Donald Trump suffers ear wound at Pennsylvania rally in probable assassination attempt, story developing
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Don't tone police bro
It's perfectly fine for someone to be sad that a child lost their parent, even if their parent was at a Donald Trump rally and was murdered by a right wing madman
Oh for sure, and the immediate reactions about dems from the right are backfiring on themselves which is a bit of levity at least.
That argument is *all over* TikTok. It's craziness. But like the level of disconnected from reality you have to be to believe that is just nuts. Although that describes a lot of these people.
I have less anger towards the individuals who post this shit on TikTok, either that the shooter is some left wing antifa guy or that it's a false flag staged assasination, than I do the platform that promotes these videos NON STOP and makes money off of them.
Like there's something deeply fucked up about the algorithm that all of the content on TikTok, or at least like 95% of it; is insane conspiracy crazy shit. And that's how they make their money. I get how it works, people "engage" with conspiracy insanity so TikTok sees engagement = positive and it promotes it more and more and more, and like accurate, fact based accounts of the event don't engage in the same way so the algorithm buries it. But they're a media company, the second wealthiest media company in the world behind YouTube, they deserve to be held to the same standard that we would if some TV channel promoted thst narrative nonstop. Algorithms are editorial in nature, even if the engineers and executives are too fucking dumb to know what sort of editorial decisions they're making.
People do and will always say stupid shit all of the time that I don't agree with. Family members who support Trump say stupid shit all of the time that I have to bite my tongue over because there's no point in trying to argue any type of reason into them. I still wouldn't wish death on them even if my shred of sympathy might be an all-time 2%.
This entire situation has made me hoping that none of them are stupid enough to go to a trump rally at this point.
That was something that some law officer speculated\said right after it happened before any real analysis was done. If there's been further word on it being glass and not from air displacement from a near miss with a bullet I haven't seen it.
you know he would've went for the dude in the middle first to live out the stories daddy told him
A real class act who deserves an equal amount of empathy from all of us that he afforded all of the Palestinians.
I've come to find the way in which people have been primed to latch onto every stumble, to let optics/narratives entirely determine their reaction to a given Biden event, annoying. I watched his latest speech live and coming in here and seeing almost all the takeaways be about this or that word he got wrong (and some things he didn't get wrong at all, just some folks aren't very familiar with political verbiage) doesn't reflect well on the discourse. The inevitability of memes does not mean we should let our critical thinking skills wither on the vine.
But no, it very much is eyeroll worthy the selective way in which some overemphasize the whole stutter angle. Biden's decline is eminently evident. It's eminently evident why people might perceive that decline when he, say, swerves into some random tangent. Even if you give space for the fact that his stutter has a role, which you should, it's very obvious he's lost multiple steps and it hardly requires your "true colors" to show for that to be a big part of how you frame his stumbles.
Like, I don't know what some of y'all want. No one can precisely compartmentalize how much a given confusing sentence has to do with his stutter, his broader decline, his travel schedule, the lighting in the room, or whatever else. Even if we do a better job habitualizing throwing in a "I'm sure his stutter is playing a role here" when we react to something he said, that's not going to stop the sense of Biden heavily wearing his age from lingering in the air, and that's where the eyerolls come in: the demand to frame all this in terms of his stutter feels like a futile attempt to ask people to put their heads in the sand.
My grandfather has dementia, he has experienced slow decline of his cognitive function over the past 5 or 6 years or so. I strongly disagree with the assertion that it looks like 'psychosis.' He'd be very easy to take advantage of, if *anyone* told him they needed *anything* he'd try to get it to them. He struggles to distinguish between what is truly actionable information and what isn't. He has a lot less control over his emotions and emotional state than he had before. He is much more together and coherent in the morning, but as he gets tired he starts to lose the thread in the afternoon and evenings. He can do routine things, but things that are out of routine can be a big difficulty. A small but effective example is putting on the seat belt in a car- he can do it himself no problems in his vehicles that he's owned and been in many times, but struggles to figure out how to do it in a car he is unfamiliar with. He can take apart, service and reassemble a small motor no problem but he probably could not tell me what he had for lunch, or if he had lunch, even. If you ask him a question he can become *very* stressed because he believes he should be able to answer them question but he often simply cannot come up with the information that he needs.
