StereoVSN

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It's not so much outdated as deliberate sabotage. Older Dragon Quest games had synthesised soundtracks but they used better sounding instruments, even on the SNES.

An orchestrated sound track isn't even necessary. If we got MIDI the same quality as a nearly 20 year-old game like Chrono Cross no one would be complaining.
Yeah, it's not just MIDI, which is already terrible in 2018, but it's badly arranged and synthesized MIDI, which is inexcusable in 2018. Frankly it's making me postponing buying the game till decent enough sales. It's ridiculous that SE puts up with that shit and makes its customers put up with that shit.
 

StereoVSN

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Their reasoning for not bringing the 3DS version makes no sense and is a bit disrespectful to people that brought their games in the last years. My will to buy this game completely vanished in the last weeks.
To be fair to SE, DQ VII/VIII sales were reported to be pretty bad I believe. That was in 2017. I can't see sales for DQXI in 2018 in the West to be any better and probably worse. SE still runs a business so how much sense does it make for them to release it? It's really up to Nintendo if they want it.

PC/PS4 and later Switch are 3 major platforms. This should cover vast majority of people who want the game.
 

HockeyBird

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Square Enix has mismanaged this game completely. DQ XI should have been out in the West a long time ago. They were wishy washy about it even being released in the West. We're not getting the 3DS version because of it. They are releasing the game in a crowded September. They announced a Switch version early on, setting up high expectations, even though they are now claiming they made the announcement without knowing anything about the hardware. Now they are making excuses as to why it's a long way off. They obviously DQ to be a hit in the west but it's amazing how Square has attempted to torpedo their own franchise.
 

NSESN

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To be fair to SE, DQ VII/VIII sales were reported to be pretty bad I believe. That was in 2017. I can't see sales for DQXI in 2018 in the West to be any better and probably worse. SE still runs a business so how much sense does it make for them to release it? It's really up to Nintendo if they want it.

PC/PS4 and later Switch are 3 major platforms. This should cover vast majority of people who want the game.
SE didn't even publish the remakes, they using that as a reason makes no sense.
 

Velezcora

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I guess people here are just confused there can be people who prefer pixel art 2D visual to meh 3D visual..

The pixel art in Dragon Quest has always been "meh" when compared to what other companies were doing on the SNES so this is just double standard.


I think I'll wait a week after the PS4 version comes out and get a pre-owned copy at GameStop - Just because Square Enix snubbed 3DS owners. I really wanted that version localized.

SE is just going to interpret that lost sale as people not wanting DQ in the west so thanks for damning us all because you didn't get one version you wanted.
 

Ys45

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no 3Ds version is a bummer I wanted to play both version (especially the 16 bits mode) but oh well at least we are getting it .

Whats the deal with music? I have not followed the game too closely because I'm in a blackout for this game.
Don't tell me it's midi quality music instead of orchestral?
 
no 3Ds version is a bummer I wanted to play both version (especially the 16 bits mode) but oh well at least we are getting it .

Whats the deal with music? I have not followed the game too closely because I'm in a blackout for this game.
Don't tell me it's midi quality music instead of orchestral?
It's not that it's just MIDI, it's that it's pretty crappy MIDI to boot.
 

Ys45

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It's not that it's just MIDI, it's that it's pretty crappy MIDI to boot.

wwaaa ? what year are we?
We are talking about the PS4 and this is SE we are talking about not a little indie dev studio...

That's pretty lame... Oh let me guess there is an orchestral version of the OST which you can buy?

Fake edit : yup there's one !
 

fiendcode

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To be fair to SE, DQ VII/VIII sales were reported to be pretty bad I believe. That was in 2017. I can't see sales for DQXI in 2018 in the West to be any better and probably worse. SE still runs a business so how much sense does it make for them to release it? It's really up to Nintendo if they want it.

PC/PS4 and later Switch are 3 major platforms. This should cover vast majority of people who want the game.
This point is usually countered by the fact that DQH, DQH2 and DQB sales were equally as bad in the west. Yet DQXI is still coming over on PS4, Steam and Switch, the same platforms where every previous DQ effort also bombed.

The reality is SE just isn't interested in 3DS overseas and never really has been. Even Bravely Default selling huge in the west didn't change their mind, this isn't a case of the numbers suddenly proving them right. It's just them behaving like they always have.
 
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Square Enix has mismanaged this game completely. DQ XI should have been out in the West a long time ago. They were wishy washy about it even being released in the West. We're not getting the 3DS version because of it. They are releasing the game in a crowded September. They announced a Switch version early on, setting up high expectations, even though they are now claiming they made the announcement without knowing anything about the hardware. Now they are making excuses as to why it's a long way off. They obviously DQ to be a hit in the west but it's amazing how Square has attempted to torpedo their own franchise.

This just isn't true though. It was always assumed to be coming. The 3ds version isn't coming because the 3ds is a dead console. Why would they take the risk to localize the 3ds game over here when it's going to bomb hard? Who is buying 3ds games besides Pokemon?

And I mean the switch version isn't out in Japan so not sure why that would come out here first.
 
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While the switch delay bums me out, I'm excited about the PC version. Wasn't even expecting them to port it to PC, hopefully it sells well.
 

HockeyBird

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This just isn't true though. It was always assumed to be coming. The 3ds version isn't coming because the 3ds is a dead console. Why would they take the risk to localize the 3ds game over here when it's going to bomb hard? Who is buying 3ds games besides Pokemon?

And I mean the switch version isn't out in Japan so not sure why that would come out here first.

