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I think Melty Blood has more chance. So Sion or Shiki Ryougi (*) are the only from Type-Moon deserve a chance in Smash.

I know Shiki is from a light novel, but as someone who can kill the impossible she should have the chance.
 

Kinanza

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I'd imagine if Saber got in Sakurai would have to fill in the details about who she is and where she's from

"She's a genderbent King Arthur from a porn game." cue crew laughing
 

Zeus

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I have seen all fate anime from the OG Fate to the (underrated) Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya. None of them contain any outrageous fan service.
Really?

I'd ask how you can possibly claim Fate has no outrageous fan service, nevermind the namedropping of the series worst example but I really don't want to know.

The shitting on Fate in this thread is embarrassing but nothing justifies this. There is a decent amount of actual hentai content that is FAR less problematic in its depictions than Prisma ilyas.

Excusing content like that is a new level of gross. End of story
 

Gold Arsene

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It would be really weird to see characters in Smash that originated in a hentai game tbh
Why? Honest question why?

It hasn't been a hentai game for ages and has more then made a new mark for itself.

I'm not even a Fate fan but the amount of people hung up on this is weird.
You can argue that PW deserves to be in more than Fate tho
By what metric?

Sales and influence? Because I'd say Fate comes out on top for both.
 

Sanox

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So much hate in this thread
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How could people be so against Artoria
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Why? Honest question why?

It hasn't been a hentai game for ages and has more then made a new mark for itself.

I'm not even a Fate fan but the amount of people hung up on this is weird.

By what metric?

Sales and influence? Because I'd say Fate comes out on top for both.
I dunno, it's not really easy to wash away the stigma of porn, and it's hard for me to mentally sort porn-related characters together with normal Nintendo game characters.

Like, I'm sure there's no connection now but if any other character in Smash Bros gave head to the hero to get energy from their jizz as part of the plot in their original game it probably would feel weird too
 

Dany1899

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Not when Ace Attorney exists
Ace Attorney's inclusion would be wonderful too. I can't imagine how Sakurai would turn Phoenix Wright, a lawyer, into a fighter. But what I would want the most, anyway, is a Visual Novel representative, independently of the chosen VN. Fate could be an easy choice simply because it is already based on fighting: for example Archer would have a variagated moveset - from bows to swords - while Saber is the most well known character from this VN. Maybe the only concern would be that Saber's inclusion would be associated only to the mobile game instead to the VN, but in any case it would be a good thing for the whole genre.
 

SiG

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Wait, are there new leaks? Last I heard Reimu from Touhou had the highest chance of getting in...now Fate?

First of all, wouldn't they have to deal with ANIPLEX who is a subsidiary of Sony, considering their heavy investment in FGO (not that that has stopped Fate and other ANIPLEX games from coming to Switch).

Second, wouldn't that make Saber "yet another anime sword user" in the roster? She brings nothing new to the table in terms of character lineup.
 

sinonobu

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Saber is a japanese video game hero unlike Joker.

She also happens to be a Sony hero as she's the protagonist of Sony's most successful game!

Put her in!
 

Aexact

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I dunno, it's not really easy to wash away the stigma of porn, and it's hard for me to mentally sort porn-related characters together with normal Nintendo game characters.
Yeah, in spite of protestations that the series is past it's porn-game origins for a while now, thinking Fate immediately brings up the association of porn game. Even in spite of being story heavy. Its a reputation that sticks.

I think the point that there aren't many Fate games on Nintendo platforms is probably the barrier though.

The main game being promoted through such a crossover would be the mobile gacha FGO, which would be less desirable than promoting nothing at all like Banjo.

... I'm not saying this is disqualifying, just that I'm mildly against the idea because of that.
 

TimeFire

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Saber repping Sony
Banjo repping Microsoft
Joker repping Atlus
Terry repping SNK
Hero repping Enix


Hero should have been a Hudson character so it could spell out SMASH
 

NSESN

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By what metric?