I don't know what's happening with Biden, and its irresponsible to arm chair diagnose him based off a few public appearances. Maybe he's simply struggling with the stutter- but I do think it is obvious that he isn't the public speaker now that he was even 4 years ago(and he has always been gaffe prone), and that is troubling considering his age and the position he would like to hold in our country. There is almost nothing he could say or do that would cause me to vote for someone other than him if he's one the ticket considering the opponent and the stakes- but I think its simply accepting reality to acknowledge that *something* has changed and he's a less effective public speaker now.
Why are we posting random hate content from Twitter? What does this have to do with anything?
Sheesh his last tweet reply is really weird to think about regarding life and death.
That's some inhuman shit. I wish the worst for people like that.
He's the guy that died at the rally last night. People are going through commenting on all his replies right now.
Those are the tweets of the person who was killed, that some people are celebrating
One of those, "no there really aren't good people on both sides" moments. If you go to a Trump rally chances are you are an unhinged fascist. No sympathy for this asshole.
No, the person who was attending the rally in the crowd who was shot in the head
No. There were others who were shot at the rally too. This guy apparently died shielding his family. He was a former fire chief as well.
If you get family members like mine i think you'd change your tune. I have some that have actively hurt me physically and mentally i honestly wish were dead, but evil just doesn't die. I actively wished they were dead as they berated and abused me for being gay.
Cut out of my life for now and i hope it lasts until at least a certain one of them is dead, i'm done putting up with racist bigots.
Some of that shit this guy said i am seeing from posts here is heinous. Which makes me believe there is more not said based on that shit.
He's the guy that died at the rally. Did he deserve a bullet to the head? No. Definitely not. Was he a good person? Also no, seems not. These are the sort of people Trump gets riled up though. They're the sort that go to a fascist rally. News talking about what a great dad and family man he was, well… this is who he was.
Dementia varies wildly from person to person. I'm not saying it always present as psychosis. But the point is that the loss of control of emotions & emotional regulation is a central symptom, which can often appear untethered to reality for outside observers. Sometimes this is paired with actual delusion or psychotic symptoms, sometimes it's not, but it's not merely being feeble and forgetful.
Biden forgetting things and stuttering more are not dementia.
Also I'm sorry for what your grandfather - and you & your family - is going through. I went through it with my grandma. It was really painful for everyone.
Corey Comperatore is the rally attendee who died while shielding his children. Unsurprisingly, given where he was at the time, he seems to have had some pretty horrible views.
I've had some massive anxiety over Biden's condition myself, but that was otherwise a rock-solid speech. The word-flubs were hardly the disaster last month's debate was and I don't see the point in magnifying them.
Do we have hard confirmation on this? I know there's reports that he's retreated to his golf club, but that one Mike Lee tweet turned out to feature older footage.
(Not that he actually gives a shit about his supporters, mind. I'd fully expect this from him otherwise -- we heard loud and clear he cared more about his shoes.)
I'm not going to celebrate Corey's death, but I will say this Bluesky post echoes my own thoughts in that there's a grim irony with how he died for the violent ideology he proudly championed.
...actually, you know what, I'll just quote it:
Do we have hard confirmation on this? I know there's reports that he's retreated to his golf club, but that one Mike Lee tweet turned out to feature older footage.
(Not that he actually gives a shit about his supporters, mind. I'd fully expect this from him otherwise -- we heard loud and clear he cared more about his shoes.)
I'm not going to celebrate Corey's death, but I will say this Bluesky post echoes my own thoughts in that there's a grim irony with how he died for the violent ideology he proudly championed.
