Sorry but I'm a little tired of this.
So you don't think trying to say 60 fps isn't noticeable over 30fps and then going on about power consumption and our planet is troll-like behaviour?
There's reaching and then there's whatever Gusy did
So you don't think trying to say 60 fps isn't noticeable over 30fps and then going on about power consumption and our planet is troll-like behaviour?
There's reaching and then there's whatever Gusy did
... that's not his point.
The person he's arguing with is saying that 30fps (and the reduced graphical settings) make this the worst version, period. Not worst looking or worst performing, but just plain "worst". The power consumption rebuttal is literally him just finding a technically correct and quantifiable example of something this version does better than the others.
To be fair, the alt-right themselves have amplified the argument by believing the game WAS pandering to them, and getting YouTube to bombard everyone with their videos about "angry SJW libtards".I think it's important to balance the (very real and important concerns) people may have with some kind of background - I.E., id Software are most likely not Nazis or alt-right assholes, they're just poking fun at the "evil corporation" trope. As evidenced by the writing in their previous games.
I haven't seen anyone say this in this thread.
Sorry but I'm a little tired of this.
Yes, 60fps is definitely noticeable over 30. Yes, of course, Switch version will be technically inferior to more powerful consoles versions.
But there are other reasons than spec superiority or inferiority that can lead people to choose a version of a game.
He's technically right from a tech standpoint, but I've never had 30fps actively ruin a game for me tbh, it'll play fine on the switch.... that's not his point.
The person he's arguing with is saying that 30fps (and the reduced graphical settings) make this the worst version, period. Not worst looking or worst performing, but just plain "worst". The power consumption rebuttal is literally him just finding a technically correct and quantifiable example of something this version does better than the others.
To be fair, the alt-right themselves have amplified the argument by believing the game WAS pandering to them, and getting YouTube to bombard everyone with their videos about "angry SJW libtards".
He's technically right from a tech standpoint, but I've never had 30fps actively ruin a game for me tbh, it'll play fine on the switch.
Going from some gamefaqs 30 fps vs 60 fps discussion/argument to power consumption and the impact it has on the planet is a monumental leap though.
I know, but people aren't infallible at finding sources, and it's not a stretch to think some people would believe those things are endorsed by the gamemakers after seeing how the alt-righters are gleeing over it.These are also the same people who convinced themselves, without any evidence, that a restaurant in DC was actually a secret pedophile ring.
They will spin anything to fit their narrative, no matter what. We should not be giving these people or what they think any credence.
The person he's arguing with is saying that 30fps (and the reduced graphical settings) make this the worst version, period. Not worst looking or worst performing, but just plain "worst". The power consumption rebuttal is literally him just finding a technically correct and quantifiable example of something this version does better than the others.
I guess I should just be more specific and say "when it comes to the actual game experience, the Switch version is objectively the worst." Things like portability and power consumption exist outside of the game experience.
I guess I should just be more specific and say "when it comes to the actual game experience, the Switch version is objectively the worst." Things like portability and power consumption exist outside of the game experience.
Are you fucking serious right now? It's a motherfucking doom game!In the fifteen minutes I watched I got that idea, yes. First time, I raised an eyebrow. But the second time I had to conclude this was very much a thing that was happening. As a fan of the reboot and Bethesda's many other games, I welcome any attempts on their part at convincing me I got the wrong idea. The material shown so far hasn't done so.
Yes, I'm serious. Why so angry?Are you fucking serious right now? It's a motherfucking doom game!
Because it's a doom game. There are no politics in a damn doom game. You kill demons. That's the game. If you are trying to insert politics in a doom game you are just trolling.
id Software says they are taking the Switch into account when developing this game and engine, hopefully this means the comparison is closer to "Base XBOX One Fortnite vs Switch Fortnite" than to "Base XBOX One Wolfenstein II vs Switch Wolfenstein II".The switch version is going to absolutely suck from a technical point of view if compared to every other machines except for the xbox1 which I expect not to be that far off (it was already struggling with Wolfenstein 2). It is no news that the switch isn't as powerful, and that's the cost of hybrid gaming.
