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Dirt 5 dev: PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU Gap Doesn’t Really Have a Development Impact
- Thread starter Tiago Rodrigues
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PC games were hold back by PS4 and Xbox One consoles and their stone age I/O software. Which will change with DirectStorage and RTX I/O. So don't worry, you see the similar benefits as Xbox Series X|S and PS5.
We haven't had any comparison yet.
Spot on.
Except he didn't mention graphics at all. He said from a development and gameplay perspective it's a non issue.
Was this necessary to relay your point, which was a garbage point to begin with?
It will vary obviously, the difference is there but its not big enough to impact development of a game. If both aim for native 4k which seems to be the case at the moment Series X will have an advantage.
I'm in exactly the same boat lol. I haven't decided on versions of (non Game Pass) multiplatform games yet despite having both consoles pre-ordered.
It might end up being the case that differences between versions are minor enough that it's instead things like UI, quality of life options, features, controller preference etc that end up being the deciding factor.
I think it makes total sense to position the PS5 in the middle, given his argument. The games they make already have to scale all the way down to the XSS so it has no significant development impact to scale on anything in between. Where it is in between is not important.
Ok but my reply you never responded to still applies even after your third attempt to rescue your hot take.
I hope not. It's not different than PS4 vs Xbox One or Xbox One X vs PS4 Pro. Graphical tweaks will be made to make it perform within spec on both, the actual game isn't affected.
Definitely not necessary but since it's been full of condescending replies I enjoyed it. BTW thanks for your equally garbage contribution.
same, cancelled my preorders till DF weighs in unless its a difference of frames/resolution, itll come down to controller features/SSD in favor of PS5 for me personally
Yep, he doesn't specifically say it. This is what precedes the comment:
If from this he comes to a conclusion that XSX just needs slightly less optimisation and the difference in Tflops will be irrelevant, it's quite a bizarre comment if he meant to exclude graphics from this just because he didn't specifically mention them.
As the actual specs also support the conclusion that the differences will be insignificant and smaller than ever, at least I can't come to any other conclusion.
I don't come to a different conclusion either. However I am not a friend of interpreting something into a quote, when he never talked about graphics to begin with.
This is good news all-around, and what we'd expect based on previous interviews. Similar architecture makes it easier to take advantage of differences in power. This gen is probably easier than it's ever been in the past, even accounting for the number of variants in console hardware. Considering this dev said how (relatively) simple even the differences between Series S and X has been for them, the differences involved with the PS5 version shouldn't exactly be "pulling teeth"; The relative performance should come through in the ways you'd expect.
When I entered the thread, the article wasn't online, it was just a teaser. Also, I was referring to "differences between the two consoles will be minimal". I think it's waaay too early to believe claims like these and of course gameplay won't differ in a multiplat game like Dirt 5. And of course one platform will require more optimization, as it is always the case. I mean, it couldn't be more obvious. What did we learn from this interview that I missed?
I'm confused. Isn't the second part a direct impact of the differences on development?
Also if you put it this way then there's no impact - because you've chosen to perform tweaking and optimization on one platform only while another will do fine due to it being a bit more powerful. You could've chosen to do tweaking and optimization on both which would resulted in one platform running with a slightly better IQ/fps which would've been an impact from gameplay perspective too.
Obviously. The gap is not such that it would require any significant additional work while optimising for one platform.
He's talking development impact, that was always going to be negligible.
Consumer side too, differences will be pretty hard to spot, I'm guessing.
He's talking development impact, that was always going to be negligible.
Consumer side too, differences will be pretty hard to spot, I'm guessing.
Yeah me neither, and thanks that you pointed it out. I didn't specifically say anything about graphics in my original comment, but it also can't be completely left out of the conversation when someone says that Tflops difference is basically irrelevant between the consoles.
They're talking about differences in development time and gameplay. That's it. As you said earlier, what you're looking for is a thing for Digital Foundry, and wasn't what the developers were talking about.
There's also nothing in the comments about the gap being irrelevant, if we're going to strive for accuracy here.
I know and I don't think it applies for this game. This quote is worthless for now, there will be differences in dev time for multiplatform games in the coming years.
You can save this thread and quote me later. Obviously, from a gameplay perspective, there won't be any difference for multiplatform games.
His remarks end with "which means the gap between the PS5 and Xbox Series X is going to end up being irrelevant."
From a development standpoint. Has nothing to do with graphics. The Dirt devs also said the same about Series S despite the graphics being tweaked for that console, because he isn't (and wasn't) talking about graphics.
For the record I'm buying Dirt 5 on PS5 and expect it to look/run basically identical to the XSX version (along with other games). There's just nothing here that explicitly says that.
It's just kinda hard for me to utterly leave graphics out of the conversation with this context, but you're right.
And yeah, it's not like I personally care whether there's a difference or not. This is just for the sake of discussion.
Still not really comparable; XSX and PS5 may share system micro-architectures, but their macro-architectures are not the same.
Making any claim to the graphically output of either version from reading this article doesn't make sense. That's my only point.
Your claim in your previous post was that the term development used by a dev excludes any graphical API being considered, which is ludicrous.
No I didn't and I'm not about to be dragged into whatever this is. Enjoy your day.
You stated this:
"From a development standpoint. Has nothing to do with graphics. "
You made the statement. Not dragging you into anything. Except that statement is ludicrous.
If you couldn't infer what I meant through context then I don't know what to tell you. This game of semantics is pointless. You won whatever this was.
Goes with what Matt and other insiders have been saying for months.
PS5 and Series X are two great machines and it should be left at that.
PS5 and Series X are two great machines and it should be left at that.
That's what I was thinking haha. Codemasters is going all the way low with PC too, so they clearly built with scalability in mind. And it certainly helps that the two (all four, actually) machines have very similar CPUs (similar in all the ways).
Your inference was development means everything except graphical APIs, which is what is nonsensical. For example, it means game logic, physics, network coding et al, but somehow means nothing to do with graphics when the interviewer led with GPU differences.
Yeah it's a bit pathetic that people are desperate for there to be some gigantic difference between the two.
I imagine both will play and feel pretty similar and people should just get the one with the games they like the most (if they aren't getting both).