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Digital Foundry: RDR2 2: PS4 Pro/Xbox One X 1080p + 'Fake' HDR Analysis
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So for someone who has a Pro and an X, a 1080p display, and a copy for each platform, is the X still the version to go with or are the improvements on the Pro when displaying at 1080p and SSAA off come out with better performance over the X?
restart your game after turning off hdr on x1x. the image yiu are seeing is wrong. its oversaturated and just plain wrong. when you restart your game, the game will look a lot like the hdr image but not as bright.
both X and Pro struggle to hold a smooth 30fps in populated towns and consistently drop below it in 4K. At least in X's case it has the pristine crisp native 4K that makes small drops acceptable whereas the Pro with its blurry broken CB rendering ruining image quality on top of having framedrops is just salt on the wound... running it in 1080p fixes both problems at the moment
I don't have the Xbox version, but I can turn HDR on/off using the in-game menus on PS4 rather than turning HDR off system-wide.
Do you prefer better IQ or better fps? Then you get your answer.
So with this change, the X has better image quality and the Pro has better performance?
That is so weird. So if you have a Pro and a 4K TV you can't set it at 1080p native?
You can but you can't turn off downsampling as I understand it.
Just look at the video. Performance is practically the same on both from what I saw.
Yes. The Pro is basically displaying the game as a base PS4 would. That headroom gives the frame rate an uptick.
Yes you can, the Pro doesn't offer super sampling at all on 4K sets so the option isn't available and defaults to off so simply setting your resolution to 1080p on a 4K set is enough
Okay, I didn't watch it yet since I'm trying to go into the game fresh without seeing much of it but won't be able to start until this weekend. I'm trying to decide which version to open. How different is the performance between the two?
I don't want to see anything on the game before I play it.
Yup, always happens. People suck. I wish i could just disable comments all together, fuckers.
uhhhh shit is getting too complicated, i feel like im a pc gamer again :/ how exactly am i supposed to be playing this on PS4 Pro and a 1080p tv? do i turn super sampling off? or on? why?
technically yes, but I'd hesitate to say that the performance difference is pronounced enough (or seen commonly enough) to outweigh the difference in image quality, which is always apparent. Either way, you can't really go wrong with either version of the game. RDR2 stays at 30fps during the overwhelming majority of the time on every platform/configuration tested in this video, and stays looking super good doing it.
If we were talking about a God of War-level difference between the 4K and 1080p configs for the Pro version, then I'd advocate for that. However, I think I'd choose the X's substantial image quality improvement over the Pro 1080p config's rare 1-2fps performance improvement.
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I don't have an X, but I imagine that would still be your best bet, since the native 4K supersampled will be a clear upgrade to the native 1080p of the Pro and you'll only be getting slightly worse performance for that much cleaner image.
I got a Pro, and would usually take the higher resolution with some frame drops over a locked 1080p30, but the supersampling option on Red Dead is so poorly implemented that it's hardly an improvement over the native 1080p. In my opinion it looks worse overall actually, minus the hair.
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You know what, I'm dumb and can't read sentences properly.
BuBu Jenkins was correct, super sampling is disabled completely. For some reason I was looking at an option *TO* disable it.
BuBu Jenkins was correct, super sampling is disabled completely. For some reason I was looking at an option *TO* disable it.
The x drops one frame every now and again but runs the game at 4 times the resolution of the pro in the 1080p mode. You'll have to decide what's more important too you.
Yes turn it off. You get a boost to framerate and the messy res on Pro means SS provides little benefit.
The X drops 1-2 fps in the most taxing scene but it's very rare. Not sure if it can go lower because most of the times DF never goes too far deeper in their stress testing. VGtech channel on youtube is more accurate if you want to check.
Hdr is definitely not a mistake when done well and nd viewed on a capable tv. in this instance "hdr" by rockstar was a mistake.
Thank you richard for calling out Rockstar on their subpar reconstruction method. So many people giving them a pass, dude, look at other game solutions and its easy to see they can do better!
i know it's not 4K related, but i'm playing it in 1080p native on a base PS4 through a panasonic plasma, and the IQ is razor sharp
i have now seen it on a Pro, and admittedly there is a softness to it. i mean the guys 4K LED TV is pretty cheap and mediocre to be honest, but still... Pro, 4K, 4K TV, and my base, 1080p, plasma, i feel looks better...
disclaimer; obviously that's not the case for all games
i have now seen it on a Pro, and admittedly there is a softness to it. i mean the guys 4K LED TV is pretty cheap and mediocre to be honest, but still... Pro, 4K, 4K TV, and my base, 1080p, plasma, i feel looks better...
disclaimer; obviously that's not the case for all games
I'm pretty sure Pro 4K is still the better IQ overall than base on 1080.The image is still going to be cleaner it's just it comes with some unwanted side effects.
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Subjective, also definitely not *a lot* in either case. Please see this post for more SSAA on/off comparisons:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/14433422/
Pretty much.
Good on DF to make another video clearing up all of the confusion. It's sad to see, and I would have never thought it would happen, that the PS4 Pro utilization of this game is so poor. I wouldn't have bought it had I known. They even had a marketing deal with Sony and sold the game bundled with the PS4 Pro.
Other visually demanding open world games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Far Cry 5, Spider-Man and AC Odyssey show the Pro can bring great image quality to the table if properly utilized. There's really no excuse.
Other visually demanding open world games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Far Cry 5, Spider-Man and AC Odyssey show the Pro can bring great image quality to the table if properly utilized. There's really no excuse.
Great work on this video, very interesting and informative! I hope some progress can be made over the next month or so.
Even on a base console, I'm used to those one or two scenes in games where the framerate dips in an otherwise smooth performance - so having a scene or two like that on the X wouldn't bother me so much. It's interesting which version is a totally framerate-stable version of the game, though - the 1080P-native-only one.
Even on a base console, I'm used to those one or two scenes in games where the framerate dips in an otherwise smooth performance - so having a scene or two like that on the X wouldn't bother me so much. It's interesting which version is a totally framerate-stable version of the game, though - the 1080P-native-only one.
Well, the pro in that instance is rendering 1/4th the pixels.
Also, the HDR heatmap overlays that Rich uses the in the video ala EvilBoris are fascinating :)
I have test this in my own LG tv and can clearly see the without SS benefits + the framerate is rocksolid 30.
Pro seems to be locked 30, while X is locked 30 in most areas, but in Saint Denis it can drop an isolated frame here and there. In any of the shown footage it doesn't go below 29, so it's almost locked, but technically it's not. Not a big difference, then, and the IQ difference is significant, as one might expect from SSAA.
Odyssey HDR is also not great
I actually really rate it, which is why we chose to use it in the video
Yes, it's broken, the image is soft and framerate can dip sometimes.
Patch can fix it but let's wait and see.
I think that this look absolutely great in Pro without SS, really good looking game.
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You guys do you, but there's no reason to believe the resolution on Pro will be patched, so I'm not sure what the point is. You've already paid for the game, might as well play it.
It has a slight performance lead in the city but its literally a difference of 4x the rendering output. I think most Pro owners didn't buy the system for 1080p
Guess I shouldn't even be surprised, it's still pathetic though, wow.
Sure, but I have read posts where people were very annoyed by the framerate drops (even rare) on the XBX version. Technically the game plays best on Pro, not on XBX, so I think it's just fair that people know that, particularly if they only own 1080p TVs.
