It gives you a tiny bit of less input lag, that's it... NOT worth at all on a console game, especially if you know that can't sustain 60fps all the time!!!
Raiden you still have the same drops on dock mode too.
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Digital Foundry: The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening Switch Remake - Absolutely Unmissable
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Raiden you still have the same drops on dock mode too.
I've been playing it with ReverseNX and it pretty much gives you locked 60fps in docked mode with the handheld flag, no OC is needed as the docked gpu clock is by default high enough to get locked 60fps.
The equivalent for handheld is to connect a charger and overclock gpu to 768 = same as docked mode gpu. Docked mode itself is not fixed by an OC.
I just played it a little...
The framerate is absolutely terrible. How can you release a game like that? It chugs everywhere, literally everywhere, even in the god damn intro sequence!!! As soon as you wake up in the bed: Framedrops. Go outside the house framerate drops to 30, after 5 seconds goes up to 60, then still struggles.
Also why can't you move Link with the dpad?? It's 8 directions only, perfectly made for a dpad and you can't use it? Why?
The framerate is absolutely terrible. How can you release a game like that? It chugs everywhere, literally everywhere, even in the god damn intro sequence!!! As soon as you wake up in the bed: Framedrops. Go outside the house framerate drops to 30, after 5 seconds goes up to 60, then still struggles.
Also why can't you move Link with the dpad?? It's 8 directions only, perfectly made for a dpad and you can't use it? Why?
I can understand your complaint about the D Pad, I played it in portable mode and with the Pro controller in docked mode, this game was pretty precise.
I never had much issue with the framerate, only in the beginning and sometimes in the middle. But it wasn't that bad.
I have a launch Switch.
This is something that has stood out to me and it's incredibly distracting. It also seems to be happening to my game more than any of the YT footage I've seen. Everything on the screen is just constantly shimmering and flickering
This is because, in general, it's not actually a GPU load issue. However, in LA, lowering the target resolution will also lower the baseline render target, which will free up memory resources, conceivably to the point where the game doesn't hitch while loading, so the double-buffered v-sync has no reason to drop down to 30fps.
I'd imagine a memory OC would be most effective at higher resolutions, but there are limitation as to how far you can push that on Switch.
If you have a perfect 60fps during the loading screen, then and only then can we say that the problem has been completely fixed.
Yeah, youtube compression hides it but it's very noticeable when actually playing.
Thanks for summarising. Memory is already set at its default maximum value of 1600MHz in docked mode so no room to manoeuvre there. Using ReverseNX in this manner utilises docked clock speeds so the handheld graphical profile receives an overclock automatically: cpu remains the same, gpu increases from 384 to 768MHz, and Memory clock increases from 1331.2 to 1600MHz.
Overclocking when undocked seems to yield similar results with only a gpu overclock to 768MHz, 460.8MHz is not enough. note - A charger is required to be connected for the 768MHz undocked overclock for system protection.
Further overclocking to cpu and gpu is possible but not necessary for the handheld graphical profile and seemingly has no obvious effect on the docked graphical profile.
I would love to see you do some analysis with overclocking if you have access to a Switch that can run homebrew, although perhaps not within the scope of Gamexplain coverage.
Thanks. Yeah, even though lowering the resolution of the render target is necessary to avoid hitches, you still need decent speeds to move that data, so that makes sense.
I'd love to do it but it's firmly outside of the purview for the channel. Thanks for the info though.
Cool. I think it also may be interest to you that the game uses cpu and gpu clock speeds of 1785MHz and
To confirm, that's on a non homebrew Switch. Funnily enough if you use overclocking you don't get this boosted loading mode anymore as your custom configuration controls the clock speeds and keeps them constant.
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What's the performance difference between internal and SD download?
I have it on SD card cuz that's what it defaults to and it started downloading before I could switch it but I can move it over if I want to.
Just curious what the difference is.
The stutters are noticeable and kinda annoying, but it just doesn't bother me very much. Not a huge deal to me. Not enough to really detract from the experience.
I have it on SD card cuz that's what it defaults to and it started downloading before I could switch it but I can move it over if I want to.
Just curious what the difference is.
The stutters are noticeable and kinda annoying, but it just doesn't bother me very much. Not a huge deal to me. Not enough to really detract from the experience.
How's the framerate during the loading screen when OC'd on the handheld profile? You can use the loading icon to determine the framerate during loading (there should be no stuttering at 60fps).