But the switch will probably have gyro aiming, and that only is a game changer for those who have tried it and gotten good with it. Even at 30fps, the skill ceiling using gyro aiming is miles ahead of anything else except mouse and keyboard. For people like me, gyro is the best and only way to play on consoles. If gyro is implemented on ps4, it'll be the ultimate console version, no discussion. If it isn't, then the debate is only about personal preferences. I made my choice in that regard.
The first game already had a plot, and lore, and of course politics. It was deeply anti-corporate, which is why DOOM Eternal is most likely making fun at how corporations hijack progressive language, but of course there are politics. There's a set of embedded political assumptions in everything.Because it's a doom game. There are no politics in a damn doom game. You kill demons. That's the game. If you are trying to insert politics in a doom game you are just trolling.
I didn't make Doom political now. We've had decades of Dooms that were not pandering to the alt-right, can we have that back indeed? Just don't kill the messenger. And btw, accusing me of trolling with this has to be the laziest way of debating this you could have come up with.Because it's a doom game. There are no politics in a damn doom game. You kill demons. That's the game. If you are trying to insert politics in a doom game you are just trolling.
It's not pandering to anything it's a damn doom game. There isn't anything to pander because story isnt ever the point of a doom game. JfcI didn't make Doom political now. We've had decades of Dooms that were not pandering to the alt-right, can we have that back indeed? Just don't kill the messenger. And btw, accusing me of trolling with this has to be the laziest way of debating this you could have come up with.
This one is no exception save for a few people trying REALLY hard to make it a thing.I didn't make Doom political now. We've had decades of Dooms that were not pandering to the alt-right, can we have that back indeed? Just don't kill the messenger. And btw, accusing me of trolling with this has to be the laziest way of debating this you could have come up with.
Well, I'll be damned, I must be completely schizophrenic because after how much fun I had with Doom 2016 and seeing how great the footage looked I really don't understand why I'm complaining about apparently literally nothing.This one is no exception save for a few people trying REALLY hard to make it a thing.
No need for the snark. BBQ_of_DOOM made a great post on the previous page, which you ignored for some reason.Well, I'll be damned, I must be completely schizophrenic because after how much fun I had with Doom 2016 and seeing how great the footage looked I really don't understand why I'm complaining about apparently literally nothing.
Wait, you were serious with your comment? My apologies, I thought you were being sarcastic.
DOOM 2016 was decidedly anti-corporate, anti-conservative game that had a general message of "corporations suck," "corporate worship is bad," "religion/occult leads to chaos and mayhem," etc.
Here, in DOOM Eternal, if you view the corporations--and thus, the demons--as "the right" in this situation (and I don't know how or why you wouldn't), then the mortally-challenged line could be explained as the "right" trying to normalize what's bad (demons)--think "very good people"--so the people of earth can hand wave the demon invasion. If you look at how the Trump admin has played out so far, we've seen countless examples of this ugly shell game.
"Don't worry about them, they're fine, they're very good people, they just have some challenges."
Could id have used a different phrase? Sure. But I highly, highly doubt they've pivoted from their "fuck demons/corporations" and "fuck Nazis" stance to wanting the alt-right to prop their game up as some mass triggering event for "SJWs."
Just my take.
It's been explained time and time again, but the jokes in that trailer are poking fun at the tendency for businesses to clumsily co-opt progressive terminology and ideas so as to forward their own corporate agenda.I didn't make Doom political now. We've had decades of Dooms that were not pandering to the alt-right, can we have that back indeed? Just don't kill the messenger. And btw, accusing me of trolling with this has to be the laziest way of debating this you could have come up with.
