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1,499$*
Stealing is stealing regardless what company or line of work you are in and hopefully he will face legal actions as well
Prison ≠ JailI mean as shitty thing as this is to do do we really need to put people in prison over a console? Non violent crime? A big reason why american prisons are so full is that you get jail time over everything. I mean fine is enough for crime like this.
I agree and its becoming worse with Amazon dealing with shadier delivery drivers around rhe world. What would solve this would be asking all delivery drivers like US law enforcement is to wear a camera when delivery or have a camera in there car pointed at them when delivering, so there would no doubt that he did deliver it or caused the theft.
A £499 toy still costs £499. If someone ripped a phone out of your hand in the street you wouldn't be calling it a toy. Also, I never said jail time, but you can't just take valuable items and not face some kind of criminal record, be it a suspended sentence or otherwise.It's a toy people, making every offense punishable by jail time is how the US because the world capital of incarceration.
It's a toy people, making every offense punishable by jail time is how the US because the world capital of incarceration.
Turns out, just throwing everyone into jail for any offense isn't how most developed countries handle their justice system!
To me, this is entirely on Amazon. These are sub companies of sub companies of sub companies of companies hired by Amazon to deliver their packages, intentionally built around being able to work around employment laws. These people are almost never fully employed but work on completely predatory contract basis for the lowest amount of money possible without any securities. This isn't meant to excuse someone stealing a PS5 but it IS meant to say "Fuck Amazon". Their are completely at fault for not wanting to directly hire the people delivering the packages, instead farming it out to sub companies to escape accountability and make more of a profit by not having to actually employ these people.
I can almost guarantee you this man wasn't employed by Amazon and wasn't fully employed by anyone at all, see above.
You could get possibly get done under the Postal Service Act 2000, under unlawfully opening/interfering in someone elses mail which is indeed a criminal offence. Which could be a fine, 6 months prison time or both.
It's a toy people, making every offense punishable by jail time is how the US because the world capital of incarceration.
Yea wtf. Era is more (economically) left than I am but is surprisingly much more tough on crime lolWhat on earth is with the people wanting someone to be jailed for stealing a game console?
Why do we always pull out "it's a toy", when it's time to talk down to someone?It's a toy people, making every offense punishable by jail time is how the US because the world capital of incarceration.
Why do we always pull out "it's a toy", when it's time to talk down to someone?
This is a very expensive "toy". Would you be saying the same thing if someone stole your phone?It's a toy people, making every offense punishable by jail time is how the US because the world capital of incarceration.
Why do we always pull out "it's a toy", when it's time to talk down to someone?
I get what you're saying, but people go to jail for stealing like $50 out of cash registers at work not just in the US. Regardless of what the product is, the value on said product is still there. So seems kind of odd you'd get fired but keep what you stole.
A £499 toy still costs £499. If someone ripped a phone out of your hand in the street you wouldn't be calling it a toy. Also, I never said jail time, but you can't just take valuable items and not face some kind of criminal record, be it a suspended sentence or otherwise.
Stealing anything worth over (roughly) 250 dollars is a felony here in Europe.
You won't get jail time for your first offense, but you can absolutely get jailed if you do it again.
It somebody's hard earned money paying for that toy, what the item is has no bearing on the crime committed.
Also, it's not the US and we have many other strands to our justice system (as flawed as it is, like it's makers). No one is saying lock him up (he wouldn't) but don't steal shit and you won't have people asking for punishment.
Why do we always pull out "it's a toy", when it's time to talk down to someone?
The dude is fired, and probably wont be getting a job like this again, that's already punishment.This is a very expensive "toy". Would you be saying the same thing if someone stole your phone?
But lets keep it real here, ya'll are feening for this man to be put in jail over a god damn toy (an expensive toy) and just saying that's fucked up.
So this happened to a friend and he got put through to a director and ended up with over £400 compensation from Amazon. Bought one off a scalper instead. Ended £70 and a copy of demon's souls up!
I get what you're saying, but people go to jail for stealing like $50 out of cash registers at work not just in the US. Regardless of what the product is, the value on said product is still there. So seems kind of odd you'd get fired but keep what you stole.
The dude is fired, and probably wont be getting a job like this again, that's already punishment.
If an extra layer of punishment should be a return of stolen property + a fine of some kind, sure that's probably appropriate.
But lets keep it real here, ya'll are feening for this man to be put in jail over a god damn toy (an expensive toy) and I'm just saying that's fucked up.
