That's what I thought, but the article I ready about SR3 on Switch just mentioned Deep Silver as publisher. So THQ Nordic is a publisher that owns other publishers? Or do they just publish games Deep Silver doesn't publish themselves?
Deep Silver publishes a lot of Sega/Atlus titles in Europe. To my knowledge they have 0 involvement with the NA side of things.Wait, is this for NA or Europe or what? How are they involved with the Yakuza series in NA??
Actually read the OP so you can understand what the thread relates to. Then read the thread to understand why this post is entirely worthless.Why should we punish the devs when the guys from marketing messed up?
Why should we punish the devs when the guys from marketing messed up?
If you boycott games for MTX or platform exclusivity, and a publisher promoting a white supremacist terrorist pedophile message board isn't enough for you to "punish developers for the actions of a few"
Sorry but fuck you, I kinda think that makes you a really shitty person with no backbone and warped priorities over a toy. At the least, it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia.
Gamers rise up.
Deep Silver publishes a lot of Sega/Atlus titles in Europe. To my knowledge they have 0 involvement with the NA side of things.
quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?
i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
I think most of those deals are done on a game by game basis, so hard to say.quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?
i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
Most posters above me have pointed this out, but yes, it is not any consumer's responsibility to bolster a company if that company makes bad products or poor choices.
If you don't go to a restaurant because it has shitty food, no one attempts to argue "but the waiters have nothing to do with that! You're hurting the waiters!"
If you don't see a movie because the trailer had bad acting, no one attempts to argue "but the writers had nothing to do with how acting! You're hurting the writers!"
No consumer has any obligation to actively spend their money and support a product, even if by not doing so "hurts" people who weren't involved in the thing that made you not interested.
Attempting to argue this point is fucking bananas. And again, *I SAY THAT AS A DEVELOPER*.
Why should we punish the devs when the guys from marketing messed up?
The analogy is fine in that there no effective difference between reasons a person decides to not engage with a product. Low quality is a common one, of course. So is the product being too expensive. So is the product being difficult to obtain. And, of course, so is feeling a moral imperative to not support unethical businesses.The problem with that analogy is the food being bad is the product they are selling, what Nordic has done here has no impact on the games themselves (as far as we know). Much more accurate situation would be if the owner of the building that the restaurant is located in did something awful, and your decision if you should do business in that restaurant at all.
oh is Sega not in the publishing business anymore?They don't own them. Deep Silver is the publisher only on these games. Sega owns both. Atlus developed Persona 5 and YsNet, which is an independent studio owned by Yu Suzuki, is developing Shenmue 3.
I think most of those deals are done on a game by game basis, so hard to say.
If that did happen that's on THQ. Also your initial post totally downplayed the importance of who was involved in the AMA, you could at least have read some of the context provided in the op before coming in here with these bad arguments.
Do you just fork over cash for each and every game that's being released under the sky?
THQ Nordic AB is a holding company that has control over subsidiaries such as Deep Silver and THQ Nordic GmbH.That's what I thought, but the article I ready about SR3 on Switch just mentioned Deep Silver as publisher. So THQ Nordic is a publisher that owns other publishers? Or do they just publish games Deep Silver doesn't publish themselves?
I guess if that's the case I can always wait for a used physical copy of that one too assuming it gets a physical release.
So give gamestop my money? That's a saint of a company right thereTHQ Nordic AB is a holding company that has control over subsidiaries such as Deep Silver and THQ Nordic GmbH.
And yes, if you want to play a game, but don't want to give THQ (or its subsidiaries) your money, buying used is a good way to do it.
The analogy is fine in that there no effective difference between reasons a person decides to not engage with a product. Low quality is a common one, of course. So is the product being too expensive. So is the product being difficult to obtain. And, of course, so is feeling a moral imperative to not support unethical businesses.
The exact nature of the reason is irrelevant. The point is that NO MATTER THE REASON, consumers don't have to continue engaging in a product if they don't want to, regardless of pearl clutching over "uninvolved" people being "hurt".
Not doing business with a company is not punishing its employees. Thats a very juvenile position to hold. They still get their pay checks.
