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Kane

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,049
This is great news, that means that IS is working on a new Paper Mario and on another project! My guess is a new IP, Advance Wars, or another FE (Echoes?) game.
 

HylianSeven

Shin Megami TC - Community Resetter
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,112
Advance Wars Switch.. if only.
Probably resting on their laurels on that one since someone else did it for them.

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Wargroove is great and really lives up to AW's legacy, but that doesn't stop me from still wanting another AW.
 

Braaier

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
13,237
I'm shocked. The game is amazing and to think IS only had 17 people working on it!

It's interesting that they say kt did the world building. It is really well thought out and a huge improvement from Fates. Going forward they should at least use kt for that aspect of the sequels
 

Cerium

The Former
Member
Oct 23, 2017
1,741
So you're telling me there's a chance people at IS are working on an FE4 remake already?
Given the obvious inspiration that Three Houses takes from Genealogy, I imagine that they would want to build on this partnership (and the existing groundwork at Koei) if they do get around to remaking FE4.

If any work has been done on a Genealogy remake at this point, it's probably only pre-production.

Would love to be wrong of course.
 

Braaier

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
13,237
Impressive, but also pretty damning for Intsys to essentially be upstaged by another developer on their own series.
Not really. IS still oversaw it and IS did the bulk of the heavy lifting with past FE games. Kt replicated that gameplay. I will certainly give kt credit for their world building. IS is lacking in this area
 

Mory Dunz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
36,433
No wonder the game is kind ugly. KT can be hit or miss performance wise.id id veen wondwring what was up for years. Fps and everything.
After 2 years it makes more sense.

Now I'm hyped for Paper Mario 2020.
My worry of maybe FE took too much of the staff or whatever isnt there lol.
So I feel confident PM is coming soon.
 

NeonZ

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
9,381
This is great news, that means that IS is working on a new Paper Mario and on another project! My guess is a new IP, Advance Wars, or another FE (Echoes?) game.

The Paper Mario team seems separate from the FE one. There was little crossover between Color Splash and FE games' credit list. So, yes, it most likely means they'd be working in something else in addition to any possible Paper Mario or Wario Ware (there's actually more shared staff between these two than FE). Either another IP or just the next FE game already.
 

Hailinel

Shamed a mod for a tag
Member
Oct 27, 2017
35,527
The entire concept of battalions and the addition of the new stats and skills like charisma and authority really do have the the feeling of a Koei Tecmo strategy game. I'm glad that Kou Shibusawa was given the freedom to innovate on the gameplay and try some new things that are outside of the franchises's comfort zone.
 

Rayne

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
So basically IS work was to direct the game, as they have several directors (even an Assitant DirCetor, whatever this means), and provided the music and the main artist. Speaking of the main artist now that I know the name, I have searched some other work and oh boy...

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It seems that Dimitri's design was taken from some BL named Captivate Prince (yep, it fits really well). This makes even more disappointing that the game has not enough gay romance options.

I believe that's based off a book. And now I realize how perfect Dedue and Dmitri fit the main characters lookwise XD
 

JoRu

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,791
That's a bit exciting, honestly. It'd be strange if the bulk of IS was working on a completely separate FE, so I assume they started making something completely different after FE: Echoes that we haven't heard of yet.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
I'm kinda hoping they aren't working on Paper Mario. I feel the series ran its course. would rather them do a new RPG series like Zelda or some shit or something else entirely
 

NHarmonic.

▲ Legend ▲
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
10,298
Gameplay is good but the presentation is really atrocious. Clipping, bad textures, the cell shaded models are rough, mouth animations are weak on the cutscenes, performance issues...

Still personally i don't care that much because it's really engaging and fun and i haven't been able to stop playing, but damn this game needed more polish...
 

Twingsy

Member
Oct 27, 2017
342
Moon
So basically IS work was to direct the game, as they have several directors (even an Assitant DirCetor, whatever this means), and provided the music and the main artist. Speaking of the main artist now that I know the name, I have searched some other work and oh boy...

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It seems that Dimitri's design was taken from some BL named Captivate Prince (yep, it fits really well). This makes even more disappointing that the game has not enough gay romance options.