What world are people saying 'why would you lose your job over a PS5?' living in. He didn't steal it to play it ffs. Right now scalpers are selling PS5s for anywhere up to and over £1000. There was that one thread on this forum about an £800 purchase.
Amazon delivery drivers, even their more well known partners like Hermes, start on minimum wage £8.72 per hour, on zero hour contracts so never guaranteed a full 40 hours a week, and on top of that for the worse subcontractors any damage / wear and tear to their van has to be covered by themselves. Frankly a lot of the sub sub contractors are people working cash in hand who couldn't get any other job for various reasons (language, perhaps legal reasons).
Stealing 1 PS5 could literally net the equivalent of a few months salary to these people, and it's so easy. Just mark the delivery as done but never show up. It's your word against theirs, worst case scenario the package is determined 'lost in the system' and if Amazon have suspicions like this case or see a trend with some contractors they won't let you work with them again (or say that, doubtful they even have a record of who the exact driver is). The chance of getting caught for just 1 is absolutely minuscule. Who wouldn't be tempted?
The dude is fired, and probably wont be getting a job like this again, that's already punishment.
If an extra layer of punishment should be a return of stolen property + a fine of some kind, sure that's probably appropriate.
But lets keep it real here, ya'll are feening for this man to be put in jail over a god damn toy (an expensive toy) and I'm just saying that's fucked up.
You might get shot and lose your life, forget about jail time lol.That could be a poor family that saved long and hard to get that for the kids birthday.
You calling it a toy to diminish what was done misses out on nuances like that. Here is an idea, I will break in and take your expensive toys ... all good?
AFAIK, FedEx is non-union and tends to run their drivers in to the ground. UPS drivers are union, and paid pretty well. USPS is unionized and pays pretty well for what it is, but the work load can be absolutely hellish until you reach full-time career status. Amazon around here tends to pay $15 an hour for drivers, USPS starts at $17 an hour for comparison.Amazon probably pays their drivers shit.
UPS (for sure) and Fedex (I think) drivers are unionized and make very large salaries ($70k+ with enough experience) - it's a huge disincentive to steal things like PS5s when you're already making high five figures and have all the benefits of a union job. I doubt Amazon pays them anywhere near that - or if they're still independent contractors, even offers them any benefits.
Jail time for theft under $500? They stole a PS5, lost their job, and obviously didn't get to keep the console. If we start putting people in jail for petty theft, we're going to redefine the term "overflow" in regards to prisons.I mean getting fired is bare minimum. But stealing people's packages isn't jail time over there?
May not have been even fired but told to leave. Crazy. I work for a big company and barely any one is actually fired.
It's not "carte blanche to be a thief". The system in place puts many people in a position where they're tempted by the notion of theft because the risk / reward of stealing one package could be the difference between having food on the that night for their family. Yes, even employed people.I'm sorry to say guys but the implication made in here by many about how shit a job and how shit an employer Amazon is makes an excuse for theft is bullshit.
Worked many shit jobs for minimum wage, sometimes less than ... didn't give me carte blanche to be a thief.
It's not wrong at all. It's not like they were stealing food. Plus if it wasn't on camera it's just one person's word against theirs. I've been blamed for stolen goods before and it's a bunch of bullshit.It's not "carte blanche to be a thief". The system in place puts many people in a position where they're tempted by the notion of theft because the risk / reward of stealing one package could be the difference between having food on the that night for their family. Yes, even employed people.
I've worked for NO money (internship during college), but I also recognize my privileged position where the idea of theft has never entered the equation of my daily existence.
This is largely why it's wrong to want to jail people for stealing a toy.
I'm sorry to say guys but the implication made in here by many about how shit a job and how shit an employer Amazon is makes an excuse for theft is bullshit.
Worked many shit jobs for minimum wage, sometimes less than ... didn't give me carte blanche to be a thief.
It's not "carte blanche to be a thief". The system in place puts many people in a position where they're tempted by the notion of theft because the risk / reward of stealing one package could be the difference between having food on the that night for their family. Yes, even employed people.
I've worked for NO money (internship during college), but I also recognize my privileged position where the idea of theft has never entered the equation of my daily existence.
This is largely why it's wrong to want to jail people for stealing a toy.
Last week, Amazon promised to "put it right" for every PlayStation 5 customer who did not receive the console they'd paid for, after many received alternative items or simply nothing at all.
This is largely why it's wrong to want to jail people for stealing a toy.
That could be a poor family that saved long and hard to get that for the kids birthday.