I didn't ignore it because if people were making the smallest effort to read what I said you'd have seen that my position was "I think Bethesda is pandering to the alt-right with the writing in this game after literally two jokes and I'm gonna wait and see and hope that's not the case". BBQ_of_DOOM understood my position and offered a perfectly reasonable alternative take on those jokes, but the conclusion is still the same, isn't it? We'll have to wait and see.No need for the snark. BBQ_of_DOOM made a great post on the previous page, which you ignored for some reason.
The only objectivity I was trying to bring into the discussion is that there's some of us concerned about what we perceived as Bethesda or ID pandering to the alt-right. I never claimed such pandering to be an ultimate truth given that the game isn't even out and we can't really make a definitive judgment on this yet, can we?This phrase really doesn't apply when you're offering your totally subjective opinion, especially when that opinion is based entirely on two lines of background dialogue in a game that hasn't even been released yet.
If you believe, based on what little we've seen, that this game was intentionally designed to appeal to an alt right audience, you're certainly welcome to that opinion, but spinning it as if you're an objective "messenger" reporting a truth that exists outside of your own perceptions is disingenuous.
You've got your take on it and I got mine. Are you really sure you have enough proof yet to dispel my concerns?It's been explained time and time again, but the jokes in that trailer are poking fun at the tendency for businesses to clumsily co-opt progressive terminology and ideas so as to forward their own corporate agenda.
The reason it seems like you're trolling is that your words don't seem to reflect an understanding of that fact. You're deliberately choosing to interpret this a certain way despite a wealth of context existing that should dispel such vacuous notions.
That's a fair response and I can respect that.I didn't ignore it because if people were making the smallest effort to read what I said you'd have seen that my position was "I think Bethesda is pandering to the alt-right with the writing in this game after literally two jokes and I'm gonna wait and see and hope that's not the case". BBQ_of_DOOM understood my position and offered a perfectly reasonable alternative take on those jokes, but the conclusion is still the same, isn't it? We'll have to wait and see.
The only comments I've been answering since then have been those that, unlike those of BBQ_of_DOOM, have been misrepresenting my position, accusing me of being a false fan, of being the only terrible human being here associating demons and immigrants, of coming in with a secret agenda, of trolling, etc. None of which are true and all of which are incredibly shitty given what I feel are very valid concerns about two phrases that were uttered in the trailer that made me think Bethesda may be trying to bank on alt-right democraphics. And I'm waiting, like I said, for them to come clear on this or show more of the game so we can clear this whole thing up.
Because it's a doom game. There are no politics in a damn doom game. You kill demons. That's the game. If you are trying to insert politics in a doom game you are just trolling.
However, when you say shit like "we'd have decades of Doom not catering to the alt-right, can we have that back?" it's obvious that you already made up your mind on the issue.
Because it's a doom game. There are no politics in a damn doom game. You kill demons. That's the game. If you are trying to insert politics in a doom game you are just trolling.
It's funny. Half the harassment I've received since being the lovely feature of a certain Sargon of Akkad video has insisted there are no politics involved and I should kill myself for thinking it so, while the other half insist that I'm right, the politics are there, and it's GREAT NEWS! Intentional or not, they released a trailer that Gamergate and co are VERY comfy with, and have been celebrating.
Yes, I do, because I played DOOM 2016, the game which DOOM Eternal is a direct sequel to. I've played it religiously (lol) - I'm probably one of few here who has completed the game on even the permadeath Ultra-Nightmare and who has played every level in Arcade mode again and again just to beat my friend's high scores - and I feel like I've come to understand its specific sense of humor. The jokes in the trailer can be interpreted as being just like the jokes in DOOM 2016 - shit that pokes fun at corporate culture (and the propensity for corporations to selectively co-op progressive ideas and terminology in disingenuous ways to further their own agendas) and which presents corporate culture in the world of DOOM as having become literal cults deeply obsessed with Hell resources for their unprecedented value. I feel as though that interpretation is likely to fall in line with the truth of things.You've got your take on it and I got mine. Are you really sure you have enough proof yet to dispel my concerns?
