Epic Games Reveals Epic Games Store Wave 1 Games Lineup
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Not as shitty as another store buying up exclusives. I'm not going to split and segment my PC game purchases up any more than they already are. I don't have some crazy love for Steam, it's just convenient. This Epic shit is the opposite of convenient. I wouldn't even mind another store if they didn't pull the exclusive garbage. This behaviour pushes me away and creates animosity towards the platform. No way I'm shopping there.
I thought Japan is also in on this, because Epic Games in Japan has quite the following.
Well if they want to get me interested in their store that's one way to do it. But like you say, that would involve a substantial effort on their part which isn't going to happen.
The funny thing is that this has been tried before. Square tried this with Tomb Raider, a much higher profile title than anything here. How did it work out for them?
Do these developers think that they are so special that there aren't other similar games to play on other storefronts amongst thousands releasing every year? I guess we shall see.
"I don't get why PC gamers have preferences" - Person who never cared to play on PC
But why not wait until you have all these features? Why rush it? Why being so stupid?
I mean, imagine posting this in a thread about games that cannot be purchased outside of the Epic store, games that are literally "No Epic no sale."
Hell ya, that's the way I want my business done. Buy out exclusivity and THEN maybe add features people expect or want to become competitive if they feel like it.
Sold me on that line of thinking. This isn't console, hell even EA didn't change anything with their storefront. You know why? These big publishers don't care about your features or needs, they just want to sell their own games.
That's all well and good, but let's not pretend that is a good business model to overtake a market leading store. Competition doesn't quite work like that in open markets. If you want to compete, you need to do more than just show up and throw money around, you need to give people a reason to stick around. Until they prove they can or will do that then I agree, good luck. I'll use their store if and when.
Characterizing releasing on Steam afterwards as them coming to beg is absolutely ridiculous.
Same goes for me, if you take the Epic bribe and go Epic exclusive on PC your game is dead to me.
Microsoft had no say in the matter of the game being Xbox Play Anywhere title. They aren't the publisher. MS ain't going way from PC anytime soon, if anything they are going to double down on it.
It fits especially for the games that were already about to release on steam, and had steam pages, then pulled out because of the bribe at the last moment.
Those devs can fuck off even more. That's as anti consumer as it gets.
Wanted to get this Day 1 but I guess I'll wait for "at some point". Or a Humble Bundle.
I do. I don't like exclusives there either.
But that's an apples and oranges comparison anyway.
Your point?
Wasn't making a point, really, just wondering how console players feel about exclusives on their platforms vs. exclusives on a PC, where firing up a different marketplace is all that's required. you're right it's apples and oranges, but in a way that makes complaining about multiple marketplaces feel silly?
Get them to pay higher prices since no 3rd party stores and have them not worry about lack of information/discussions/visibility or pesky reviews.
No it absolutely does not. You're making great points against the Epic Games Store in other posts and completely undercutting yourself with this childish insult to developers.
I don't like games being visibly moneyhatted to not release on the competition, no.
Remember Rise of the Tomb Raider and how console gamers crucified it? I do.
Yes, and various computers. Still, I don't like exclusives of any kind. The more options a customer has, the better.
I understand not liking exclusives because it's not on your store of choice, but unless it's a bad deal for you because of a current lack of regional pricing, I'm not sure why people are getting so worked up about it?
You can say it's not about it being another launcher, but I mean, that's the only difference in the end, right?
You can say it's not about it being another launcher, but I mean, that's the only difference in the end, right?
Thanks for this. I might look into it...
...but I still mainly buy from Steam. ;)
I feel like this case is a bit different. It feels more like "we will take less revenue from you if you release on us first" instead of "we'll pay you a fee to come to us first"
Have you used Steam like ever? Have you ever used a controller with a Steam game? What about connecting your PC to TV? Have you ever wanted to quickly resolve a technical issue, find a mod or a guide without looking over half the internet? Do you ever use Linux?
If you took just a few seconds to think about this shit you would understand why people are not happy about these exclusives. Epic doesn't even have the excuse that other storefronts have like Origin/Battlenet/Bethesda since those only have exclusive games that they develop and publish.