Assumed and an actual announcement are not the same thing. Square could have announced a worldwide release when they first announced DQ11 like many other games do. They could have released both the PS4 and 3DS versions in the Fall of last year. But they didn't. They meandered and half-committed. So what I said is true. You are making excuses for Square's mismanagement.
 
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This just isn't true though. It was always assumed to be coming. The 3ds version isn't coming because the 3ds is a dead console. Why would they take the risk to localize the 3ds game over here when it's going to bomb hard? Who is buying 3ds games besides Pokemon?

And I mean the switch version isn't out in Japan so not sure why that would come out here first.
Well they published and localized Vita games, even well after the Vita was known to be 6 feet under so I'm not sure I can take the reasoning too seriously
 
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This just isn't true though. It was always assumed to be coming. The 3ds version isn't coming because the 3ds is a dead console. Why would they take the risk to localize the 3ds game over here when it's going to bomb hard? Who is buying 3ds games besides Pokemon?

And I mean the switch version isn't out in Japan so not sure why that would come out here first.
How is the 3DS a dead console when it had the best december in years in 2017? They launched WoFF and DQ Builders on Vita here, even though the same was undead. The 3DS isn't setting the charts on fire but that doesn't mean that isn't selling hardware/games. If anything, a 3DS/Switch release with a marketing deal with Nintendo would do wonders for the game, as Ninty would had put on a Nintendo Direct(which is a huge marketing tool for hype and awareness) and Switch/3DS isn't crowded with big games on September, unlike PS4/PC.
 

Setzer

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Jesus christ you guys are way too hyperbolic about the music. Would it be better to have the orchestral music? Of course it would. But talking about it as if it's the worst thing in the world is a bit over the top imo, and I'm getting tired of seeing it in every single DQXI thread. As someone who put somewhere between 15-20 hours in the japanese version, it's totally fine the way it is.

Glad someone said it.
 

MisterR

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If that's the case then DQXI should probably stay JP exclusive in general.
SE disagrees. They've likely seen Japanese games thriving on the PS4 and Steam sales the last couple of years and probably think coming back to console, this is a chance to maybe break through in the West. They may well be wrong, but if you get past the salt, it's really easy to figure out their thought process. The 3DS is a dead end at this point.
 

fiendcode

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SE disagrees. They've likely seen Japanese games thriving on the PS4 and Steam sales the last couple of years and probably think coming back to console, this is a chance to maybe break through in the West. They may well be wrong, but if you get past the salt, it's really easy to figure out their thought process. The 3DS is a dead end at this point.
SE doesn't disagree on anything since they've never cited past DQ sales as any reasoning at all. They're simply behaving as usual regarding platform publishing, which actually tends to ignore their past sales performance on each.
 
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SE disagrees. They've likely seen Japanese games thriving on the PS4 and Steam sales the last couple of years and probably think coming back to console, this is a chance to maybe break through in the West. They may well be wrong, but if you get past the salt, it's really easy to figure out their thought process. The 3DS is a dead end at this point.
But a system like the Vita wasn't when they published and localized games for it in the West? It's not as if publishing and localizing 3DS games takes away from the PS4/PC releases anyways
 
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Well they published and localized Vita games, even well after the Vita was known to be 6 feet under so I'm not sure I can take the reasoning too seriously

How is the 3DS a dead console when it had the best december in years in 2017? They launched WoFF and DQ Builders on Vita here, even though the same was undead. The 3DS isn't setting the charts on fire but that doesn't mean that isn't selling hardware/games. If anything, a 3DS/Switch release with a marketing deal with Nintendo would do wonders for the game, as Ninty would had put on a Nintendo Direct(which is a huge marketing tool for hype and awareness) and Switch/3DS isn't crowded with big games on September, unlike PS4/PC.

Woff and Dq builders on Vita are a different case though. The only reason we got those was because it was trivial to bring it out since both those are direct ports of the ps4 and have the same localization.

Dq on 3ds is basically a different game, so it's probably a lot more work than bringing woff to vita
 
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Woff and Dq builders on Vita are a different case though. The only reason we got those was because it was trivial to bring it out since both those are direct ports of the ps4 and have the same localization.

Dq on 3ds is basically a different game, so it's probably a lot more work than bringing woff to vita
DQ XI on the 3DS is still practically done, save for the translation, and the vast majority of the dialogue should be nearly indistinguishable between the two versions anyways so even that shouldn't really be a big issue...not to mention smaller publishers and developers can pull that off just fine. That and Square Enix isn't even bothering to publish direct ports for the Switch either. I don't think this has anything to do with how much work it would take and more to do with which platforms and companies they prefer
 
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Woff and Dq builders on Vita are a different case though. The only reason we got those was because it was trivial to bring it out since both those are direct ports of the ps4 and have the same localization.

Dq on 3ds is basically a different game, so it's probably a lot more work than bringing woff to vita
??? The script is basically the same on 3DS. The only localization job would probably be the 29 Dungeons. And the 3DS version would be far cheap, as lack of voicework wouldn't be a diminishing factor. If WoFF is trivial, DQ XI is even more trivial, as in both cases, the games have the same script on both consoles.
 

Velezcora

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Who am I kidding, I'll pick up the PS4 version day one, and even order a copy of the Japanese 3DS version.

But I'm still allowed to vent :/

Well yeah venting is perfectly fine and I can understand being upset that they're ignoring the 3DS version. I'd pick it up if they brought it out over here.
It just bugs me when people think not buying the game would help when it just make things much worse. Getting DQ games over here already is like pulling teeth when it comes to Square. Even thought companies like NISA and Atlus are capable of bringing out and making a profit on much less quality nicher games.