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Edge review scores #379 (Call of Duty: MW2, Sonic Frontiers, Pentiment, Gotham Knights, GoW: Ragnarok)
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There's always like 3 people complaining about the score and dozens responding lol, it's the same thing every time
He'd probably like COD.
I could see him lamenting the change of Kratos in the new GOW.
The other games would depend on if he worked on them or not.
They enjoy plenty of games. Its just that, as it should, amazing games can be 8s and 9s to them instead of 10/10 best thing ever
I really hate this trend that every time theres a minority opinion, it has to be pointed out that its the ErA bUbBLe, as if that somehow makes peoples opinion worth less. It's incredibly silly. Ragnarok is gonna be in the top 3 in the resetera GOTY list pretty much guaranteed, so "era bubble" my ass. Vast majority of the people love the same shit on this forum as the general gaming populace.
The "Era bubble" doesn't even make sense as a phrase, every take described that way can also be found on Reddit, Twitter or elsewhere. Just feels like a cheap and easy way to dismiss opinions.
Not in the context it was used, it doesn't. Look at the comment they replied to, saying "you've got your head in the sand a bit there" wasn't wrong.
The best posts come out of these review threads. THE BEST. Y'all act the fool over the most asinine nonsense.
From a narrative standpoint, the game is full of incoherencies and contrivances, from questionable character motivations including contradictions from scene to scene, to underwhelming payoffs for numerous story threads introduced both in Raganarok and in the 2018 game.
In terms of gameplay, the levels are structured way more like corridor -> big room where you fight 10-20 enemies -> corridor -> big room where you fight 10-20 enemies, etc., with major story cutscenes happening way less frequently in the level compared to 2018, where there was more of a mix between fighting smaller pockets of enemies all throughout the level, which was also interspersed with cutscenes and meaningful story beats, as opposed to in Ragnarok where major story beats basically happen at the beginning of the level, in the middle of the level, and then at the end of the level, and that's pretty much it. And then in terms of secrets, Ragnarok's levels are much less densely packed with secrets this go around, with chests barely even being hidden, and when they are hidden behind an environmental "puzzle" as in the last game, what passes for a "puzzle" is a way less clever and satisyfing use of the game mechanics compared to what was done in 2018's puzzles. And not only are the "puzzles" incredibly basic, but the game removes any even remote chance that you can't solve it by just having the companion character tell you the answer within 15 seconds of being within the vicinity of the puzzle.
But all that also doesn't even matter because chests are basically worthless anyway because they changed character progression in this so that chests almost never contain new gear, and instead almost always just contain crafting resources, except that equipment can only use certain crafting resources to level up depending on what level its currently at, and better crafting materials are locked behind main story progression, which means that once you've leveled up your gear with the crafting materials available in the current area, there's basically nothing to be gained from chests for the next like 2-3 hours until you've gotten to the part of the main story where the next level of crafting materials becomes available.
Ragnarok is a fun game, but its also incoherent, contrived, repetitive, and ultimately an unsatisfying conclusion to the story that was started back in the 2018 game, which still to this day is one of the best games ever made.
I think 7 is probably fair for Ragnarok. When it sings it feels like an 8 but at times it wanes and feels like a 6. Amazing presentation and technically outstanding but it just a little dull at times. I felt the first game was over designed and whilst I feel it less in this, it it is rather piecemeal, like tab A slots into tab b and each area has this, that and something else. The game hasn't done enough to hide the game design, and I havn't fallen under its illusion. But I am 37 so fewer and fewer games are doing that.
Only 21 hours in and just got past getting to a very famous Norse mythology city, so hoping it starts to kick up a gear or two
Only 21 hours in and just got past getting to a very famous Norse mythology city, so hoping it starts to kick up a gear or two
Sounds very Mass Effect. If you walk into an area that had a whole load of boxes everywhere, absolutely be prepared for a fight to kick off.
Me, who just popped in the thread to say Gotham Knights deserves better because it's actually a pretty solid game, only to find a bloodbath inside because of God of War and Sonic:
Edge doesn't give the $100 million AAA games the automatic 8 out of 10 minimum like the rest of games journalism, hasn't for its entire existence, and it still drives the people crazy. You can't be surprised by it at this point.