You calling it a toy to diminish what was done misses out on nuances like that. Here is an idea, I will break in and take your expensive toys ... all good?
This is not wrong at all. There are consequences for actions made that people need to be held accountable for. Granted, theft is on the lower end of the spectrum of criminality, so it's not as if they're getting 1st degree murder sentences.
Also, while the example of stealing because of poverty/desperation may apply in certain situations, that's not always the case. Instead, the whole PS5 theft/scalping nonsense is driven by greed more so than anything.
It's still theft under $500 (or £500 in the UK). At the very worst, community service is in order. They've lost their job, which is enough of a punishment for somebody desperate enough to steal a tracked package.This is not wrong at all. There are consequences for actions made that people need to be held accountable for. Granted, theft is on the lower end of the spectrum of criminality, so it's not as if they're getting 1st degree murder sentences.
Also, while the example of stealing because of poverty/desperation may apply in certain situations, that's not always the case. Instead, the whole PS5 theft/scalping nonsense is driven by greed more so than anything.
This is a terrible way to justify this. When I worked in retail I had access to all kinds of high value goods. Moreover, I was one of the few people that could do a certain kind of stock check on items. I never stole anything. Putting aside the fact I have less of a problem stealing directly from a huge mega coroeration than from people who have already bought the item, here is why stealing is wrong:Amazon probably pays their drivers shit.
UPS (for sure) and Fedex (I think) drivers are unionized and make very large salaries ($70k+ with enough experience) - it's a huge disincentive to steal things like PS5s when you're already making high five figures and have all the benefits of a union job. I doubt Amazon pays them anywhere near that - or if they're still independent contractors, even offers them any benefits.
Lmao what are you even talking about?I'm not talking about jail, I am talking about those saying him losing his job is enough. If it is such a throw away job, is it?
Also £150 a day (what Amazon drivers get in the UK) isn't enough to put food on the table?
I was raised by my Mum on benefits and we always had food on the table and she got nowhere near £150 a week.
I grew up in poverty and much of my peer group have been involved in criminality, I know the life you are theorizing about and I will still call out bullshit.
A number of drivers from Prospect Commercial Ltd, a Kent-based company which operates across the UK, raised concerns about the work they do from Amazon's Sheffield depot.
They say they earn a fixed rate of £103 a route each day, while being offered van hire and insurance costing £200 a week.
They claim they are working as long as 12 hours each day, sometimes as much as 14 – despite UK law dictating that drivers must not be on duty for more than 11 hours in any working day. One 50-year-old worker told us he took home just £160 after forking out for van costs plus £140-worth of fuel, reimbursed later at 16p per mile.
The speed at which drivers must go to hit targets has prompted many to contact the DVSA, which is also investigating claims they are exhausted and have to urinate in bottles.
One worker told us: "Amazon sent an email to all managers to try to stop drivers carrying bottles filled with urine. The security guards were reporting people for it.
Basically this. I'm a uni student working at DPD right now because I need money and it's quick to sign up. I've done various different jobs and DPD is by far the hardest I've ever had to work for just £8.72 an hour. You also basically have no worker rights as you're easily expendable, nearly every workers/drivers who's been there for a bit, their back is destroyed because they preach about manual handling but demand you work at a pace where all that goes out the window and on top of that they can't even pay you correctly each week. I've managed to keep at it because I know it's not my end goal.What world are people saying 'why would you lose your job over a PS5?' living in. He didn't steal it to play it ffs. Right now scalpers are selling PS5s for anywhere up to and over £1000. There was that one thread on this forum about an £800 purchase.
Amazon delivery drivers, even their more well known partners like Hermes, start on minimum wage £8.72 per hour, on zero hour contracts so never guaranteed a full 40 hours a week, and on top of that for the worse subcontractors any damage / wear and tear to their van has to be covered by themselves. Frankly a lot of the sub sub contractors are people working cash in hand who couldn't get any other job for various reasons (language, perhaps legal reasons).
Stealing 1 PS5 could literally net the equivalent of a few months salary to these people, and it's so easy. Just mark the delivery as done but never show up. It's your word against theirs, worst case scenario the package is determined 'lost in the system' and if Amazon have suspicions like this case or see a trend with some contractors they won't let you work with them again (or say that, doubtful they even have a record of who the exact driver is). The chance of getting caught for just 1 is absolutely minuscule. Who wouldn't be tempted?
When I worked at Walmart a support manager got fired for pocketing a couple hands of clearanced candy.