This is the reason I will be picking up an Xbox S X at launch, and I will wait for a year for the PS5. Bravo Microsoft, bravo!
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Series X Backwards Compatibility Tested - And The Performance Is Extreme
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As the PS3 was for the ps2 & ps1.
Haha I actually don't. I've played everything I want to play on ps4. Nothing that's coming out since tsushima interests me.
I only buy the games I want and play them then delete them.
I only ever have 1 game at a time installed until its finished. But I aren't interested in the majority of modern games.
Typically when I play old games (mostly dc) I want the experience to be as close to how it was.
Same controller same system etc.
Well, PS5 "enhancements" should have been free too. Was really expecting Sony to follow... and yet Spiderman is here : not buyable "alone" and must be bought in every case.
It's not a technical reason, but still, I"ll wait for a confirmation for enhanced backcompat...
BC games are more relevant than people want to give credit (Not with the casual crowd, but definitely with the hardcores like us)
I changed from PS to XBOX just because I want to play Virtua Fighter 5 Final Shodown and Panzer Dragoon Orta
I changed from PS to XBOX just because I want to play Virtua Fighter 5 Final Shodown and Panzer Dragoon Orta
What else are they going to lead with over a month before launch?
Sony has two completely separate consoles with completely separate games that are sometimes linked together using an entitlement program.
Xbox One and Xbox Series games on the other hand are functionally the same. Although it isn't mandatory, Microsoft encourages smart delivery and sees it as an extension of their backwards (forwards?) compatibility strategy. Whether Yakuza 5 on next-gen is a "Series X game" or a "One X game with a patch" largely comes down to semantics. That's why it's part of the general back compat discussion.
Isn't this just stuff that plays while you're driving around? I mean it's nice to have but I don't know why people get so worked up over it. 90% of the stuff in these games is on the level of El Sondito to me where I'd rather have the radio off than listen to the music without an option to skip tracks. If you really need the music, can't you just set up a Spotify playlist or something to play in the background?GTA IV's performance would have been great news if we hadn't lost a huge chunk of its soundtrack to terrible licensing. I can't imagine playing that game in this state, no matter how smoothly it runs.
Grand Theft Auto 4 update removes a long list of songs
Here’s everything that was removed in GTA 4’s updatewww.polygon.com
Hmmmm, how does that work? I'm not following how the 6TF GPU was delivering "only" 3TF of performance?Quoting the written article:
" I'm also curious to see how Xbox Series S backwards compatibility will land. If I can't yet find CPU limits in existing games, the chances are I won't be able to find it with Series S either. And from a GPU perspective, while the Series S GPU runs at four teraflops vs the 6TF in One X, it should actually be able to deploy more power at older games. Xbox One X split vertex and pixel shading across its 40 compute units, essentially delivering 3TF of performance - a limit that does not apply to Series X or Series S. "
Xbox Series X back-compat tested: up to double the performance in the most demanding games
UPDATE: Sometimes, we just can't leave well enough alone. I returned to Xbox Series X to take a look at more Xbox One a…www.eurogamer.net
Is this specific to BC mode for legacy 360 games? If so, that's not really what I'm looking for. I want to know how the Series S will run current-gen games.
I'm talking about your average COD and FIFA player. I have people on my list who seemingly never play anything except the same GAAS games, day in day out.
I hadn't heard about anything being taken out again, but I easily could have missed it.,
As far as we know, the Series S will run the One S version of games with improvements in resolution and performance, along with other "Series" Only improvements
How do you know this? We don't even know if PS5 will increase BC title performance at all on many titles.
Like you said, for this to possible, Rockstar would have to uncap the frame-rate.
I did not take it to mean that those games were patched in any way, just tested as functional.
Official report from Sony would be nice, yes.
Well one reason is that people can play games from the last gen they never got around to, but now with better image and framerate. Its not only about replaying titles you already have. In fact, I'd say the majority of time spent on backwards compatible titles are on first play throughs. Titles like Sekiro are a good example. That was a fairly recent title that many people haven't gotten around to. Now they can play it at a locked 60 fps at highest quality.
There are other titles people play forever, like Monster Hunter. Now they get to play that same title they already play everyday but at locked 60 fps framerates, etc.
Xbox One X ran bc games with only half the GPU power instead of 6tf.
We don't know yet how the S will do but CPU limited games will most likely run at the same fps as SeriesX.
Sure, of course your imaginary person that you define as not being into BC... wouldn't be into BC - you invented these persons for the sake of making some overall point. What is your point exactly? It matters a lot for anyone who wants to play a game that they could otherwise only play through BC. And then the enhancement on top of that...
Xbox is doing it over 4 generations with seamless cloud cross save, System level HDR plus performance enhancements (system level resolultion boost/fps boost) above and beyond the "boost mode" displayed in these videos. Plus these games also are able to take advantage of the system level features such as quick resume.
We still have no idea how any of this works on PS5, what games will work and what system level improvements are there to improve these experiences.
Looks very impressive. It does seem like there's still some sort of weird bottleneck in some games where it doesn't end up hitting the framerate cap 100% of the time but hopefully that's something they can solve. It will be interesting to see if they are successful in removing the framerate/resolution cap and allow certain games to go up to 4K/120fps.
I will definitely have to wait and see with my own eyeballs how well the auto-HDR works but overall, yeah...I'm glad there's a couple games I'm saving for next-gen.
But a lot of PS3 games had terrible ports and a lot of PS4/XB1 games were choked by their CPUs. Why would you prefer to play on original hardware if you can get better/stable performance on your new console that you were buying anyways?
