• Light/Dark
  • Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

Feminist Frequency: Queer Tropes vs Video Games (3 New Eps) [Up: Episodes released]

Reader mode
Menome

Menome

"This guy are sick"
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,447


Remember how our award-winning video series Tropes vs. Women in Video Games provoked some *feeeeelings*? Well, we're back at it again. Join us for the live premiere of Queer Tropes. This Tuesday at 8 AM PT! Click the link and ring the bell: https://youtu.be/w-5jnTv-OMg



Queer Tropes is a new, three-part miniseries hosted by Carolyn Petit. Each episode is an exploration of a different topic; the history of queer-coding video game villains, the virulent homophobia & transphobia in games, and gaming's portrayals & handlings of queer relationships.
 
Platy

Platy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,846
Brazil
Sounds awesome !

Just sad that it appeared in my subscription page but it is still almost a week from now =/
 
RocknRola

RocknRola

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,320
Portugal
Huh, had no idea it had actually won awards. Probably should have won a damn endurance award considering how much shit they had to deal with after posting each video.

Should be an interesting topic. If women have been, in general, poorly represented in the games industry I can't imagine queer people have had it any better. It's probably worse, much worse even.
 
AztecComplex

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
Are they going to rip Link cross dressing in BotW? Is that considered bad? I loved that, I thought it was handled well!
 
Brotherhood93

Brotherhood93

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,832
Should be interesting. I don't really follow their stuff and I'm unfamiliar with Carolyn Petit but I did see Anita's Tropes vs. Women videos and they were worth a watch.
 
zashga

zashga

Losing is fun
Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,244
Neat. I recently watched Big Joel's video on Sarkeesian and her critics, which has subsequently been mass-reported and taken down by Sargon fans. It's good to see that Sarkeesian is still at it in spite of the ridiculous hate campaign that people are still waging against her.
 
Crossing Eden

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,634
RocknRola said:
Huh, had no idea it had actually won awards. Probably should have won a damn endurance award considering how much shit they had to deal with after posting each video.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I love how the capital G Gamers who were constantly harassing Anita Sarkeesian argued that gaming doesn't have a sexism problem while simultaneously responding so vitriolically to what was essentially basic feminism for video games. Did an excellent job of proving her overall points about the issues that still persist to this day btw. Thankfully devs responded to the criticisms and changed for the better.
 
Yabberwocky

Yabberwocky

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,283
Fantastic! Looking forward to it.

In the last week I had a Youtube recommend me a video about how Sarkeesian ruined Anthem. Just. What.
 
RocknRola

RocknRola

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,320
Portugal
Crossing Eden said:
I love how the capital G Gamers who were constantly harassing Anita Sarkeesian argued that gaming doesn't have a sexism problem while simultaneously responding so vitriolically to what was essentially basic feminism for video games. Did an excellent job of proving her overall points about the issues that still persist to this day btw. Thankfully devs responded to the criticisms and changed for the better.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Pretty much. It was amazingly ironic. Sad, pathetic and dumb, but also ironic.
 

Deleted member 249

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,828
AztecComplex said:
Why? Men can wear whatever they want. I mean I wouldn't be caught alive wearing that but more power to someone who does want to.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It can be rightly interpreted as transphobic. I don't know if that's the intent Nintendo had, and I won't extend the benefit of the doubt to them given their patchy history on this front, but it did not land well in the present context.
 
AztecComplex

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
Khanimus said:
No one cares what you would be "caught alive" wearing.

That segment came off as pretty transphobic, and rightly garnered criticism shortly after the game's release.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I'll wait with an open mind on their thoughts. On first glance I didn't see anything wrong but I'll honestly keep an open mind.

And that first part of yours wasn't needed. My apologies if I offended you. It wasn't my intent.
 
Platy

Platy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,846
Brazil
AztecComplex said:
Are they going to rip Link cross dressing in BotW? Is that considered bad? I loved that, I thought it was handled well!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

AztecComplex said:
Why? Men can wear whatever they want. I mean I wouldn't be caught alive wearing that but more power to someone who does want to.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

It was handled.... mixed
The restrictions of the city is pretty transphobic even if some npcs aren't ... and the quest to get the clothes rely on lots of "surprise, it is a dude" cliches that are closely related to transphobic stuff.
 
Ravio-li

Ravio-li

Member
Dec 24, 2018
952
These Videos feel like such a long time ago... surely this time everyone matured enough and this time everything will be discussed calmly and respectfully on the internet!
Oh no, this won't be the case, will it?...
 
AztecComplex

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
Platy said:
It was handled.... mixed
The restrictions of the city is pretty transphobic even if some npcs aren't ... and the quest to get the clothes rely on lots of "surprise, it is a dude" cliches that are closely related to transphobic stuff.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The restrictions are transphobic? You mean the "only women" rule? Oh geez, I guess I'll wait for the video to explain why.
 
Platy

Platy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,846
Brazil
AztecComplex said:
The restrictions are transphobic? You mean the "only women" rule? Oh geez, I guess I'll wait for the video to explain why.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

No, it is not a only women rule. It is a "looks like a cis woman" rule. The game even jokes about this with the gorons that nobody can recognize if they are woman or men.
Which is why you can't even take a single piece of clothing inside the city or they will trow you away.
 