Because GameStop is the only way to get a game used, right?So give gamestop my money? That's a saint of a company right there
i'm sorry but this isn't ok. you don't get to say "fuck you" and call people complicit in vile stuff simply cuz they choose not to boycott thq nordic.If you boycott games for MTX or platform exclusivity, and a publisher promoting a white supremacist terrorist pedophile message board isn't enough for you to "punish developers for the actions of a few"
Sorry but fuck you, I kinda think that makes you a really shitty person with no backbone and warped priorities over a toy. At the least, it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia.
Gamers rise up.
Until the developer is forced to lay off employees or close their doors due to games not selling well.
Your original post said:I completely understand who was involved in the AMA. They fucked up. THQ Nordic is clearly ran by a bunch of dumbshits who should be out of jobs. They should be punished. Not the developers who simply have to sit and watch as their livelihoods are destroyed because of the bad decision of people they have nothing to do with.
The people involved in the AMA were a marketing director and product development director. It's not like they were some random interns. Regardless, THQ should have considered the effect this would have on their brand and their business partners before they did the AMA. Any lost sales because of this are on their backs not the people doing a boycott.I refuse to punish the hard-working developers of those titles for the mistakes of a couple fucked up idiots in their publishers PR department.
That isn't what they said though.i'm sorry but this isn't ok. you don't get to say "fuck you" and call people complicit in vile stuff simply cuz they choose not to boycott thq nordic.
yes, EU and no, it was a digital copy from the psn store. it was also in January. I do own Darksiders, Hitman and This War of Mine. maybe you can use that for some argument.Wait, are you European, and was your copy physical? Because in Europe, Capcom games are distributed by Koch Media (which belongs to THQN).
Literally nobody thinks this and your whataboutism is stupid. You don't need to join in boycotting a publisher that condones child porn but it's honestly just straight up worrying that so many people are getting so defensive about the idea.A bunch of AA and indie IP's are all part of this list.
If you guys think corporations are saints then ERA must really be in a bubble. Might as well boycott almost everything from media to your internet provider.
They already got the money long time ago whether you downloaded it or not. Least that's how I figure it.quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?
i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
They already got the money long time ago whether you downloaded it or not. Least that's how I figure it.
It should be noted that Koch media is also owned by THQ, which is the retail distributor in Europe.
They publish games under the Deep Silver and Ravenscourt labels.
I think I remember seeing that they get paid based on how many people redeem the game, so you redeeming the game would be the part where they got the money.quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?
i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
A bunch of AA and indie IP's are all part of this list.
If you guys think corporations are saints then ERA must really be in a bubble. Might as well boycott almost everything from media to your internet provider.
i'm sorry but this isn't ok. you don't get to say "fuck you" and call people complicit in vile stuff simply cuz they choose not to boycott thq nordic.
Yup. The thread is even specifically labelled for people who want to boycott them so rushing in here and getting defensive about the fact that people are choosing to boycott isn't exactly a good look.Literally nobody thinks this and your whataboutism is stupid. You don't need to join in boycotting a publisher that condones child porn but it's honestly just straight up worrying that so many people are getting so defensive about the idea.
i agree with your point, and with some people's excuses being very flimsy, but i still think it's very harsh to say that "it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia". that's all.You don't have to boycott THQ. But if your reasoning is "not wanting to hurt the developers" then y'all can fuck right off if you've boycotted any game before for literally any reason.
Because that means that either you're okay with 8chan, or that means you're obscuring your actual reasoning (probably "but I want this game") behind a flimsy faux-pro developer stance because you're too embarrassed over just wanting a game that you'll attempt to take a moral high ground over it.
You don't have to buy video games. Many people don't have a choice in ISP.
You don't have to boycott THQ. But if your reasoning is "not wanting to hurt the developers" then y'all can fuck right off if you've boycotted any game before for literally any reason.
Because that means that either you're okay with 8chan, or that means you're obscuring your actual reasoning (probably "but I want this game") behind a flimsy faux-pro developer stance because you're too embarrassed over just wanting a game that you'll attempt to take a moral high ground over it.