Your contribution to this thread is so strange. You voice your opinion but you don't want any discussion. Do you know this is a discussion forum?
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El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie |OT| This is my own private domicile and I will not be harassed... bitch
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It made me very uncomfortable. Todd just makes my skin crawl.
Of course. I also never said i dont want discussion. I just have to keep going back and forth over a silly point i wasnt even making in the first place (and then clarified as such).
If people wanted to actually discuss whether they think this addition added to the story of breaking bad in a meaningful way id be more than happy to have that conversation.
Ill shut up with the childish bickering with kharvey tho. That went on too long and i should have been the better person and just stopped. Ill shut up with them now.
That's not subjective value. There are objectively many people in this thread that were entertained. Again what you really meant was you don't understand the concept of value.
Uhh no. Jesse had a perfectly adequate resolution in Felina. For once, he stopped Walt's manipulation, asking him say 'I want this' instead of 'you want this'. It was a closure to his toxic relationship with Walt. Just like Skyler made Walt speak honestly, Jesse did the same as well. It was a perfect ending, and it leaves room for interpretation for what happens to Jesse, and even Walt as well as kind of an open (yet expertly concluded) ending. It was perfect.
El Camino is not a bad movie. It just feels like a filler. Unlike BCS which had original story to tell, El Camino does not add anything interesting. As an epilogue, it's unnecessary. As a movie, it failed to create a proper beginning, middle and end. There is no arc here. I know it's supposed to be a closure, but this is still a 2 hour movie. There needs to be something else. It's just missing something.
I enjoyed it a great deal. A nice slow burn, relaxed film with bursts of tension, just like the show.
And boy is it pretty.
And boy is it pretty.
Agreed. This sums up my own thoughts a bit more throughly.
I was gonna ask what i ever did to you but then i looked at your post history and realized why you probably dont like me.
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Absolutely not what I expected the film to be like, but it was nigh on perfect. A slow burn that gave plenty of fan service, but also filled holes in the story and gave Jesse the perfect ending. Just a fantastic 2-hour epilogue to the series. Non-fans will really struggle with it though, this was meant previous viewers only. Kudos for going down that route, must have been tempting as hell to try and bring in new viewers.
Only if they retcon the last 2 season's of Dexter so they didn't happen.
While they are somewhat synonymous I really wish conversation regarding minor follow-ups would be discussed more as denouements over epilogues.
The former would be far more accurate as a drop in action following a climax.
The former would be far more accurate as a drop in action following a climax.
Just watched it, I liked it.
A nice sendoff to Jesse Pinkman and I'm glad he got a (relatively) happy ending.
@everyone saying this is "unnecessary" or similar comments... Don't. That is 100% of the time the worst and laziest criticism you can give anything. If you didn't like it, find something else to say. No entertainment media is "necessary".
El Camino tells a complete story from beginning to end about a guy suffering from PTSD, on the run, and trying to get away with his life. That story doesn't rely on any other story. Does having watched Breaking Bad and knowing these character's prior histories help that? Absolutely. Is it necessary to enjoy this? I'd actually say it is not.
All that being said, I thought this movie was great. It never had to reach the highs of its predecessor. It just had to be a good epilogue, and it was. It is expertly directed and written. And Aaron Paul really just acts the hell out of it.
Personally, I find this to be a more satisfying place to leave the Breaking Bad story/better "final episode" than "Felina" as well (which, along with "Granite State", already felt like an epilogue following "Ozymandias".)
I loved it, and I'll continue to watch anything Vince Gilligan does with this little universe. It's all of such a consistent and gripping quality.
El Camino tells a complete story from beginning to end about a guy suffering from PTSD, on the run, and trying to get away with his life. That story doesn't rely on any other story. Does having watched Breaking Bad and knowing these character's prior histories help that? Absolutely. Is it necessary to enjoy this? I'd actually say it is not.
All that being said, I thought this movie was great. It never had to reach the highs of its predecessor. It just had to be a good epilogue, and it was. It is expertly directed and written. And Aaron Paul really just acts the hell out of it.
Personally, I find this to be a more satisfying place to leave the Breaking Bad story/better "final episode" than "Felina" as well (which, along with "Granite State", already felt like an epilogue following "Ozymandias".)
I loved it, and I'll continue to watch anything Vince Gilligan does with this little universe. It's all of such a consistent and gripping quality.
The aging is admittedly distracting but eh what're ya gonna do?
I need to watch it all again already!
I teared up numerous times, even watching the fucking show recap at the very start.
I love BB so damn much and I loved this movie.
I honestly somehow still want more.
I need to watch it all again already!
I teared up numerous times, even watching the fucking show recap at the very start.
I love BB so damn much and I loved this movie.
I honestly somehow still want more.
If this were the actual finale of the tv series people would be soooo fucking outrage.
Useless filler
Useless filler
To those not yet aware, it is with great sadness that I inform you of the passing of Robert Forster. I just found out myself a few minutes ago, and I'm truly shocked. Mr. Forster was undoubtedly one of the best parts of Jackie Brown in his role as Max Cherry, and was highly regarded as one of most interesting, cool, talked about side characters on Breaking Bad, playing the role of Ed the Disappearer. May he rest in peace.
