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The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,087
I know that this community does not need any convincing to not buy a Madden game; this isn't a community for sports gamers and Madden is largely disliked even amongst sports gamers. But, for about 10-12 years I've done nearly all of the OT's for the annual Madden games. I stopped doing them a few years ago because I felt like the games were not delivering value for $60, I couldn't hype the games in good conscience. This year not only can I not hype the game, but I'm actively warning people not to buy it.

Do not buy Madden '21 for $60. Do not buy it for $40. If you have to play a Madden game, play Madden '20 and wait until the game is steeply discounted or free.

Madden '21 is easily the worst Madden game since the 2006/2007 season that launched on the Xbox 360. Casual/non-sports gamers always joked, "$60 for a roster update," but usually that belied the truth... The games did get changes from year to year but usually those changes only really appealed to the most ardent fans, people who cared about how various defensive schemes played or how player locomotion would change in a given year... There's be tweaks to, say, scouting in franchise mode or some other improvements in the depth of the game. In the heyday of Madden and NCAA Football franchises there'd be significant changes every year, and because they were built on an already solid game the changes would be worth the pricetag of $50 or $60 each year. To casual players it might have seemed like just a roster update for $50, but to fans of the franchise the changes were meaningful year to year and the games showed passion from the developers.

Madden 21, this year, is worse than a roster update. The rosters are already out of date for what you can get for free from community for Madden '20 (players who have opted out of this season are still in their respective starting spots for instance, something that community rosters have accounted for). The Franchise mode -- what was once the bread and butter of sports videogames (and a mode that Madden really put on the map with Madden '99, following the success of Dynasty mode in NCAA Football 98) -- is completely unchanged from Madden '20. 100% identical, from the menus, to the goals, to the team goals, to *everything.* Franchise mode in Madden games has been long ignored, it's been a serious gripe by the MAdden enthusiast community, but usually they'd still put in a handful of small changes, or change the presentation or something. Well, Madden '21s franchise is identical to Madden '20, zero meaningful or even noticeable improvements. (and before someone says "Well player regression has been tweaked a little...." Give it 3 or 4 weeks and I'm sure we'll find plenty of regression or retirement bugs like every year, and a patch will come out that will probably nullify this supposed change. It's not clear to me that the tiny, tiny tweak to veteran player regression was intentional or not for a mode that has been otherwise copy and pasted from Madden '20)

Face of the Franchise, the single player story mode that they've thrown together the last few years is back, and if you played last years you've basically already played it. There's a lame sports story, your player plays through high school and college and makes the NFL, and then it transitions into, basically, franchise mode where you control your guy. I haven't played through the whole thing and I won't because the game is unimproved.

Is the gameplay improved? I don't think so. Early takes on Madden '21 from people who got previews was that they balanced out the gameplay and it was really solid. But..... it seems no different to me. The same plays work in the same way in the same situations. The CPU playcalling is still fucking stupid. I heard clock management was improved but it still seems the same, I've had the clock run out on the CPU without them kicking a field goal or going for a score in the redzone before the half. Playcalling still seems arbitrary and CPU playcalling is still, seemingly, based on the play that you pick to the point that it's utterly predictable because -- in effect -- you're picking the CPU's play based on the play that you chose. The playbooks are still incredibly lazy. Yes, the Patriots have the same playbook that they've had since, like 2009 when they were a stretch-the-field team. They still feature a ton of tight end post routes in their playbook despite that the Patriots don't have an NFL tight end on their roster. This is something that I noticed year after year with the Patriots, that their play calling, playbook, scheme, is the same as it was since like, Brady was 31 years old, and so I'm sure every other team is the exact same... Like I bet they have Miami running a bunch of wishbone passing plays, because that was a gimmick 5 or 6 years ago. In my time with the game I've noticed some improvements to CPU AI... maybe... or maybe it's just a coincidence? The responsiveness of QBs seems different, same with the responsiveness on cuts and stick moves with RBs, but it's not clear to me whether that's just an improvement on the players I'm controlling or whether they've actually tuned that. Other changes like moving D-line moves to the stick rather than buttons, .. eh. They used to be on the stick 5+ years ago, then they moved to face buttons, now they're back on the stick. I get that it's "changed" but I don't think it's necessarily "improved." I just figure in 5 years they'll move it back to the face buttons and call it like, "IMPACT CONTROL PASS RUSHING" or something, and it'll basically be the same pass rushing result as Madden 2009.

