In handsight after years and years, yes. But I always find it easy to speak loud and when it comes to it back down, and imo that is what Klaver did
But we will see tonight I voted Timmermans because I am against the right
Dutch general elections are in two days time and things are...interesting.
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But we will see tonight I voted Timmermans because I am against the right
I think once the hormones wear off and they start building relationships with more people than their direct circle at school, their views will settle differently.
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It is indeed....
Decided to follow my heart and vote Bij1. I think enough people are voting strategically this time and Bij1 is simply on the moral right side of history.
Keep in mind, this election was held among high schoold ánd MBOs, but not HBO/WO. So lower education levels are overrepresented, and that 13% number for FvD could literally be all 12-year olds. Not only are 12-year olds idiots, they also know it's not a serious election so you're going to see a LOT of meme votes. Most of those have gone towards Baudet, who targets Tiktok relentlessly, has been doing Minecraft streams and has as such taken over the baton as the "funny politics guy" from Wilders, who would otherwise win in a landslide (note Wilders will get close to 20% in the real election, apparently even meme votes can't help him match that number among schoolchildren).
The most scary part is the Scholierenverkiezing. Our future is fucked with this new right generation.
Not saying there's no reason to be worried. FvD is definitely more popular with kids than adults, DENK at 7% worries me, but honestly VVD matching GL/PvdA among kids is the most worrying sign. Still, you can't really draw any conclusions based on these numbers.
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Voted for Partij voor de Dieren.
Considered a strategic PvdA-GL vote but I figured lots of other people are already doing that and those votes aren't all coming from the NSC but rather from other left wing parties. PvdD already dropped to 5 seats in yesterday's poll, after spending months at a stable 6, and I'd hate to see them drop lower.
Considered a strategic PvdA-GL vote but I figured lots of other people are already doing that and those votes aren't all coming from the NSC but rather from other left wing parties. PvdD already dropped to 5 seats in yesterday's poll, after spending months at a stable 6, and I'd hate to see them drop lower.
I've never vote strategically (started D66 and moved ever more leftwards) and this might be the first time I would do so, indeed to stop Wilders from leading the pack.
At the same time I'm seeing alot of people on the left switching strategically so that gives room back to ensure some of the other important left sounds are being heard as well. Still doubting then between Bij1, PvdD and PvdA/GL, going to the voting booth in about an hour or so.
Hoping for some kind of PvdA/GL, NSC, D66, PvdD, Volt, SP coalition but the numbers are probably not there anymore (67 to 68 according to recent polls).
The most scary part is the Scholierenverkiezing. Our future is fucked with this new right generation.
we already covered this a bit yesterday in this thread... a lot of kids voted FvD/PVV to just screw around.
I never blamed Klaver for this. Rutte never wanted GL in his coalition so he forced a break on that particular issue.
If Klaver had folded on immigration, Rutte would have just forced the next issue.
Actually I congratulate Klaver, because they felt the tandem of VVD,CDA,D66 where giving him to less. Say scraps sinds they already made a coalition deal, and wanted to give the 4th party a small thing for them to sign.
Guess if they negotiated from the start with GL they might have gotten enough compromises to say yes.
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Jesus Christ, 35 for the PVV...
VVD less than PvdA-GL at least. BBB 7 is nice too, as is 3 for the FVD and 1 for JA21.
Unfortunately only 4 for PvdD.
VVD less than PvdA-GL at least. BBB 7 is nice too, as is 3 for the FVD and 1 for JA21.
Unfortunately only 4 for PvdD.
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with people in this country.
At least a PvdA-GL - VVD - NSC - D66 coalition is possible I guess? Since nobody wants to actually partner with the PVV.
At least a PvdA-GL - VVD - NSC - D66 coalition is possible I guess? Since nobody wants to actually partner with the PVV.