Yep, she's an Otome-game/BL character designer. Always dug her designs, even if the fancy eyes sometimes strike me as odd.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
36,433
I'm kinda hoping they aren't working on Paper Mario. I feel the series ran its course. would rather them do a new RPG series like Zelda or some shit or something else entirely
With only 5 games and only 3 of them being good? Nah.
With that line of thinking a lot of Nintendo franchises could be argued to be shelfed
Hop on the PM train :)
 

Tochtli79

Member
Jun 27, 2019
5,778
Mexico City
That's pretty crazy. I thought it was the other way around. Not sure how much IS could've learned if so few of their staff participated in the development, but I'm hopeful they'll take away some valuable lessons from this game. You can tell the love that went into the development from fans of the series at KT.

I wonder if they'll be back to help with future games. I'm almost certain Genealogy remake will be next.
 

Flon

Is Here to Kill Chaos
Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,120
That's super impressive. The game is incredibly fun and I haven't enjoyed a Fire Emblem this much since Path of Radiance.

Koei Tecmo certainly like releasing games with some emphasis on time management.
 

tmdorsey

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,655
Georgia
I read an article that basically stated that Advance Wars wasn't in their future plans at this time, but damnit I need them to change their mind on that.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
With only 5 games and only 3 of them being good? Nah.
With that line of thinking a lot of Nintendo franchises could be argued to be shelfed
Hop on the PM train :)
then shelve them, I don't have a problem with that. Paper Mario just isn't that good to me, and I played 1, 2, and Color Splash. hell, I appreciate Color Splash more than a lot of people here. but Mario just doesn't facilitate what I like about RPGs. rather, the Paper gimmick is too limiting. or maybe they should be more inventive with the world design.

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something like Wild Woods. just be more than the usual grounded world design and go crazy. or move to a different IP like Zelda.
 

Dark Cloud

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
61,087
then shelve them, I don't have a problem with that. Paper Mario just isn't that good to me, and I played 1, 2, and Color Splash. hell, I appreciate Color Splash more than a lot of people here. but Mario just doesn't facilitate what I like about RPGs. rather, the Paper gimmick is too limiting. or maybe they should be more inventive with the world design.

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something like Wild Woods. just be more than the usual grounded world design and go crazy. or move to a different IP like Zelda.
That's fine, but it sure as hell hasn't run its course because it doesn't appeal to you. The series just needs to go back to its roots to appeal the fans that care about the series already.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
That's fine, but it sure as hell hasn't run its course because it doesn't appeal to you. The series just needs to go back to its roots to appeal the fans that care about the series already.
it's not that "it doesn't appeal to me" but rather IS isn't going to change the things I think has gone stale in the series. going back to an RPG system isn't gonna fix that. nor do they really need to in order to sell well.

I kinda think they see this and is why they started to transition the series into something more story focused.
 

Dreamboum

Member
Oct 28, 2017
22,882
So you're telling me that the RotK inspired houses and the world-building and the team was supplied by Kou Shibusawa's team?

What do we need IS for except counting Heroes' money? And to think people were shitting on Tecmo for doing licensed DW games and how their stories were trash
 

Symphony

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,361
Well that nicely explains why I have so little interest in Three Houses, every preview gave me a Musou vibe with the bland visuals and janky animation. Hopefully the next FE game will be back to Intelligent Systems.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
36,433
then shelve them, I don't have a problem with that. Paper Mario just isn't that good to me, and I played 1, 2, and Color Splash. hell, I appreciate Color Splash more than a lot of people here. but Mario just doesn't facilitate what I like about RPGs. rather, the Paper gimmick is too limiting. or maybe they should be more inventive with the world design.

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something like Wild Woods. just be more than the usual grounded world design and go crazy. or move to a different IP like Zelda.
DK shouldve been shelved after
Konga
Konga 2 konga 3
King of swing
Jungle beat
Barrell blast

Since DK had clearly run its course as a 2d platcormer and had no geat ideas left.

Yoshi shouldve shelved.
Metroid after other M and FF. Shelved.
Mario sports games
A lot always argue kirby is mediocre. Shelved.