If you play MUT -- the microtransactions card collecting game -- it's the same as it always has been. Grind your way to the top of wait 2 months and spend $20 and get the best team in the game. THis year it's worse because there are a ton of stability bugs which lock up menus and make it very slow to get from screen to screen.

There is a new mode this year called "The Yard." It was a big announcement that they had a 6 on 6 online-based competitive mode that's supposed to be more arcadey. Uhm. It's okay, I guess? It doesn't follow traditional NFL rules. Each team gets 3 possessions. The field is 60 yards long and you play as the same player on offense and defense. There are no kicks, no punts, and you can get up to 3 points for an "extra point." You also get points for interceptions. The rules are weird and don't entirely make sense to me, and things like pick 6's or fumble returns for a TD count as an offensive possession, which is odd to me. There are weird rule differences in one game from another, like in some you can't scramble as a QB (the play is called dead), in others you can. You can't blitz until a timer counts down and lets you blitz. You can also pass the ball multiple times as long as it's behind the line of scrimmage which is a cool gimmick to be honest, and can set up some fun plays where you throw a screen and then hit a guy on a post pattern in the same play. It's an arcadey version of football for the most part, but not like NFL blitz. THe actual player movement is still typical Madden. Tackles, catches, and so on, are still all normal Madden, it's that the rules are different. This mode is clearly where EA is taking Madden and will feature a lot of player customization and microtransactions. It seems entirely made for that.

I'd like to share more about The Yard, but the mode is literally unplayable for me. Not like "I don't like it" unplayable or "it's got some bugs" unplayable, literally unplayable. After finishing the early round of challenges, the mode no longer spawns players on the field for the challenge I'm on, the first "real" challenge of the mode after the tutorials. The game loads and only 2 players spawn, and so every play is just a dead ball at the line of scrimmage, I can't move beyond this challenge. I'm not alone in this, it's plaguing almost all players. But there are more and more bugs in every single mode.

The field for the Washington Football Team doesn't spawn, there's no field markings, just a large green field with no down markers. Lighting in COwboys stadium gets completely fucked up, like max brightness times 10,000% so you can't see anything. Players disappearing on the field. Toooons of crashes. The game has crashed back to the Dashboard for me like at least 5 times. And I've probably only launched the game 7 or 8 times. It crashes like 80% of times that I load the game. Sometimes the menu buttons stop working (which is indicative that a crash is coming for me). Like, I go to "Play Now" and select "Exhibition" and the sound that I picked the mode plays but ..... nothing happens. And then no menu buttons work. And then I might be able to launch "The Yard," but then it crashes immediately. If EA Servers disconnect (something that happens routinely) the game crashes.

Many of these bugs are likely because of COVID. I get it it. I've been working from home as a software engineer for ~6 months now as well. A lot of my work has been disrupted. We're not just "working from home," we're "working during a pandemic from home," and I've had to take care of a toddler as well as slip my work in from time to time. I get it. It's hard to work during a pandemic. But the game should not be released in this state. Will there probably be a "Day 1 patch?" Sure. Every Madden game has gotten a day 1 patch for the last 5 years, but usually those patches are fixing bugs and issues with gameplay or franchise mode, this year, there's so many bugs just around the stability of keeping the software running.

Sports game blogger PastaPadre catalogued a lot of these problems in some twitter threads:



(the video above is a routine bug in 'The Yard' where no players spawn, so the ball gets snapped and then immediately thrown into the dirt for an incomplete pass. In my version, the opposing players never spawned so the ball can't be snapped when I'm on defense)

Apparently after removing "Redskins" from the Washington field, they also removed all of the ... yard markers, endzones, and any other identifying characteristics of the field:

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Also the Redskins weren't the only renamed team, also the Seattle Seahacks.