.....wait...what?
While the terms can technically be used synonymously, in film/television typically we only use "denouement" when we're talking about the very short resolution of a story after the climax has occurred -- usually this is under 10 minutes long. When we're talking about something that is 2 hours long and a story on its own, that is more typically called an epilogue. And in this particular case, it could be argued El Camino is an epilogue to an epilogue (Granite State + Felina).
They really wouldn't be. Also, people already think of the actual finale as not the actual finale, because it sort of isn't. The finale was Walt's epilogue. This was Jessie's. That's okay.
This is far from "useless filler". There's nothing to fill, there's no next part. I mean, maybe eventually there will be, but for now this is the end. And I think it's a pretty good place to leave the character of Jessie.
I would often agree if discussing a work that fits into more "traditional" storytelling parameters, ala stage theatre and film, where 10 minutes can wrap up 2-3 hours of story following the climax.
But in an age of serialized television those lengths become elongated. Breaking Bad itself represents close to 50 hours of storytelling, and now has Saul eventually doing another 30. In that sense, a longer denouement fits for me, and I'd absolutely place Granite State and Felina within that same rubric.
Better Call Saul is a spin-off prequel, so that operates a bit differently. Its few sequel, uh, sequences I am not really sure how to classify yet until we see the entire thing I suppose.
Anyways, for both Granite State + Felina, as well as El Camino, I would still stick with referring to them as Epilogues because they do have their own beginnings, middles, and ends, with their own climaxes as well.
For a TV version of a denouement, I'd look more at something like the second half of the Justified finale (if you're familiar with that show). Basically, it's all character resolution and follow up to the events of the finale without actually introducing new complications/obstacles for characters to overcome and goals for them to achieve (and thus creating more story to tell) like Granite State + Felina or El Camino. That's the key difference for me.
That strikes me as very reasonable, especially the point that they operate as full stories on their own.
you do realize that jesse killed todd in the brba finale right?
BCS has dozens of hours to tell an original story while El Camino is meant to be just an appendum to an equally long tale. That's not comparable at all.
It's a sendoff for a character we already invested 40+ hours in so it would be very off to cramp some completely new original story for this character just in a standard movie length and structure.
Wait, for real??? A show about Kim Wexler is possible? I fucking love that character.
Some of the takes in this thread, lol. "Useless filler" for an epilogue story had me in stitches.
It was great, I loved it was low key, and not a revenge story at all. It was clear that Jesse has changed in captivity, and he pretty much did everything to avoid having to cause further harm to pretty much anyone.
It was great, I loved it was low key, and not a revenge story at all. It was clear that Jesse has changed in captivity, and he pretty much did everything to avoid having to cause further harm to pretty much anyone.
I LOVED IT!
Seriously fantastic loved the fact that most actors were back loved the slow pase and loved all the call backs!
Seriously fantastic loved the fact that most actors were back loved the slow pase and loved all the call backs!
While I did enjoy it, I can't shake the feeling that this is a completely pointless movie. It just exists to answer the question "What happened to Jesse?", which is a question I personally never really had. The way his story ended was perfect as is and didn't need a two hour epilogue.
Opinions differ of course, but for me most of felt like empty fanservice. Pretty looking and well acted fanservice, but fanservice nonetheless.
EDIT: Reading up on the discussion of the last pages... seriously? No need to berate people for thinking this is a mostly useless addition to the Breaking Bad story. That's their opinion. If you don't agree, fine, but some of the reactions here are frankly pretty embarrassing.
Opinions differ of course, but for me most of felt like empty fanservice. Pretty looking and well acted fanservice, but fanservice nonetheless.
EDIT: Reading up on the discussion of the last pages... seriously? No need to berate people for thinking this is a mostly useless addition to the Breaking Bad story. That's their opinion. If you don't agree, fine, but some of the reactions here are frankly pretty embarrassing.
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I think I know the story some were wanting.
So Jesse crashes through the gate and is immediately in a high speed chase with police. There is an awkward flashback scene to Walt talking to him about a chemical reaction that would cause his car to go to an amazing speed, which he uses to outrun the police. "Yeah science!" Remember yeah science?
Then he speeds into the White residence and picks up Skylar, Marie, and Walter Jr. because he has heard while in captivity that Gustavo Fring has a sister who is even more evil. She is running a Burger joint that serves as a cover for the largest cocaine distribution network in the southwest. It is called Las Hamburguesas Hermanas. No doubt she has heard about Walt's role in her brother's death and wants revenge on Jesse because they were partners or something.
Walter Jr. (now portrayed by a completely different actor) is now a high school chemistry teacher and has inherited his father's genius. He and Jesse scheme up super-sciency ways to escape the drug cartels and the police. He still needs his breakfast though. Remember breakfast?
Marie meanwhile is grieving for her late husband by returning to her shoplifting ways, which proves to be invaluable as the road trip commences. She steals precious diamonds, rubies, and emeralds because she falsely remembers that Hank liked rocks. Remember minerals?
