsoft alone, period.
So Apple is anti-consumer for not letting android users use the App Store? Am i getting this right?
No its not. Its on Xbox first because MS have a proper curated early access program and offered bluehole support and resources to develop a console version.
End of. There are countless games exclusive to PS4 for an amount of time in the same situation.
Dude, I just pointed out where you were console warring. How are you even arguing that you're not. Come on!Saying it over and over won't make it true. It isn't Us vs Them, so stop with the console war/Fanboy accusations towards others who don't necessarily see it your way. You bring up some decent points but it seems like all you want is an echo chamber when you so easily dismiss everything else. Most gamers don't seem to think crossplay is an issue at all, so I don't understand all the hostility.
Sadly... Im very sure that Ms is more than happy with Sony saying no.....they are correctly using this as a PR against themIn exchange Sony should ask for a Linux version of Office and DirectX 12 under a GNU license.
Would be so great for consumers.
Again early access is on ps4. This is a result of Microsofts doing and Microsofts alone.
End of.
But its not even remotely like that, did you look at the tweet?? Phil Spencer replied to the question he was asked by saying yes, he would like crossplay. He did not butt in to a different tweet not involving him saying 'weeell we want it too!'. He's answering a fans question, that is all. In fact its the Fortnite devs that butt in with the whole 'Me 3' thing. Why is the bitchiness and manipulation being pointed at Microsoft? Can Phil Spencer not answer a god damn question without people crawling down his throat?
It seems like there is PLENTY of interest in cross play. Hell, there are 20 pages currently to THIS thread. Countless more for the Rocket League thread, Minecraft thread, etc. It will get brought up EVERY TIME a game wants to offer it but Sony shuts it down. And that's a good thing. We gotta keep on Sony for their bs decision.I just don't think there is enough interest in crossplay, seems to always be people in the MS camp drumming it up more than anyone else (I've obviously seen the Fortnight account tweet). My post was not intended to be a drive-by comment.
My second point still stands, Sony have the largest playerbase, so why would they want to share that with MS? It makes no sense from a business perspective.
Isn't that what they call anti-consumerism? Didn't they want to extend this deal too?
It amazes me that so many people are against cross play between xbox, ps4, and switch. I mean it only ends up benefiting you and also the developers. If lawbreakers was out for xbox and switch wouldn't fans of that game on ps4 want cross play with those system? If you enjoy a game that has a tiny active player count this would help keep your game alive with a bigger pool of players. We know the game is dead on PC so I am assuming on ps4 there isn't a bunch of people playing it.
Currently Xbox players are not having issues finding a game for fortnite. I played it last night and it matches in seconds. There isn't a necessity for xplay on the xbox with how popular fortnite is but I can see why the developers would want it. They can keep players engaged on all different types of platforms. If I could play my same dude on PS4, Mac, iOS, and Xbox that would make me play more, buy more stuff. Also they could even create more playlist that would split their pool of players, but with a bigger pool they would have more people playing each of the different playlist guaranteeing people matching with each other.
One last thing, I see people talking about MS deal with PUBG. That game is unfinished and is in the preview program. Sony doesn't offer this program to game developers, (some how epic can do it but so far that is it). Once PUBG hits 1.0 on the xbox I am sure it will be coming out on ps4, and you better believe people will be talking about xplay again.