Sales and influence? Because I'd say Fate comes out on top for both.
Can you really? I love AA and played all games, never played more than a minute of FGO, but Fate is orders of magnitude bigger than AA.
It is a series that was born on nintendo handhelds, have all of its releases on nintendo handhelds. It is up there with Megaman for me for 3rd party games I associate with Nintendo.
Smash isn't about sales and influence, it is about the history of videogame, and, for me, Ace Attorney represents the history of videogames better than Fate
 

Gold Arsene

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It is a series that was born on nintendo handhelds, have all of its releases on nintendo handhelds. It is up there with Megaman for me for 3rd party games I associate with Nintendo.
Smash isn't about sales and influence, it is about the history of videogame, and, for me, Ace Attorney represents the history of videogames better than Fate
.......do I even need to say anything here?
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Gold Arsene

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Yeah, in spite of protestations that the series is past it's porn-game origins for a while now, thinking Fate immediately brings up the association of porn game. Even in spite of being story heavy. Its a reputation that sticks.

I think the point that there aren't many Fate games on Nintendo platforms is probably the barrier though.

The main game being promoted through such a crossover would be the mobile gacha FGO, which would be less desirable than promoting nothing at all like Banjo.

... I'm not saying this is disqualifying, just that I'm mildly against the idea because of that.
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About as many Nintendo games as Joker.
 

RochHoch

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To answer the question posed by this thread: yes, I count Fate as a video game franchise, but I think it's odds of being included in Smash are next to nothing.
 

SiG

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Artist drew porn and the comic itself was surprisingly raunchy. It was pretty heavily censored for the American release.
Fixed.

And people are so fixated on Fate's NSFW origins here. What's the big deal? I mean, if Bayonetta can get it...

To answer the question posed by this thread: yes, I count Fate as a video game franchise, but I think it's odds of being included in Smash are next to nothing.
Well, I wouldn't put it next to nothing, but clearly the reason for investment should be there.
 

sinonobu

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I really doubt he even have time to play FGO with how occupied he is with developing smash and playing console games already
He can def play fgo during commute!
The Persona series has sold 10 million.

I'm not sure why sales have anything to do with being a "hero." Sales aren't the end all be all. Terry Bogard is in Smash.
Well as I said, she's so iconic that there's even a term called "saber face".

If you ask random person in Japan who Joker is they wouldn't recognize.

If you ask random person in Japan who Saber is they'd still not recognize who exactly it is, but recognize her as "one of many sabers".
 

SiG

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Hmm...

What are Sakurai's thoughts on mobile games and mobage in general?

Fate has become a global phenomenon thanks to FGO's international release, so I'm betting any representation would be mostly calling back to FGO than the original.
 

Moara

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Fixed.

And people are so fixated on Fate's NSFW origins here. What's the big deal? I mean, if Bayonetta can get it...


Well, I wouldn't put it next to nothing, but clearly the reason for investment should be there.

Bayonetta isn't even in the same stratosphere and I don't know why people keep bringing it up like it's some 'gotcha' moment.
 

sinonobu

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Hmm...

What are Sakurai's thoughts on mobile games and mobage in general?

Fate has become a global phenomenon thanks to FGO's international release, so I'm betting any representation would be mostly calling back to FGO than the original.
I think saber would be like hero with 4 distinc saber as alts.
 

BaconHat

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Seeing so many ppl saying that this series will be forever associated in the public perception directly with hentai does make one wonder if that is also the japanese perception of it which, let's be real, would be the main clientele for a dlc character of that series considering the amount of money spent in FGO.
 

Maxina

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I don't recall "most Fates games/anime going as low".

I have seen all fate anime from the OG Fate to the (underrated) Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya. None of them contain any outrageous fan service.

Most of the Fate spinoff games also don't contain low stuff. Fate Tigger, The PSP/PS2 fighting game, Fate Extra and the Fate Extalla games are pretty mild
Not sure if I should be more concerned about you denying this has no outrageous fan service, or the fact that I know IT DOES has outrageous fan service.
 

SiG

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Bayonetta isn't even in the same stratosphere and I don't know why people keep bringing it up like it's some 'gotcha' moment.
People keep bringing up F/SNs original release being an eroge as the primary reason it won't be accepted.

There are a lot of respectable VNs that have had their eroge origins scrubbed.