Yea, I'd rather just let the guys live. :)
Pm2020
 
Oct 27, 2017
9,792
Peru
The questionable performance and graphics were definitely a big KT hint but if they truly had something to do with the story, characterization and overall gameplay direction then I must that I'm impressed. There's no doubt that this is the best Fire Emblem in years, is probably even better than Awakening (despite that the Metacritic score doesn't reflect that) and thus, I wouldn't mind if KT, especifically the Romance of the Three Kingdoms team, handle their own unique entries from now on.

(Just use a more distinctive artstyle to hide the ugly stuff next time please).
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,972
DK shouldve been shelved after
Konga
Konga 2 konga 3
King of swing
Jungle beat
Barrell blast

Since DK had clearly run its course as a 2d platcormer and had no geat ideas left.

Yoshi shouldve shelved.
Metroid after other M and FF. Shelved.
Mario sports games
A lot always argue kirby is mediocre. Shelved.


Yea, I'd rather just let the guys live. :)
Pm2020
Dude Jungle Beat is one of the best platformers ever made

The others are rough but don't you dare lump Jungle Beat with them
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
DK shouldve been shelved after
Konga
Konga 2 konga 3
King of swing
Jungle beat
Barrell blast

Since DK had clearly run its course as a 2d platcormer and had no geat ideas left.

Yoshi shouldve shelved.
Metroid after other M and FF. Shelved.
Mario sports games
A lot always argue kirby is mediocre. Shelved.


Yea, I'd rather just let the guys live. :)
Pm2020
You won't hear a peep out of me if those series died
 

kyorii

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,985
Splatlandia
Sooo Black Eagles is obviously Wei
with branch being Jin
but I can't pinpoint the other two. Blue lions of shu and Golden deer is Wu?
 

Giga Man

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
21,264
They've done a fantastic job so far. I'm constantly impressed with how much attention was given to world-building. Still, it's fun to poke fun at the jank I've seen so far.





then shelve them, I don't have a problem with that. Paper Mario just isn't that good to me, and I played 1, 2, and Color Splash. hell, I appreciate Color Splash more than a lot of people here. but Mario just doesn't facilitate what I like about RPGs. rather, the Paper gimmick is too limiting. or maybe they should be more inventive with the world design.

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something like Wild Woods. just be more than the usual grounded world design and go crazy. or move to a different IP like Zelda.
Wild Woods is my favorite Mario Kart 8 course because it's a nostalgic visualization of what I imagine an area in a Mario RPG to look like, coupled with the very fitting music. While I would love a new Paper Mario or a remake of the original, the next Mario RPG doesn't have to be Paper Mario to excite me. It just needs the witty humor, wacky characters, and deviant approach to lore and design that I loved so much about Mario RPGs of the past.
 

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Mar 18, 2018
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DK shouldve been shelved after
Konga
Konga 2 konga 3
King of swing
Jungle beat
Barrell blast

Since DK had clearly run its course as a 2d platcormer and had no geat ideas left.

Yoshi shouldve shelved.
Metroid after other M and FF. Shelved.
Mario sports games
A lot always argue kirby is mediocre. Shelved.


Yea, I'd rather just let the guys live. :)
Pm2020

DK did go on hiatus for a few years and switched developers.

Yoshi arguably should be shelved as there hasn't been a good one since the first one. Yarn/Crafted turned out ok, but would the world really be sad if we'd got original IP or something else from Good-Feel instead of them? Not really.

Metroid being "dead" after Other M was a huge disscussion. It's part of the reason reaction to FF was so bad.

Kirby games are average at times, but no one has argued the series has run its course.

Mario Sports games have been pretty cheap cash ins on the Mario name for ages and if another one never got made no one would cry too much.
 

Watershed

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,838
Aside from graphics and performance, IS and TK have done an amazing job. This game has everything I love from FE and then some. The localization is also fantastic.
 

fiendcode

Member
Oct 26, 2017
24,933
Also, this isn't that weird for FE.
Indeed. People forget the series was conceptualized as a collaboration between Nintendo R&D1 and Intelligent Systems, only with roles almost exactly reversed from where IntSys sits now with them handling design/programming while RD1 led/directed/handled audio.
 

Enduin

You look 40
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,495
New York
KT have done a very good job in all things but the visuals. They need much better art direction as well as improve things on the technical side. The game's visual presentation and design really detracts from an otherwise great game. Performance issues, low quality textures and assets, inconsistent designs/choice, etc are just too common and stand out too much.