...actually, you know what, I'll just quote it:
These people just love to fan the flames.
I wonder what his mother thinks of him now.
Ah yes, the guy who probably handed Trump the election at the last minute.
see, that part was normal biden though. he was always crazy.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbE2SmV2bs
it's mostly evident in the way it's impacted his speaking abilities, like his tone of voice as well as his control over it. he's also seemingly gotten more egotistic and careless to the point where he'd let things like "as long as i tried my best" slip out in interviews. he's also not able to really respond to people well a lot of the time. has difficulties remembering specific talking points in something like, say, a debate setting. his postures as well as the way he moves indicate there are other, actual issues health wise that also aren't being disclosed, but i am not a doctor and it is not my place.
there's precedent, recent precedent even, of people in our party who were basically wheeled around the same way when they should've been being taken care of, so people also have extra reason to be wary of what they are seeing here.
The only source I've seen saying Trump was actually hit is him saying it. I'm having a hard time to visualizing how a shot would do that from this angle even with his head turned towards the shooter would result in just piercing his upper part of his right ear as he says happened. The photo showing the bullet is behind him from one of the misses going past him. Not that it really matters if Trump got grazed by a bullet or if it was glass, guy shouldn't have been able to even get a shot off before agents shot him, I can't believe they weren't watching that rooftop.
EDIT: Having looked at some shots of the stage, glass looks to be unlikely so he really just got super lucky with a graze.
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He held a press conference after that debate during which he called on 10 different reporters and answered 19 questions about in-depth policy.
The debate wasn't yesterday, y'all. Debates are also far removed from normal settings.
it gets confusing when everyone at the rally has shooter rhetoric and tendencies
Real life is much stupider than movies part 12342342.
Hollywood movies about shooting someone protected by the secret service: "I must set up a giant antimateriel rifle in a hotel suite and fire it remote controlled for maximum precision to kill him from 10 kilometers away while adjusting for the curvature of the earth and making sure conditions are just right"
Real life: "I must find a roof that the secret service just kind of forgot about 150 meters away from the rally".
Hollywood movies about shooting someone protected by the secret service: "I must set up a giant antimateriel rifle in a hotel suite and fire it remote controlled for maximum precision to kill him from 10 kilometers away while adjusting for the curvature of the earth and making sure conditions are just right"
Real life: "I must find a roof that the secret service just kind of forgot about 150 meters away from the rally".
You'd have to excuse a lot to say Biden's only suffered from simple flubs. Plus you'd have to ignore his noticeable decline from just a couple years ago. At this point, though, my concern is not so much his ability to lead the country (though I do think that's in question, especially 2 or 3 years from now) but whether or not he'll be able to articulate a case for himself against Trump.
The fight is for undecided voters, not never-Trumps. The case against Trump should be easy, and yet the debate was overwhelmingly seen as a failure for Biden. This assassination attempt will sadly not work in Biden's favor. Again, is it possible to spin it to make Trump look bad? Sure. Is Biden going to be able to do that when Trump is going to be shouting "They tried to kill me, but they couldn't do it!" from every rooftop? I seriously doubt it.
Biden may still have the mental faculties to be President (again, I think there is serious cause for concern) - but to be President, you have to win the election.
i want to respond, but first, just to gauge where you are at the moment, do you think biden is not dealing with any neurological issues at the moment?
Then the people making this case hold the burden of being clear.
Look, I honestly don't care much about Biden. But people are being real loose with their language, and that in itself is a problem. Don't think Biden can win, make that argument. Hiding behind flubs, implying things about his overall mental state that skate very close to outright ageism? That's not an argument.
Stand ten toes down.
If non sequitur guilt trips count as serious responses to you, if having that pointed out is a character attack to you, then I doubt you were ever going to give a serious response.
Neither do I?
Does this count as one of those "character attacks" and "cute" "paraphrases" you've been going on about?