Valve should have more money than epic they're going to need to spent a bit and go ahead and put the baby to bed this is a thorn in its side it doesn't need.
Why do devs not deserve to be insulted? They literally took a bribe to screw over consumers. No one forced them to do this.
Between fortnite, UE4 royalties and Tencent (who owns just under half of Epic) I'm not so sure about Valve having more money.
I like how people justify literally anything by going "well at least Steam has some competition now!"
Steam has competition. It's had competition for ages. It already had competition back when people said the same shit about the Microsoft store on PC - "finally Steam has competition!" It already had competition back when people said the same shit about EA pulling its games to start Origin - "finally Steam has competition!"
This shit where people who haven't been paying a goddamn iota of attention to the PC market jump in and go "well everything is justified because now Steam has competition" is tired.
If Epic keeps all the asset flip garbage and horribly racist, homophobic, and misogynistic games off their storefront that'll be great.
It is very difficult to browse steam and discover content because of the sheer volume of trash they allow in. The recommended algorithms that Steam uses also fail to offer many compelling choices that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Valve has done a lot for the platform and for developers but I find the services to be bloated, toxic, and overall pretty unenjoyable.
If there are other companies ready to put the effort in to actually offer better services, better deals for developers (revenue splits, promotions, payments for exclusivities, etc...), I'm all for it.
I'll go where the games I want are 🤷♂️
It is very difficult to browse steam and discover content because of the sheer volume of trash they allow in. The recommended algorithms that Steam uses also fail to offer many compelling choices that I wouldn't have otherwise found.
Valve has done a lot for the platform and for developers but I find the services to be bloated, toxic, and overall pretty unenjoyable.
If there are other companies ready to put the effort in to actually offer better services, better deals for developers (revenue splits, promotions, payments for exclusivities, etc...), I'm all for it.
I'll go where the games I want are 🤷♂️
I'm feeling the same way. It's not about choosing to put your game on another launcher versus Steam.
It's about dropping a platform(s) because you accepted a bribe to do so.
Another conclusion reached without any base. Without any real knowledge of the deal offered to the devs or the future Epic may have planned out. Should've just stuck to the bolded.
I'll just quote myself again and step out of the thread:
of course they would need exclusives so people will jump on to their platform...i mean some of the people here act like what Epic is doing is nonsense. it makes the most sense. why the hell would people use your platform if it's as readily available on their already-existing platform-of-choice? jesus.
Ya you should, as you aren't bringing anything to the conversation but wishful thinking. As I said, if Epic ever does decide to step up and provide the countless features they are missing, I'll gladly switch over. It's better business practice to lead with that over the money hatting though. Later.
Steam has competition but none of them are competitive in any real sense of the word, and, like it or not, in order to actually compete in a serious way with them, they'll have to do more than just make a good launcher with good features.
No one trying to go up against Steam is playing on a level playing field has any chance at the end of the day, so it makes sense they have to make radical swings.
It may seem trivial but I own Rebel Galaxy on Steam and I kinda want to have the sequel in my Steam collection as well. That's also why I plan on buying the Thronebreaker Steam version (bought it on GOG on release) at some point because I own all the other Witcher games on Steam. I also want to take screenshots and upload them to my Steam profile for my friends to see. I know some people don't care about stuff like this and that's fine. But I do.
So far there's just no real incentive for me to buy a game from Epic's store. I mean, I will probably download the client to take advantage of the free games they give away but I know they will end like the free games I got from GOG, uPlay, Origin and Twitch Prime: completely forgotten and ignored.
It's not about what's required. Different stores have different ecosystems.
Steam provides a lot of services other stores don't. People will get Hades on Epic Store without a discussion board, overlay or built in controller input.
Also GoG provides drm free versions of games for those that appreciate it. People will not have this option with a exclusive Epic store game.
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https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/6/1...-launch-games-list-mac-os-windows-pc-tga-2018
I just read something about drm being optional on Epic Store btw, tho it's hard to get what it means exactly.
It's not clear if the drm is optional for the devs or for the players. If it's for the devs, Steam also doesn't mandate drm, but if we as players could play every game drm free, it would be pretty cool.