Finally, Skylar nags everyone about their spending and crime-committing to keep the group on track. No one likes her very much.
This nostalgic and suspenseful road trip full of close calls and scientific hijinks culminates in a standoff with police AND cartel.
Just as we're sure that our heroes are finished, in steps Walter White! His cancer destroyed the bullets! Now he is back and makes short work of his opposition on both sides of the law.
The group's relief turns to terror as Walt's latest triumph has made him more manipulative and selfish than ever.
And so the cycle begins anew.
So Jesse crashes through the gate and is immediately in a high speed chase with police. There is an awkward flashback scene to Walt talking to him about a chemical reaction that would cause his car to go to an amazing speed, which he uses to outrun the police. "Yeah science!" Remember yeah science?
Then he speeds into the White residence and picks up Skylar, Marie, and Walter Jr. because he has heard while in captivity that Gustavo Fring has a sister who is even more evil. She is running a Burger joint that serves as a cover for the largest cocaine distribution network in the southwest. It is called Las Hamburguesas Hermanas. No doubt she has heard about Walt's role in her brother's death and wants revenge on Jesse because they were partners or something.
Walter Jr. (now portrayed by a completely different actor) is now a high school chemistry teacher and has inherited his father's genius. He and Jesse scheme up super-sciency ways to escape the drug cartels and the police. He still needs his breakfast though. Remember breakfast?
Marie meanwhile is grieving for her late husband by returning to her shoplifting ways, which proves to be invaluable as the road trip commences. She steals precious diamonds, rubies, and emeralds because she falsely remembers that Hank liked rocks. Remember minerals?
Finally, Skylar nags everyone about their spending and crime-committing to keep the group on track. No one likes her very much.
This nostalgic and suspenseful road trip full of close calls and scientific hijinks culminates in a standoff with police AND cartel.
Just as we're sure that our heroes are finished, in steps Walter White! His cancer destroyed the bullets! Now he is back and makes short work of his opposition on both sides of the law.
The group's relief turns to terror as Walt's latest triumph has made him more manipulative and selfish than ever.
And so the cycle begins anew.
I think people are more responding to the "Why does this exist?" crowd.
The fact that so many people like it should already answer that question.
The scenes with Jesse, Badger and Skinny Pete was as good as anything Breaking Bad ever did, I welled up at least three times, it was beautiful and felt so sincere.
The scenes with Walt, Mike, Todd and Jane were also really well done and helped add to giving the journey more depth.
So glad Vince decided to do this and wouldn't mind seeing another spin off from the BB world.
Skinny Pete and Badger deserve their own show, totally the MVPs in El Camino.
The scenes with Walt, Mike, Todd and Jane were also really well done and helped add to giving the journey more depth.
So glad Vince decided to do this and wouldn't mind seeing another spin off from the BB world.
Skinny Pete and Badger deserve their own show, totally the MVPs in El Camino.
I mean, was what I said not clear? I would have killed Todd and escaped before the finale. He had a lot of opportunities when they went on that house cleaning trip.
I really liked this movie. It captures everything about what Breaking Bad was, without leaning on Walt as the main character as we would have thought of as "mandatory" not so long ago.
My only real complain is Todd and the obvious age difference of the actor almost 10 years later, but apart of not really having him as an integral part of the story, you could't have done anything else.
If this was a videogame, I would think of it as an Epilogue DLC, expanding what we already knew about the ending without altering the essence of it.
I know buddy, we all do :(
My only real complain is Todd and the obvious age difference of the actor almost 10 years later, but apart of not really having him as an integral part of the story, you could't have done anything else.
If this was a videogame, I would think of it as an Epilogue DLC, expanding what we already knew about the ending without altering the essence of it.
I know buddy, we all do :(
Except that would have ended with Jack and his posse killing Brock. Wasn't that easy for Jesse.
The only thing i can say is that it's a solid movie, very solid movie
It's not a masterpiece, but it's frankly okay. It fully closes the story for every character basically
I still want more, can't wait for BCS Season 5
Jeez Meth Damon gained a lot of weight
It's not a masterpiece, but it's frankly okay. It fully closes the story for every character basically
I still want more, can't wait for BCS Season 5
Jeez Meth Damon gained a lot of weight
jesse despises his parents and cares for Jake, but you know, that's still a fucked up brootherhood
It dragged in places but overall I enjoyed it. Todd dragged on in particular and it was quite distracting how different he looked than in the show, he's put on a lot of weight maybe I think?
It was beautifully shot though as always and the writing was great. It just felt a bit flat I suppose.
It was beautifully shot though as always and the writing was great. It just felt a bit flat I suppose.
he killed the nazis and went out if the way to blow up their house
I fully agree, thought the whole movie felt redundant. A lot of scenes were unnecessarily draw out too, almost felt like filler. Very strange.
I couldn't write better. I agree 101%. Especially about the final episode, Felina.
The movie not only had the same "clean" aspect but it was also super boring. Cranston was the reason we watched BB, not Jesse.
And those hundred of opportunities would have likely ended up with a dead Brock as well