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E3 PC Gaming Show 2019 is being sponsored by Epic (See EGS Guidelines)
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Being huge and not being well-liked are not mutually exclusive. See for example: Origin before they came up with Access as a USP.
If that is the case then it would be cause for sadness.
It essentially means corporate fuckery yields great rewards. It also doesn't meant it will be liked, EA is a successful company that regularly rates high in the most disliked companies in the world.
Maybe with a real backer the show will actually be worth watching attentively instead of being a background listen
Yeah and they make videogames.
Videogames.
Its not like they are poluting the planet or something.
Are you one of those "its competition regardless if the company buys itself out of the competition" people? Then let me say this. What epic are doing isn't competition. Its called buying its way to root out the competition and not making itself a better avenue for its customers. Now if you really wanna call this 'competition', i'd say its the 'who moneyhatts the most' competition where the company which buys out the exclusives, people, devs the most and which forces the consumer to only use its service WINS. I do not want this sort of competition in the PC gaming space. Epic is not welcome. PC ecosystem has been open and non-enforcing due to its audience not accepting paid stuff which SHOULD be free and where consumer choice is king. Right now Epic games is a huge threat to that, thus they'd be repelled at every instance.
That isn't a rating of the harm or benefit to the planet. It is a reflection of their unpopularity within the markets in which they operate. Note that their position in those lists isn't really the issue, it is more that that they're just plain disliked.
If they are with excellent services and pushing innovation then it will be Great.
To be fair, it's not just Epic screwing up PC gaming with their store, it's literally all of the major publishers. EA, Activision/Blizzard, Bethesda, and Ubisoft all have their own download managers and launchers, each with their own account system and variable levels of broken interoperability with Steam.
It's not that Steam shouldn't have competition, but installing 6+ separate portals with their own background services, libraries, user accounts, and so on is untenable. It would be like if Spotify suddenly lost every major label, and each major label had their own separate app with incompatible playlists.
Epic isn't solving that problem. They're just becoming another major publisher.
It's not that Steam shouldn't have competition, but installing 6+ separate portals with their own background services, libraries, user accounts, and so on is untenable. It would be like if Spotify suddenly lost every major label, and each major label had their own separate app with incompatible playlists.
Epic isn't solving that problem. They're just becoming another major publisher.
Nothing wrong with what Durante and others have said about PCGamer. People have thought this for literally months on here and been punished with bans sometimes because of their coverage and now the truth comes out and people don't want to accept that they were wrong so are pushing back against the people who are calling it out, trying to reframe the argument to make them look cuh-razy and make another thing punishable.
It's especially telling coming from the former mod who was caught literally trolling the Steam community on this forum until it was forced to turn into something else. Talk about bias.
It's especially telling coming from the former mod who was caught literally trolling the Steam community on this forum until it was forced to turn into something else. Talk about bias.
Not-at-all bold prediction: Rune Raganrok will be there, formally confirmed as an EGS exclusive (their announcement that "they've received additional funding and will be skipping Early Access" from a month ago and subsequent dodging of any questions regarding Steam does make this one a safe bet).
It's fine to have an own launcher for your own games. Nobody is complaining that Fortnite is exclusive to the EGS.
I'm a self-declared progressive that has amassed a collection of over 2500+ games supporting a company that also shamelessly sells toxic shit called "FEMINAZI: The Triggering". Corporate fuckery yields great rewards indeed. We are all hypocrites to some extent because nothing we ever engage with will fully align with our preferences. Companies will never be your friends and you make a big mistake "liking" any one of them at all. Don't put corporations on a pedestal - them be called Valve nor Epic. Be wary of them all equally.
Epic games is everywhere now. Steam really needs to do something before this gets out of hand..
The argument against exclusivity is the driving force behind anti-EGS sentiment.
Features and availability are separate and secondary.
All of this is bullshit if you don't at least suspect PC Gamer having some sort of positive bias towards Epic Games.
You can't convince me that PC Gamer is unbiased towards Epic Games, especially with this recent announcement.
Also, whether or not you think PC Gamer didn't violate any 'code of ethics,' their brand of journalism fucking sucks and I won't support it.
I don't think it's kosher for a gaming media outlet to be partnering with a major gaming brand without putting up big honkin' disclaimers in their articles that invoke said brand or its competitors. Surely this isn't a controversial position to take or of a vilifying nature? We expect as much from influencers, of all things.
PCGamer confirmed SEGA denied an invitation because the "timing wasn't right"
Scroll up the thread.
Valve's best course of action is to wait it out and just focus on what they're doing on Steam. They don't need to take Sweeny's bullshit baits.
Two giant corporations battling it out "Console Warz!" style in the PC gaming landscape would be terrible.
You'd think but some forum posters literally advocate for laissez-faire capitalism for corporations on this topic and others. They literally believe as long as it isn't overtly criminal and proven without a shadow of a doubt, it's all fair and the 'entitled' consumer be damned. "LOL That's just business bruv, and you are being naive" like a real edgelord who knows how the really real world is.
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I'll explain the reference: yesterday displayed a message that read "The Epic Games Store Megasale is happening right now! Sign up for 2FA to get $10 to spend in the store.". I can't tell if handing out store credit for functionally nothing is supreme confidence or supreme desperation.
It's buried in the
I'm assuming 'minimal involvement' means we won't see new ports announced by Sega at the show.
I'd consider that more in the realm of negligence. Which beats fuckery.
This was absurdly obvious, made even more obvious by the bizarre one sided discussions of the service by PC Gamer.
I'm sure there will be some great games there, many of which are will be artificially exclusive to Epic's store. Just an ever growing list of games I can't get, most of which are quickly made redundant by so many other games available on better services.
