Yeah it's never sat right with me either that they had to retcon VII's lore and characters to build this dweeb up -- making Aerith afraid of the sky so that when she's with Zack he can make her feel safe, forcing the 'living legacy' crap on Cloud so his post VII motivations are to live for Zack rather than everything Cloud has fought for. But Zack's cool now and an aw shucks puppy dog so who cares.This is actually something I really disagree with. I am someone who really really doesn't like any of the post ff7 Zack stuff and thought it undermined what I perceived to be the point of his character in the original game to make him into a "cooler" character, and it never sat right with me.
They have turned him into a superman hero who I would understand why anyone would idolize whereas I felt the purpose of his character was that he was just "normal" and it showed how broken Cloud's mind was that it was some guy who got offed by 2 grunts that it chose to copy. The fact that they made him into the cool forest gump of every past event of FF7 lore was fanfictiony to me.
Like I would honestly prefer some of the really dumb stuff introduced in the compilation games over canonizing hero Zack.
Hell yes. Bring on the madness! I'm ready for Genesis, Weiss, Cissnei, Kadaj, Deepground, Geostigma, and all that other post-FFVII absurdity. I love it.
But most importantly, this probably means we get more Zack and more of his backstory integrated into FFVII proper, and that's a wonderful thing because Zack is one of FF's best protagonists ever and way more interesting than Cloud (at least OG FFVII Cloud; remake Cloud seems like he'll have a much more defined personality and, hopefully, relatability).
I'm into this.
This is pretty much how I feel. I HATED Cloud with his personality of an earthworm in FFVII, and Zack was an extremely impactful character in Crisis Core. That final scene...go watch it again and tell me you don't tear up.
But yeah, Cloud looks a little more lively in the remake. I like that.
I'm so excited for Genesis because of the ridiculousness of it all, hahaha. I hope we get a glimpse of him again.Oh, you don't have to convince me about Zack and Crisis Core's ending! I was a mess the first time I saw that, and despite multiple subsequent viewings I've never been able to get through it with dry eyes. Not even once. It's brutal, but also so beautifully handled. I'd say it's a very rare example of genuinely mature storytelling in a Final Fantasy game. (Not that mature = good and less mature = bad across the board, but it was great to see so much of Crisis Core and its heavy narrative themes handled with quiet grace even as Gackt is reciting ridiculous poetry and crazy anime madness is happening all around.)
I liked Zack well enough in Crisis Core, but I agree. Cloud was a lonely child with no friends growing up. It made sense why he would immediately attach himself to someone who showed him even a small amount of kindness. Zack didn't need to be some amazing hero for Cloud to idolize him.This is actually something I really disagree with. I am someone who really really doesn't like any of the post ff7 Zack stuff and thought it undermined what I perceived to be the point of his character in the original game to make him into a "cooler" character, and it never sat right with me.
They have turned him into a superman hero who I would understand why anyone would idolize whereas I felt the purpose of his character was that he was just "normal" and it showed how broken Cloud's mind was that it was some guy who got offed by 2 grunts that it chose to copy. The fact that they made him into the cool forest gump of every past event of FF7 lore was fanfictiony to me.
Like I would honestly prefer some of the really dumb stuff introduced in the compilation games over canonizing hero Zack.
In some of these FF7 threads, I already feel an undercurrent of a shipping war brewing. cloti 4 lyfeAll we need right now is people screaming, "AERITH BELONGS TO TIFA", and "CLOUD BELONGS TO BARRET" for this to be legit like one of those old school Final Fantasy 7 forums I used to frequent. Anyone have good fanfiction to post?
I liked Zack well enough in Crisis Core, but I agree. Cloud was a lonely child with no friends growing up. It made sense why he would immediately attach himself to someone who showed him even a small amount of kindness. Zack didn't need to be some amazing hero for Cloud to idolize him.
In some of these FF7 threads, I already feel an undercurrent of a shipping war brewing.
Crisis Core's rendition of Aerith's theme is the best too. The western style is just glorious.
Zack undermines every single character in 7.To all the peeps criticizing Zack's death scene in CC... I see you, and I love you. There are dozens of us. ✊✊✊
I found him to be a really enjoyable protagonist in his own right (when I played the game like 10 years ago but watching cutscenes more recently I still like him well enough) but I can't stand how much he undermines Cloud in the story. No tears from me over that fanfiction ass ending.
Mary Sue Forrest Gump 😴Zack undermines every single character in 7.
The Midas retcon touch they gave him is disgusting. I'll never get over what they did to Aerith 🤢
You know why Aerith sells flowers, has her ribbon and wears pink? Cuz Zack told her to!
Genesis is Kuja with all the melodrama ramped up to eleven. Which is dumb because Kuja was already Kefka, but worse.Never played the sequels. Was Genesis some kind of insufferable character?
Genesis IS basically taking the idea of Kuja and applying it to the FFVII world: A genetically engineered that was imperfect and dying, became aware of his mortality and went batshit insane (then somewhat turning "good" at the end). Oh yeah, and both love quoting poetric and speaking eloquently.Gackt is Kuja with all the melodrama ramped up to eleven. Which is dumb because Kuja was already Kefka, but worse.
Ridiculous hypobole aside, all this likely means is we get some more insight on Zacks character, and his death will be more akin to Crisis Core than FF7.
Surely you cannot wait for when they reveal how Zack single-handedly crippling the Shinra military forces in his final stand causes a lack of the company's manpower in all major events of FF7 proper, which is how the main team is able to do everything they do when it comes to sneaking and infiltrating Shinra compounds!
Zack was a 1st class soldier, in the same bracket as Sephiroth. Obviously not as powerful but it made no sense him being taken out by two grunts.
Surely you cannot wait for when they reveal how Zack single-handedly crippling the Shinra military forces in his final stand causes a lack of the company's manpower in all major events of FF7 proper, which is how the main team is able to do everything they do when it comes to sneaking and infiltrating Shinra compounds!
The Last Order OVA at least tried to justify it by him being hit by a sniper.Zack was a 1st class soldier, in the same bracket as Sephiroth. Obviously not as powerful but it made no sense him being taken out by two grunts.
I mean, Grunt Cloud defeated Sephiroth at Nibelheim, pre mako poisoning and all. Catch a 1st class at the right time, you can take em.Zack was a 1st class soldier, in the same bracket as Sephiroth. Obviously not as powerful but it made no sense him being taken out by two grunts.
I mean, Grunt Cloud defeated Sephiroth at Nibelheim, pre mako poisoning and all. Catch a 1st class at the right time, you can take em.