Mirage Coordinator

Mirage Coordinator

Alt account
Banned
Feb 22, 2019
58
AztecComplex said:
Are they going to rip Link cross dressing in BotW? Is that considered bad? I loved that, I thought it was handled well!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Different people find different things offensive. Speaking as a Trans person, there are certain media that I consider extremely harmful and damaging (Rocky Horror, RPDR) that are beloved to an almost cult-like degree by the wider LGBT community. Likewise, there is media that I find extremely relatable and powerful that others would consider problematic.

But a good rule to follow is that if someone considers something offensive, you should at the very least try to hear out their reasoning with an open-mind, even if that entails criticism of something you liked.
 
AztecComplex

AztecComplex

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,371
Celine.D.Sykes said:
You wish. I don't know in what imaginary word you live, but many people care and judge, I'd even say most people do. Be a male, were a dress, take public transport and many people will look at you in a weird way.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
In all fairness I did say *I* wouldn't be caught dead wearing that but that's just me. I don't care if you or anyone else wants to. I happen to not like wearing that.
 
Khanimus

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,472
Greater Vancouver
Celine.D.Sykes said:
I already did before answering and it doesn't change anything to what you or I said ?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The poster makes an oddly defensive mention about their own wardrobe tastes, as if it is in any way relevant to the topic of how BOTW handles trans identity. I state that it was a needless inclusion. The user apologized for any misinterpretation of what they meant. Not sure what else needs explaining here.
 
TyrantGuardian

TyrantGuardian

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,293
Crossing Eden said:
I love how the capital G Gamers who were constantly harassing Anita Sarkeesian argued that gaming doesn't have a sexism problem while simultaneously responding so vitriolically to what was essentially basic feminism for video games. Did an excellent job of proving her overall points about the issues that still persist to this day btw. Thankfully devs responded to the criticisms and changed for the better.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Didn't you know that feminists were the real sexists all along?

Jokes aside, good timing on this considering the recent Atlus garbage and all. Looking forward to this series and glad to see them making new gaming content.
 
thepenguin55

thepenguin55

Member
Oct 28, 2017
11,902
Awesome! Carolyn Petit is great! Admittedly Feminist Frequency sort of passed me by previously (I was somewhat detached from gaming for a little while) and this seems like as good a excuse as any to check out the channel.
 
Celine.D.Sykes

Celine.D.Sykes

Banned
Feb 2, 2019
363
Khanimus said:
The poster makes an oddly defensive mention about their own wardrobe tastes, as if it is in any way relevant to the topic of how BOTW handles trans identity. I state that it was a needless inclusion. The user apologized for any misinterpretation of what they meant. Not sure what else needs explaining here.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

He can apologize all day, I don't see the problem in what he was saying initially and that's my problem with your take on it. You know labelling it as "oddly defensive". Nobody should tell him what his taste should be or the way he should express what his taste are.

Plus, you made it sound like nobody would judge him for what he's wearing. Most people will, period, regardless of the context. Unless you just meant that his tastes aren't relevant in the discussion, which is another problem.
 
CannonFodder52

CannonFodder52

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,010
Canada
thepenguin55 said:
Awesome! Carolyn Petit is great! Admittedly Feminist Frequency sort of passed me by previously (I was somewhat detached from gaming for a little while) and this seems like as good a excuse as any to check out the channel.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Their backlog of gaming critique videos are pretty great, so you've got a good series ahead of you.

Stoked for these new videos.
 
Hours Left

Hours Left

Member
Oct 26, 2017
18,496
Cool, this subject definitely needs the spotlight.

Queer people have been gaming since gaming came into existence, obviously, but we're treated like shit. The amount of pushback and condescending garbage we are subjected to, even from "progressive" areas of the gaming community (including ResetERA) is shocking.
 
Khanimus

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,472
Greater Vancouver
Celine.D.Sykes said:
He can apologize all day, I don't see the problem in what he was saying initially and that's my problem with your take on it. You know labelling it as "oddly defensive". Nobody should tell him what his taste should be or the way he should express what his taste are.

Plus, you made it sound like nobody would judge him for what he's wearing. Most people will, period, regardless of the context. Unless you just meant that his tastes aren't relevant in the discussion, which is another problem.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Do you take every post you read as literally as possible?
 

Deleted member 46429

Self-requested ban
Banned
Aug 4, 2018
2,185
I'll be down to watch this.

Admittedly, my interest is more selfish. I'm gay myself, but there are times where it's difficult for me to explain why certain gaming tropes do or don't click with me when my sexuality is relevant. I'm just hoping people can get some better understanding from all this.
 
Celine.D.Sykes

Celine.D.Sykes

Banned
Feb 2, 2019
363
Khanimus said:
Do you take every post you read as literally as possible?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

What a mature answer. I do. Especially when someone like you, who sounds awful to deal with, is inclined to make people bend the knee to his weird interpretation of words. Like I said, the guy above can apologize all day, he said nothing wrong initially.

You can go discuss with someone else, I'm not interested in pursuing the discussion with someone like you.
 
Reader mode
You must log in or register to reply here.