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(FYI, I believe this is just a bug on the player presentation cutaway, not the whole game...... but.... still)

Here is a video review from That Franchise Guy. He goes into some more depth about the "#FixMaddenfranchise" hashtag, as well as how EA has the exclusive simulation license for Madden but is not making a simulation game and has not improved the core mode of simulation sports games. He also says the gameplay is improved, but, in my opinion, for $60 every year, it's not improved enough. I'd really have to play, 10, 20, or 50 games to really understand the depth of the improvements, but in my ~6 hours playing it, as far as I can tell it's basically the same gameplay as last year... and the year before.... and the year before that. And I'm not going to spend $60 or more to figure out what tiny changes they made improving the gameplay.



Do not buy this game. It's fucked up. Even if the game were functioning right, there's almost zero improvements from last year. I get that COVID makes it difficult to work, but to release this game for at least $60 is a scam. And, of course, because it's a sports game in 2020, $60 is the lowest MSRP. There is also an $80 and $100 version of the game that gives you shit in the Microtransaction modes, as well as an earlier release date, which means you'll be getting to play the game before any stability patches drop... Meaning you get to pay $20 or $40 more for an unplayable, broken game.
 
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platocplx

2020 Member Elect
Member
Oct 30, 2017
36,072
i really wish i tried the 10 hour trial first. EA truly is fucking double dipping and it would take a near revolt from people to get them to fix the game. this is why them having this exclusivity has been so awful its all people have.
 

Quellyford

Member
May 16, 2020
4,031
Man I'm so tempted to buy NHL 21 but for similar reasons I'm worried about buying it.

Sports games are MADE to be Games As A Service. Update every year with new rosters (hell, charge a price for it, just not $60), and every couple years come out with a brand new game with new features and better graphics.
 

Patitoloco

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
23,714
EA Sports, in general, need a really big fresh take on all of its games.

FIFA 21, except for some (theorical) good improvements in Career Mode is largely the exact same thing and I would argue that even the new features (like that fucking awful new dribbling they showed) might make it worse. And that's their big flagship title.

I really hope there's a jump next gen, but I'm 100% worried they haven't shown a drop of gameplay from those versions, it will be an upscaling and that's it. Maybe for 22.
 

Lobster Roll

signature-less, now and forever
Member
Sep 24, 2019
34,439
Oh my god I almost spit out my coffee when I saw Seattle Seahacks. That's really, really bad QA work.
 

AustinJ

Member
Jul 18, 2018
939
I bought it and I'm enjoying it. The MUT menus are a slog, but the part where you play football is still fun (IMO, obviously). Don't regret my purchase.
 

Namtox

Member
Nov 3, 2017
981
I played Madden for the first time in 5 years and made this parody video review for it...but I really despise it that parts real.
 

JEH

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,247
I subbed to ea play for 1 month to do the trial and I'm glad I did. I was about to pre order but I'll get everything I want out of that game in 10 hours. Fucking trash. Absolutely embarrassing the way things even like presentation are. Nothing about the game feels like a simulation of football.
 

JohnnyToonami

Member
Dec 16, 2018
5,479
Earth
Man I'm so tempted to buy NHL 21 but for similar reasons I'm worried about buying it.

Sports games are MADE to be Games As A Service. Update every year with new rosters (hell, charge a price for it, just not $60), and every couple years come out with a brand new game with new features and better graphics.
Unless EA does some extreme stuff with the engine, they'll never have something like this especially in NHL.
Like, ffs last years game I really did enjoy but the insane no look interception issues that were never fixed sucked.
Imagine them pulling a GaaS with NHL and getting stuck with issues like that for years? I doubt it'll be fixed in this years game even after they said they couldn't do much in 20 to fix it.

Also great write up OP. Would love to see this game get torn a new one by fans and critics so EA could actually do something with these series.
 