I don't agree that the game is pandering to the right or whatever, but the game does have politics, most games have some sort of political message in them.
DOOM 2016 was clearly anti corporations/capitalism, and DOOM Guy doesn't give a fuck which is awesome. Also the fact that he just doesn't give a shit about the story and just wants to kill demons is political in some way.
I love DOOM 2016 haha.
I guess I should just be more specific and say "when it comes to the actual game experience, the Switch version is objectively the worst." Things like portability and power consumption exist outside of the game experience.
This is what we've come to. I'm still flabbergasted that people think this game is "pandering to the alt-right" based on what we've seen, and just the sheer damn context of who's making this game and their prior work.If it were not for the internet, I would never have made any connection between a couple of throwaway jokes in the trailer and any sort of pandering to the alt-right. Anyone who thinks this is what Id are actually doing is a fucking nitwit.
This whole thing is so stupid I can't believe I'm even typing this post.
Look, I think he wants to communicate.If it were not for the internet, I would never have made any connection between a couple of throwaway jokes in the trailer and any sort of pandering to the alt-right. Anyone who thinks this is what Id are actually doing is a fucking nitwit.
This whole thing is so stupid I can't believe I'm even typing this post.
Except it isn't just graphical. The difference in responsiveness between 60 FPS and 30 FPS (unstable 30 FPS, at that) is huge, especially for a fast-paced twitch shooter like Doom. I cannot stress this enough. There is no situation in which 60 FPS isn't better than 30 FPS, whereas there are many situations where portability has no value whatsoever (e.g. for people who only play games at home). The benefits of higher resolutions and framerates are quantifiable and consistent, whereas the benefits of portability are 100% subjective. As for gyro, any benefits it provides are negated by the variable 30 FPS which make inputs less responsive and inconsistent.
That's an opinion; it's subjective. And I'm saying that as someone whose opinion aligns with yours.I guess I should just be more specific and say "when it comes to the actual game experience, the Switch version is objectively the worst." Things like portability and power consumption exist outside of the game experience.
I think Jerykk would tell you that you would have more enjoyment if you closed your eyes and imagined playing DOOM on a 90" OLED TV at 120 FPS instead of tormenting yourself by actually playing the Switch version. Save yourself!I am playing doom on switch right now in my seaside house
I have no other console here, juat the undocked switch
I am really enjoying the game here during the holidays
How exactly this isn't part of my game experience?
I think Jerykk would tell you that you would have more enjoyment if you closed your eyes and imagined playing DOOM on a 90" OLED TV at 120 FPS instead of tormenting yourself with the Switch version instead.
(And am I the only person who keeps misreading "Jerykk" as "Jerkk"? Wonder why?)
I want a pic, preferably on the terrace in the sunset with a cocktail.I am playing doom on switch right now in my seaside house
I have no other console here, juat the undocked switch
I am really enjoying the game here during the holidays
How exactly this isn't part of my game experience?
I know, but people aren't infallible at finding sources, and it's not a stretch to think some people would believe those things are endorsed by the gamemakers after seeing how the alt-righters are gleeing over it.
Edit: you just have to look at the YouTube comments of the gameplay reveal video to see that they fucked up with the marketing or they took the lines out of context on purpose to pander to the alt-righters.
I am playing doom on switch right now in my seaside house
I have no other console here, juat the undocked switch
I am really enjoying the game here during the holidays
How exactly this isn't part of my game experience?
Because everything you just described is outside of the game experience?
Think of it like this: if you were reviewing a movie, would you give it a crappy rating because the guy sitting next to you kept talking on his phone? No, you wouldn't. Sure, that guy affected your experience but you were able to discern between the qualities of the movie itself and the qualities of everything outside the movie. Same thing applies here. Is it convenient to be able to play Doom while on vacation? Definitely. Is that convenience a quality of the game itself? No, it is not. I mean, if you had a good laptop, you could play the PC version while on vacation AND get vastly superior image quality, performance and controls (if you used a mouse instead of the touchpad).