Weird to read "tHeY oNlY lIkE ceRtaIn GaMEs" while lambasting them solely for not ranking action-adventure games higher than all other genres.
Marvel Snap's an 8.
Marvel Snap's an 8.
It should not, but people hate seeing a yellow score on the Metacritic page.
What are either of you even trying to say here? You're really not making sense.
Bought the magazine. As usual the text of the reviews is way better than just the score. They argued they're 3/10 for Sonic very well.
How is what I said a slight against the game. I own it. I'm enjoying it.
The era bubble refers to the fact that anyone would think mobile space is smaller in any way to the the other sectors of gaming. So take your bullshit hostility elsewhere.
The spicier take is actually the God of War Ragnarok post script where they say
It's about how God of War 3's narrative and combat are more congruent and cathartic because you're destroying everything in a time where compromise and incremental change feels like it's nowhere near enough. (They feel Ragnarok pushes "incremental negotiation" and the careful undoing of things rather than parallels to wiping the slate clean with sound destruction of the ills and injustices and institutions.)
It touches on AAA action games having narratives and politics that are at odds with the gameplay.
It's about how God of War 3's narrative and combat are more congruent and cathartic because you're destroying everything in a time where compromise and incremental change feels like it's nowhere near enough. (They feel Ragnarok pushes "incremental negotiation" and the careful undoing of things rather than parallels to wiping the slate clean with sound destruction of the ills and injustices and institutions.)
It touches on AAA action games having narratives and politics that are at odds with the gameplay.
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True. Though I do sub to Edge magazine, they really are difficult to please. They are just not a big fan of mainstream gaming, all told.
Gotham Knights should be lower and Marvel Snap should be higher
No.
I do wonder if any scores - including EDGE's - that don't match the consensus are genuinely considered contrarian/attention seeking, or whether grown-ass adults are so personally invested in their purchasing decisions that they need to undermine arbitrary numbers to feel better about them. Real head scratcher.
So what is considered a good amount of chatter? Should it be a silent protagonist until only the cutscenes? A lot of story gets told through speaking during the gameplay portions. Otherwise a lot of info would be missing from certain videogame stories. If there's 1 thing I will say GOW:R could have improved was for the allies to not constantly give you hints when trying to solve puzzles every 5 seconds.
People attacking Edge because they feel defensive over their game of choice not getting rated well is always deeply funny.
Critics usually aren't big fans of the MCU movies, but fans love them. The critics aren't wrong nor are the fans, they are doing different things. It's always bizarre when people try to deflect criticism by saying it's out of step with the general audience, as if that somehow undermines the criticism.
Critics usually aren't big fans of the MCU movies, but fans love them. The critics aren't wrong nor are the fans, they are doing different things. It's always bizarre when people try to deflect criticism by saying it's out of step with the general audience, as if that somehow undermines the criticism.
So I'm still only about halfway through, but something has been bugging me about Ragnarok's progression/gear system - thank you for defining it for me. I thought I was just misremembering the way it was in the first game, but I guess they changed it?
It all feels like I'm not really upgrading or getting new equipment outside of what the game wants me to get. And every chest is just "here's some crafting materials" which I have no context for, since I haven't memorised which materials are needed for which equipment (like great I got some ore or something... what does that do?). The whole things just feels unsatisfying.
Also I'm halfway through and still haven't got a heavy runic attack for either weapon, so I'm not sure if I'm missing something or I'm just are not supposed to have one yet.
First up, thanks for the elaborate response SunBroDave , it is appreciated.
I'm going to need to see a breakdown of these contradictions, because nothing is jumping out at me at the moment. Is there a review or video you can recommend that shows these?
I didn't notice much of a difference in the layout of the battles this time around, we seemed to be getting attacked everywhere, even during cutscenes.
I feel like the characters are constantly talking to each other this time around, the story has meaningful beats even while you and you're companion are just climbing a wall. Mimir and Freya's in Svartalfheim and Vanaheim stick out to me in this way.
I don't remember the puzzles in 2018 being all that important or unique to begin with, maybe that's why I didn't notice much of a difference here.
Yes, this time around you need to craft things at the smith instead of finding armor pieces, you would find the resources in the chests that let you craft an armor piece, rare pieces of ore for example. But that doesn't mean the resources in the chests are worthless, if you want to level other gear, you'll need those resources to try out different builds. If you are locked into a build you like, I can see that being meaningless to you though.
