How it is new when they're just trying to drag up his past? He's been long over that since the 90's.It's cool to see they're trying something new with Vegeta's character beyond the "look, he's a good father and person now, don't you get it!?" bit he's been trapped in since the end of the Buu saga. And, even though I have never been the biggest fan of how Beerus was inserted into the Freeza/Saiyan story, I did like how Beerus himself and the reveal was handled in this chapter.
New dragon is adorable ya'll. But I'll echo the sentiment that it's clearly too weak to grant the wish directly. Even the last panel sort of looked like the dragon was surprised Granolah thought they could do it.
Namekian lore stuff about how they originated in a different universe was interesting. Maybe they're from one of the universes that Zeno destroyed? The place where Zalama is from?
Honestly, credit where credit is due, I'm really into this arc.
How it is new when they're just trying to drag up his past? He's been long over that since the 90's.
I think the wish won't work for the reasons you stated, and Granola will instead wish to know how to do so, and the dragon will explain the super dragon balls to him.Kind of a lot of retcons this chapter, but I'll allow them as they fix DB's world building problem of a bizarrely barren unconnected universe.
Not sure what Two-ey Dragon is gonna do/permit. Zamasu needed the Super Dragon Balls (who made THEM I wonder?? Edit: Oh, Zalama? forgot all about him) to swap bodies with Goku, but maybe that was overkill? Maybe 2-balls will let Granoloh swap bodies with Broly? Thats about the only thing that makes sense beyond Granoloh just being given UI hacks from a wish, which seems to break previous Wish limitations.
Feels like we've been getting teases of Piccolo getting a potential upgrade all throughout Super with no execution thus far as well. Probably another dead end huh.
I think the wish won't work for the reasons you stated, and Granola will instead wish to know how to do so, and the dragon will explain the super dragon balls to him.
I wonder if there is any significance with the new namekian. They made a point of saying how old he was.
How did he react?Chapter is out
we finally have Vegeta learning that Beerus ordered Freeza to destroy planet Vegeta
Lashed out in anger and tried to fight him.
Gonna assume the two ball powered dragon is really weak and will only be able to tell Granoloh where the strongest warrior in the universe is. Not turn him into the strongest. Naturally this means the return of Monaka.Kind of a lot of retcons this chapter, but I'll allow them as they fix DB's world building problem of a bizarrely barren unconnected universe.
Not sure what Two-ey Dragon is gonna do/permit. Zamasu needed the Super Dragon Balls (who made THEM I wonder?? Edit: Oh, Zalama? forgot all about him) to swap bodies with Goku, but maybe that was overkill? Maybe 2-balls will let Granoloh swap bodies with Broly? Thats about the only thing that makes sense beyond Granoloh just being given UI hacks from a wish, which seems to break previous Wish limitations.
Feels like we've been getting teases of Piccolo getting a potential upgrade all throughout Super with no execution thus far as well. Probably another dead end huh.
Ugh, that doesn't even make sense
I've long since made peace with the fact that Dragon Ball is a series where the least interesting possible outcomes are the ones they'll use, and people will still enjoy it.
Vegeta acting rash in anger doesn't make sense?
In this context yes it doesn't
How so? Because he's being trained by him?
He doesn't care about the Saiyans.
He does care, he just thinks Saiyans deserved what they got, but now he learns that it wasn't something they did, that it wasn't really "destiny", just Beerus and one of his random whims. Also, Vegeta knows that Beerus didn't like Saiyans because of a pillow...
Agreed, I didn''t see the issue with itIf Vegeta is brooding next chapter about the Saiyans, then yeah, Toyo dropped the ball.
But in the context of this chapter, I thought Vegeta snapping after Beerus started (from Vegeta's perspective) attacking him for no reason, and then dropped "btw I'm responsible for the thing that almost got you killed alongside your home on a whim lol" was fine?
Could be that namekian they were referencing at one point, monaito I think was the name.Nice world building in this chapter. I expect to see Frieza and possibly Broly. I still wonder who created the Super Dragonballs. That person must be hella strong.
At the start it was said this arc was based on a Toriyama outline. The oddity so far though is that all character designs seem to be from Toyotaro.Did Toriyama contribute to this arc or is it all Toyo? It'd feel weird to me to have all these retcons without Toriyama involved.
Probably will be since last time there was 'consequence' with Merus it was hand-waved away at the end anyway.