I will definitely have to wait and see with my own eyeballs how well the auto-HDR works but overall, yeah...I'm glad there's a couple games I'm saving for next-gen.
But a lot of PS3 games had terrible ports and a lot of PS4/XB1 games were choked by their CPUs. Why would you prefer to play on original hardware if you can get better/stable performance on your new console that you were buying anyways?
Not every functionality has to be useful to everyone.
Those people won't care about backcompat, but maybe they will like smart delivery. And if they don't care about backcompat and smart delivery maybe they would like Game Pass, etc...
I think the Xbox team is offering a lot of great possibilities. Not all will appeal to everyone, but it's still interesting to have more "value".
Yeah, that's what I was assuming with my prior post.
But the person I was replying to cited a line from the DF writeup that seemed to suggest otherwise. That at least the Series S might run BC games as-well as the One X.
I am not questioning MS approach, I am saying we should remember how it started- Playstation had BC by conscious decision. How they were implementing and how they approached designing next machine is a different story - as I described , in a disastrous way not caring about anything but tying developers with some exotic choices that were forcing exclusivity for PS first and foremost.
Got it. So the Series S will run legacy 360 games (like GTA IV) better than the Series X, but not current-gen XB1X games.
Makes sense.
With MS putting this much care into backward and forward compatibility is starting to get really hard to justify ever buying a multi platform game for me on PlayStation. PlayStation still makes some of my favorite ip but damn I don't know how much money I want to throw at the platform anymore, hopefully they wow us with ps4 stuff on ps5 too and make a commitment to future compatibility.
They really have to start working on figuring out ps1 to ps3. At minimum ps1 and 2 should be in there, there's no more room for excuses.
They really have to start working on figuring out ps1 to ps3. At minimum ps1 and 2 should be in there, there's no more room for excuses.
Jealous as fuck of Microsoft's work. I just hope they can expand the selection (or just have a basic mode that runs everything without downloading but no "enhancements"). How does it currently work on Xbox One X, can you stick the disc in, download the full game emulated (with the disc just being an authenticator), can you then take the console offline and continue to play it?
Chances are I won't ever play them again as I've played them recently.
But when I do I want it to be exact performance never bothered me in fact I dislike most 60fps games as the controls feel too loose like the character is skating across the game world.
For example I played mgs v on ps3 as I felt the movement felt as weighty as a character of that physique sound feel where as on ps4 (only played gz on ps4) it felt like i was controlling a figure skater.
I'm weird I know that.
Great work by Richard and the team. I don't know if it's been discussed but why did the scene with the velociraptor like monster in Monster Hunter World, seemed to be a different colour on Series X, compared to One X?
I sense some passive aggression in this comment. Maybe try follow my discussion next time.
Wish they showed RDR2. Though I suspect that'll need a patch to really take advantage, but I dunno
Based on the hitman 2 example, 12.155 TF GCN gets beat by 9.2tf RDNA1 handily. Xsx would need 650+GB/s bandwidth to beat the RX 5700 XT when running the CUs in BC mode. Hope that more devs can patch their games to make full use of Navi.
One of the reasons I'm getting the Xbox this time around. With plenty of games I haven't played from this generation and Gamepass is going to have tons of games to play and those games will be performing better than ever before. This is especially interesting as the start of generations generally has very little new and interesting games to play.
I'll probably get the PS5 eventually. But funnily enough, there seems to be a whole lot more interesting stuff to play on the Xbox in comparison to the PS5 even though there aren't any worthwhile launch titles.
I'll probably get the PS5 eventually. But funnily enough, there seems to be a whole lot more interesting stuff to play on the Xbox in comparison to the PS5 even though there aren't any worthwhile launch titles.
Do we know if the Series S will feature these sort of framerate (not resolution, obviously) boosts?
I mean, to me I listen to every single radio station in the GTA games, and listen to every single song. Part of the fun is finding all kinds of new stuff whether it's popular stuff you just never listened to before or obscure stuff. If you don't really care about music or have really really narrow tastes then sure.
Spotify and playlists don't work as different car types have different station preferences which is part of the fun. And then you lose the commercials and other things.
Because that comes from the fact how these improvements are delivered. They are delivered by consciously programming the game to push for highest resolution/framerate hardware supports, not coding res and framerate into the game. These games were developed allowing for dynamic resolutions, and that's how they deliver improvements on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. It's gonna be the same on PS5 (for these games)
Nice ad hominem. Maybe realize that you don't have some almighty insight to "the average" player than anyone else, especially compared to the people who actually made the feature in the first place. They didn't make it because no one wants it... They have data that you don't. All my FIFA and CoD bros are stoked about it *shrugs*
Right. As opposed to Microsoft just magically unconsciously deciding to include BC. What are you even talking about...? Who did it at launch? Who did it first? Because Nintendo and others have Sony beat there, too. Because of their commitment to improving their software, Microsoft now has the best BC in history outside of PC. Who care if Sony did it "better" 20 years ago lmao
Was No Man's Sky tested post-patch? The upgrade there alone is almost worth it. NMS is never consistent in any mode.
Also, holy shit at @ GTAIV. Almost makes me want to fire that up again. Can you still buy the DLC? Never played it.
Also, holy shit at @ GTAIV. Almost makes me want to fire that up again. Can you still buy the DLC? Never played it.
COD players care about BC. Black ops 2 was a best seller on NPD once it became BC:
Backward compatible boost makes Call of Duty: Black Ops II the 10th best selling game of April
It seems that all of that pent up demand for Call of Duty: Black Ops II on Xbox backward compatibility paid off for Activision, with the game cracking the top ten best selling games ...
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