Yeah, we're very far apart in our final opinions here, but that's fine. Can't expect everyone to have the same experience as you do.
I'm going to need to see a breakdown of these contradictions, because nothing is jumping out at me at the moment. Is there a review or video you can recommend that shows these?
I didn't notice much of a difference in the layout of the battles this time around, we seemed to be getting attacked everywhere, even during cutscenes.
I feel like the characters are constantly talking to each other this time around, the story has meaningful beats even while you and you're companion are just climbing a wall. Mimir and Freya's in Svartalfheim and Vanaheim stick out to me in this way.
I don't remember the puzzles in 2018 being all that important or unique to begin with, maybe that's why I didn't notice much of a difference here.
Yes, this time around you need to craft things at the smith instead of finding armor pieces, you would find the resources in the chests that let you craft an armor piece, rare pieces of ore for example. But that doesn't mean the resources in the chests are worthless, if you want to level other gear, you'll need those resources to try out different builds. If you are locked into a build you like, I can see that being meaningless to you though.
Yeah, we're very far apart in our final opinions here, but that's fine. Can't expect everyone to have the same experience as you do.
I love it when people that don't live in the UK and have probably never read a single issue of Edge magazine get their score expectations adjusted by the difference in scoring scale and perspective offered by Edge.
It's not about Edge being Edgy it's about almost every other online publication being far too lenient and generous.
When a review is written for print the writer has a looser deadline and more time to pause, think and play the game they're writing about.
The result (in my opinion) is a much more accurate, better review, free from the hot take platitudes and whiplash headlines everyone else aims for. They're not hunting for clicks or views, just quality writing to keep people buying print 'mail order' subscriptions.
And that's what makes Edge the best reviewer for me.
It's not about Edge being Edgy it's about almost every other online publication being far too lenient and generous.
When a review is written for print the writer has a looser deadline and more time to pause, think and play the game they're writing about.
The result (in my opinion) is a much more accurate, better review, free from the hot take platitudes and whiplash headlines everyone else aims for. They're not hunting for clicks or views, just quality writing to keep people buying print 'mail order' subscriptions.
And that's what makes Edge the best reviewer for me.
Personally?
Outside of cutscenes, no chatter for me. Grunts, sighs sure.
Hmmms occasionally.
But I was watching a runaway making their way to a fabled city and man the chatter was just nonstop. Nails on a chalkboard to me.
Allow ambient music to take over, or weighted silences.
But the Woody Allen ramble? Not for me.
There's a site that does exactly what you want, it's called metacritic.
Yeah that's how gear works in Ragnarok. All chest pieces of level 1 require material X to upgrade to level 2, all chest pieces of level 2 require material Y to upgrade to level 3, etc. etc. Same thing for wrist pieces, waist pieces, etc. And you can't find material X, material Y, material Z, etc. until you've reached a certain location in the main story for each, which means that you basically get completely stopped in terms of progression for hours at a time, because you won't be able to equip better gear until you get further in the main story, regardless of how much you explore.
This was not how it worked in God of War 2018. In 2018, you were finding new gear constantly, which helped make exploration so satisfying, because around every corner could be a chest with a great new piece of gear that's either just better stat-wise than what you were currently wearing, or that has a cool new ability or perk. Runic attacks as well were very frequently found throughout 2018, even though for some reason in Ragnarok they hold off on giving you heavy runic attacks until like halfway through the game.
those are big words and id have to think if i wanted to understand it so ill just look at a number and derive my opinion off that
i agree. though i wouldn't call the level design, progression, and pacing "gameplay" I think the gameplay is as good or better. the refinements to the combat are great. the pacing is definitely awful. it's definitely not better in every way. it's better in some ways and not at all in others
Totally, nothing wrong with that. Thanks for having the discussion, and sorry if I came off at all dismissive of your opinion. It's feedback I've gotten before, and I'm working on that. But I enjoy getting into the nitty gritty details behind why we feel the way we do about the game, trying to understand each other's perspective, even if we don't ultimately agree.
Especially when those folks can't bother to engage with the review by reading it so it really is about caring too much about number wang.
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