SteveWinwood

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,695
USA USA USA
this is one of those things where im on the outside looking in and im just completely baffled why anyone is buying these games year after year. their sales should have fallen off a cliff a long time ago

like even if you like it a lot, how can you justify what theyre (not) doing
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,971
I'm pretty sure they've rebranded as the Seattle Searacks and they've changed the team mascot to a very busty mermaid, though given the prevalence of the tech industry there I can understand why you'd think it was the Seahacks
 

JEH

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,247
this is one of those things where im on the outside looking in and im just completely baffled why anyone is buying these games year after year. their sales should have fallen off a cliff a long time ago

like even if you like it a lot, how can you justify what theyre (not) doing

if You want to play sim football there's no other choice so some will take something over nothing.
 

SapientWolf

Member
Nov 6, 2017
6,565
I was hoping The Yard would just be a straight port of EA's NFL Blitz from last gen. Dreams shattered. Hopes dashed.
 

SpiderLink

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
313
I came in here to be flippant but I was touched by your passion. It must suck to have a franchise you like so much that you would make OTs disappoint so hard.
 

Lunchbox

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Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,548
Rip City
Didn't plan on it, I only buy Sports games at $20 dollars about how much time/effort they put into making the game better is only worth 20 to me.
 

Ramsiege

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
1,309
I'm ok with Seahacks. Don't see any issue there.

Go Rams!

That Washington field is hilarious tho. Wasn't planning on buying this year, this cemented it. Really wish 2K could make sim games again.
 

JDHarbs

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,150
If you are going to buy it, get it on PC because the PC modding community is like the entire selling point of this franchise now. Love Madden 20 on PC. Everything from revamped rosters to gameplay fixes to custom uniforms to College Football are all there and get updated on a weekly basis to match the real-world season. It's truly amazing.

Madden 21 PC is also finally on Steam now and I think all future EA games will no longer require an Origin login anymore.
 

Loud Wrong

Member
Feb 24, 2020
14,204
I'm in the mood for football. I'll probably just use the week long free EA Access trial on PS4 and play last years game. I tend to get bored of sports games after a few days anyway.
 

rsfour

Member
Oct 26, 2017
16,811
Should do the same for all the sports games.

Except maybe The Show, which I haven't followed this year.
 

platocplx

2020 Member Elect
Member
Oct 30, 2017
36,072
pre-order canceled i guess sony has some 14 day policy now. took my money back.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,942
How the OP described the yard is close to how I and I guess a lot of kids used to play like backyard football. Usually you don't have lots of people so the QB can't scramble unless they are blitz and usually there is a blitz timer to give people a chance to get open etc

In real life it makes sense because every play would be a qb scramble if you only have 1 person blitzing etc but I can see how in a game it wouldn't be fu
 

Mik317

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,777
don't buy any end of gen sports games

they always end up being even more of a repaint than normal.
 

thefit

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,243
Not even based in reality. They should have released a F2P version watered down like real events, no fans etc.
 

GCQ

Member
Oct 27, 2017
687
Raleigh, NC
Got it on PC via EA Play Pro (fka Origin Access Premier) and yeah. I finally got around to playing 20 in June when I built my new PC so two months later I can barely tell the difference between the two. Thankfully, I'm only $15 in the hole so I used the opportunity to finally get to Jedi Fallen Order.

Also, there's a commentary bug for Teddy Bridgewater at Panthers home games that introduces him as Patriots QB Cam Newton so I got a chuckle out of that.
 

Patitoloco

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
23,714
don't buy any end of gen sports games

they always end up being even more of a repaint than normal.
Thing is, in both the switch from PS2 to PS3 and PS3 to PS4 they had really big improvements in the next gen versions. In Madden, FIFA and 2K mainly.

This year they have shown exactly 0 gameplay, no features list or anything, which makes me think there's nothing for this new gen other than an upres (which is already dumb, because it's already 4K lol). At least 2K has said that the NBA 2K next gen version is better, but EA has said nothing.