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We have absolutely no idea has to what they're actually planing on the customer's side and that's a conscious choice since they clearly outlined their position regarding developers.
Everyone currently saying that it's good for customers are either basing their reasoning on wishful thinking regarding non existent features, or think that Epic just being there and offering no value for customers is inherently good.
Both of those are weird stance to take.
Do you mean Fortnite players? They're entirely different audience. PC market in Japan is limited to MMO players.
The fact that you characterize them taking this offer specifically as a move to "screw over consumers" says a lot here, my man. The very worst thing that came out of this is that these games may not be on Steam. Your laser focus on consumer benefits looks a lot shakier when you're hurling insults and standing by them over not being able to buy your video game on your program of choice. Nobody deserves insults over this, of all things.
totally agree. just curious how many people feel that way seeing the amount of console war stuff I see on virtually every gaming board I frequent.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.
I don't use Linux much for gaming so I can see that being an issue, but I've worked on computers my entire life and don't find minor troubleshooting such a hassle. Controllers are easy, connecting to a TV is easy. What are you going on about here?
The bolded is why I am saying some of the hate is not fair, we have not idea what they have planned. I am just saying give it a chance.
If anything this is good for the developer and I am happy about that. I do not see how that is a weird stance to have. Too many in the gaming communities have so much disrespect for the content creators. Everyone is up in arms because this could've have been the better deal for Supergiants game which last game came out everywhere as was not as successful as maybe they wanted/expected.
Epic is just getting going. Anyone remember when Steam first started?
Also, no built in controller support? How many people actually have trouble getting a controller to run on their PC without whatever built in support exists? My DS4 actually runs better when I use a third party driver. Steam's controller support is uh... not great?
Not saying Epic will not up their service game in the future or that Steam controller support is the best. Just giving examples on why pc stores doesn't provide the exactly same stuff.
I'm not 100% against pc store exclusives, mind you.
Steam launched over a decade ago. Lord forbid I expect storefronts to have basic features day 1.
That is a delicious selection of games they're offering.
I've got a Windows VM running for Battle.net stuff, anyway (you can make it work under Linux with Wine, but it breaks annoyingly often), so I might jump in and give Hades a try (a bit risky, because my laptop isn't a super impressive gaming machine to begin with, and running under a virtualized GPU does involve a performance hit ...)
As far as the discussion about exclusives goes ... it is sad to not get to play a game because it doesn't run on your stuff. I'd be happiest if all my games worked under Linux and all my video streams talked to my Chromecast. Otoh, I was a little bit worried about Supergiant Games after Trasistor and Pyre got mixed receptions. If they've got a financial deal going with Epic, that means that they're less likely to go the way of other great studios sadly gone too soon, and we'll be able to keep playing new games from them in the future, even if some of us might have to wait a bit before they hit our favorite gaming gadget ...
I've got a Windows VM running for Battle.net stuff, anyway (you can make it work under Linux with Wine, but it breaks annoyingly often), so I might jump in and give Hades a try (a bit risky, because my laptop isn't a super impressive gaming machine to begin with, and running under a virtualized GPU does involve a performance hit ...)
As far as the discussion about exclusives goes ... it is sad to not get to play a game because it doesn't run on your stuff. I'd be happiest if all my games worked under Linux and all my video streams talked to my Chromecast. Otoh, I was a little bit worried about Supergiant Games after Trasistor and Pyre got mixed receptions. If they've got a financial deal going with Epic, that means that they're less likely to go the way of other great studios sadly gone too soon, and we'll be able to keep playing new games from them in the future, even if some of us might have to wait a bit before they hit our favorite gaming gadget ...
I'm generally all for open platform support: the more people can play a game, the better. using exclusives to drive sales feels like an easy way to shut down competition.
On the other hand, using exclusives to create a more competitive market seems like a good thing, and Steam could definitely use some healthy competition. so I guess I'm not 100% either way, but I do tend to want less exclusives and more competition on the hardware front. if you want me to buy your system, make a system that's hard not to buy. that's exactly what Nintendo and that's one reason I don't own an Xbox or PS4: I don't care about the exclusives one bit and can get more out of my money with a PC.