Other events will pick up the opportunity to showcase other games
I'm sure there will be some great games there, many of which are will be artificially exclusive to Epic's store. Just an ever growing list of games I can't get, most of which are quickly made redundant by so many other games available on better services.
Other events will pick up the opportunity to showcase other games
At the very least, Yakuza 3-6 plus Judgement, then presumably the Taxman remasters of Sonic 1 and 2 and possibly even Colors and Unleashed. That's just the ones I'm hoping for, anyway.
these types of incentives still feel completely irrelevant to overall market growth though. Companies should do things like this because it's very very hard to convince customers to secure their access to their games without doing so. A $10 coupon doesn't throw a scent of desperation of arrogance to me. Just a deal that helps a customer put their account into an indisputably more secure state. Which is why I brought up the WoW/steamguard examples and why I can probably find other similar deals from companies who don't get called desperate for doing so.
Oh okay my bad
It's buried in thehowling pit of wounded fanboyscomment section but their community rep had this to say:
I'm assuming 'minimal involvement' means we won't see new ports announced by Sega at the show.
Feels like important information that should be in OP
The backlash won't die out. People who game on PC let Microsoft have it when it came to Games for Windows Live (and the Windows Store upon release).
It was effective in that GFWL is no longer a thing and that Microsoft is continuously improving the Windows Store (in a much more-consumer friendly way that Epic I'll add).
I really cannot believe how apparently nobody at PC Gamer pointed how fucking AWFUL this looks.
It almost doesn't matter anymore whether any of the positive Epic articles were paid for (which I'm confident they weren't) because from now on nobody can take them serious anymore when it comes to Epic.
It almost doesn't matter anymore whether any of the positive Epic articles were paid for (which I'm confident they weren't) because from now on nobody can take them serious anymore when it comes to Epic.
As long as as get good games, I really don't care what app I have to open to buy it.
So, here's hope for a great conference!
So, here's hope for a great conference!
What's "fine"? Legal? Morally ok? "Good for consumers"?
I'm talking mainly about convenience/user-friendliness, and by that standard I don't think it's fine. I think it fractures the user experience and makes PC gaming significantly more complicated than console gaming. It's annoying enough on console when a game requires me to make a game/publisher-specific login rather than use the platform's account system. On PC the fracture is closer to if you had to launch your games from a publisher-specific app in Playstation's "Applications" section rather than from the top menu. And the apps have no awareness of other games in the system, of your friends list, of the party system, etc.
Steam has been working on solving these problems and making PC gaming more cohesive. MS has done work like this, but most gamers agree those efforts have been bad. That's it. Nobody else is trying to make the overall experience of gaming on PC smoother. Just a few massive companies trying to keep more of their profits without regard to the overall experience.
I've never seen any store hand out store credit without expecting the end user to buy something first. Given that it's been advertised in the Fortnite client, that's potentially millions of dollars that Epic's going to have to pay out to other devs (assuming you can't buy V-bucks with the credit). For comparison, last year Valve had a sale whereby you got a $5 discount on your first purchase of $50 or more. Basic maths would reveal that Valve could afford the discount out of their own cut (and they did confirm to developers that they would be wholly funding the promotion out of the store's cut).
I've never seen anyone in the PC space attempt such a transparent loss-leader.
I get what you're saying but it's rarely if ever brought up in threads about Microsoft's games or hardware
Fine by me. Hopefully we see some sweet PC games and not just Epic gobbling up games that have been previously announced for Steam, which has been like 90 percent of their modus operandi so far.
This is even funnier when they at same time people on "otherside" were dismissing people's claims that EGS is bad because was NOT available at China at that time with "It does not affect you" (including saying this to persons who actually live in China). And that was cool.
That was one of the more prominent reasons nobody liked the mandatory Kinect in the initial Xbox One package. Of course, we now live in a world where people actively buy Amazon Echos and Google Home smart-speakers, without concern about who could be potentially listening to the voice recordings, but that's a different discussion.
I think we disagree on the need to specifically spell this out. I don't feel the need to add a mention to my post that " I am referring to issues that any reasonable adult person would consider open to debate".
I mean yes. Obviously. Coupons are meant to incentivize purchases and facilitate recurring revenue from a customer who has cleared the first giant hurdle of all e-commerce, entering a credit card. Every form of marketing from base discounts to virtual tchotchke to affiliate programs very obviously costs money, an equation clearly factored into every steam coupon clogging up my inventory or Wario64 tweet in my timeline. That's why twitch let people renew gift subscriptions at an 80% discount. I expect this from services in 2019 and don't see a cartoonish mustachio'd villain creeping behind a shadowy pillar laughing as I browse such offers. Attributing ulterior motives to this stuff is a big 'yeah no shit' moment, Epic is doing what most big service based companies do.
Epic is swinging really hard with the sheer dollar values involved but if they have those cash reserves I don't see why they shouldn't be swinging for the fences here.
Lol thats fine, i still wont buy from egs. Also, pc show is always shit, nothing interesting besides a few shitty pc point and click exclusives
I think Jeff still has that shirt.Just think I should post this here as a friendly reminder regarding a certain conversation in this thread.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/10-years-since-jeff-gerstmann-was-fired-from-gamespot.8496/
It's not exactly Conspiracy Theory to say that media outlets are going to have a different editorial direction on certain topics when the subject of an article is their biggest sponsor.
Frankly, there does come a point where "swinging really hard" does start looking like "is desperate for people to shop at their store".
We all know rdr2 will be epic exclusive, so at this point who gives a shit. Epic will keep doing it while they can, at one point it will stop. I will never buy a game from them having an option to do it somewhere else.
So let them do their shit, it all comes back in life.
So let them do their shit, it all comes back in life.