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Depends. During hitches, anywhere from 3fps to 10fps or more. However, internal avoids some hitches that SD doesn't, so in those cases you're looking at a 30fps difference (60fps vs 30fps).
It feels like maybe they should have just targeted a locked 720p docked and focused on that. Also these games need a performance mode.
I bought it on cartridge today but haven't opened it. Is the cartridge going to likely perform the same as SD card? Should I return the game cart and buy it digitally so I can go with the internal memory install?
Cart is likely to perform similar to SD. If you want the smoothest experience I'd recommend returning the game and downloading to internal storage. It won't completely fix the issue, but caching is much more consistent when loading from internal memory, so you will encounter less dips to 30fps overall.
Mostly trolls who rave about God of War and it's incredible 45fps framerate mode...
They didn't even need to do that. Just fix the memory allocation issue so that the render target doesn't change when loading. Problem solved.
I'm in the same boat as you and I'm a PC gamer who emulates BotW so I can enjoy that 60fps 4K silky smoothness. ERA had me ready to hate the game's performance but I played two hours last night and just loved the experience. Gameplay and presentation are so fun I stopped noticing the framerate about 5 minutes in. I'm NOT trying to downplay other people's sensitivity to the issue, but I am thankful that it doesn't bother me so much personally.
After finally playing it myself to see what the frame rate fuss has been all about, I have to say it's incredibly noticable. What sucks is that it happens so frequently so my eyes catch it every shift and it's fairly jarring. However the game is completely playable and it's not going to impact my enjoyment of it.
I don't think it would affect my enjoyment too much, but I have so much else to play so I'm willing to wait to see if they drop a patch. I've never play LTTP before so maybe I'll start playing that instead.
With the amount of games released recently and a ton more on the way I totally hear ya. If you're in the mood for Zelda and haven't played that particular gem then by all means you should go for it. Link's Awakening isn't going anywhere.
This game looks awful. Art style and framerate.
*looks at pictures of minish cap
Sigh what could have been.
*looks at pictures of minish cap
Sigh what could have been.
The outrage over the frame rate is truly something else.
To quote Indiana Jones: "This is an obsession, dad! I never understood it. Never. Neither did mom."
To quote Indiana Jones: "This is an obsession, dad! I never understood it. Never. Neither did mom."
Indeed, It was advertised as a 30 fps game on consoles
Unlike, well... This mess :p
I can really understand the complaint regarding framerate. As you already wrote. I am using emulation as well and also sensitive to framerate. But it was not bothering me either. I am not downplaying it either. But sometimes the complaint is a little bit on the hyperbole side. This game is still a joy playing with those performance issues. It is a joy nonetheless.
I ended up picking up the Genesis mini, because I assumed supply would be limited (I already missed out on the two controller package), but I'm looking forward to playing this in the future.
Even though I kind of would rather it be the Seasons/Ages games.
Even though I kind of would rather it be the Seasons/Ages games.
While it doesn't bother me that much, I still think it's strange that they chose to release the game in this state. The unpolished feel is always there... nagging, and detracting from the overall experience.
It really is wind waker all over again.
Time will prove all the thoughts like this wrong again.
The art style is incredible but it's completely marred by the awful IQ on any decently sized TV. It really makes no sense at all for the game to not be running at 1080p 30fps. Instead we get the worst of both worlds - sub native resolution half the time and a terrible "60fps". Just silly.
I played a bit last night between Borderlands 3 legendary farming...
Visually the game is stunning. I love the art direction and it was definitely a smart and logical choice. But holy hell the performance is really jarring. Definitely not something I'd expect from Nintendo, despite it being developed by Grezzo (who has a good track record too). It really needs a performance patch, YESTERDAY!
Visually the game is stunning. I love the art direction and it was definitely a smart and logical choice. But holy hell the performance is really jarring. Definitely not something I'd expect from Nintendo, despite it being developed by Grezzo (who has a good track record too). It really needs a performance patch, YESTERDAY!
Stable 30fps is far better than something that jumps between 30 & 60.
Stable 60fps is the best though.
Most of reviewers said game is beautiful despite not best IQ (its far from awful), also, no it's silly to assume that game could run at locked 1080p/30 fps, instead most of time 720p with unstable 60 fps.
Reviewers are the last people I'd listen to about what looks good and how something runs. It's running at 720p half the time blown up to 50+ inch TVs, there's no way that looks good.
This wasn't advertised as locked 60fps so... and BL3 doesn't always stick to 30fps so I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that.