This is looking quite terrible, it might mean we end up with a racist Putin loving asshole as PM. Although I'm wondering which parties really want to work with him
Someone should remind Yesilgoz about the racist remarks of Wilders about her last election.
Yeah, not a fan of that exit poll, things can still change though.
Heck, I can see any coalition fall real fast once they figure out what kind of person Wilders truly is. Wannabe dictator will let this go to his head and will start spouting inhumane shit. Moreso than before.
Heck, I can see any coalition fall real fast once they figure out what kind of person Wilders truly is. Wannabe dictator will let this go to his head and will start spouting inhumane shit. Moreso than before.
Exit polls tend to be fairly accurate though, like 2-3 seats off tends to be the maximum.
Yep, my only solace is that there still needs to be a coalition so most of the 'extreme' stuff will get watered down a bit. But still.. massive sigh.
That feels like an almost impossible coalition to make work. VVD is going to fold to the PVV 100 %, they will get much more of the things they want that way.
Wonder how quickly Yesilgoz and Omtzigt will flip and suddenly be fine with a coalition with Wilders.
Good lord, this is terrible. Prime minister Wilders, seriously? I mean, it's a lot better than FvD, but Christ people...
Thanks, Rutte, hope it was all worth it for you to keep clinging to power for so long at all cost.
Thanks, Rutte, hope it was all worth it for you to keep clinging to power for so long at all cost.
Plus, we apparently don't care about the environment or climate either. (much like the rest of the world I guess..).
I know. Ugh. We'll see though, cause it might be that less people decided to participate in this poll, for whatever reason, and the PVV voters are just more vocal. Not happy with this development at all. :(
At this point you can only hope that people who voted for parties such as the VVD and NSC will make it extremely clear that they wont forgive their party's leadership if they go with Wilders. If not, a prime minister who wants to exit the EU and basically ban Islam is a real possibility.
Our Trump moment. PVV - VVD - NSC coalition is going to ruin alot of things. The hope is that after things going to shit the 'people' will come back to their senses again (yeah right).
Doing nothing about the migration issues biting us in the ass. The deciding issue making people go to PVV.
Doing nothing about the migration issues biting us in the ass. The deciding issue making people go to PVV.
Only thing I'm happy about is that VVD is 3rd behind even the PvdA-GL. Still 23 seats too many, but finally they got slightly punished for years of garbage politics. Yesilgoz was so confident she was going to be the PM.
Gonna assume we'll get a PVV - VVD - NSC coalition and it will collapse before the end of next year.
Gonna assume we'll get a PVV - VVD - NSC coalition and it will collapse before the end of next year.
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I wanna say that Wilders just gobbled up all the reactionary right wing votes, as a response to the lead that GL-PvdA was building up. Away from BBB and FvD and stuff. So it might not all be racism motivated...
But even then it's still people voting for a racist asshole, who said way too much racist and gross shit. So I fully agree, this is utterly sickening.
Apperently 70 % of vvd voters want them to collaborate with the pvv. I have no hope the vvd will keep him out.
It's not sudden, it's been in the works for decades now. Media conglomerates being bought bought and run by (ultra-)conservatives, who then say what kind of stuff you as a viewer can watch, what kind of news items you get in front of you etc. The continued lying to the point where people start to believe things must be true, it's all by design.
It's fucked up.
I think if PVV would have just barely won, other parties could have ignored Wilders, but at 35 seats, it's only logical that they'll be allowed not only the first attempt, but multiple (months of) attempts to form a coalition.
Plus, if Wilders will not be in the coalition, what will happen next election? A coaltion with other parties will have to do a damn good job (for once) with such a strong opposition. Any misstep will only make PVV bigger, unless some scandals about the PVV chamber members come out and / or they break up or so.
Plus, if Wilders will not be in the coalition, what will happen next election? A coaltion with other parties will have to do a damn good job (for once) with such a strong opposition. Any misstep will only make PVV bigger, unless some scandals about the PVV chamber members come out and / or they break up or so.
