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Did Sony surpass Ubisoft with downgrading games visually?
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An unfortunate reality.
Many are saying the games end up looking great anyway. That's not what's being argued here.
Many are saying the games end up looking great anyway. That's not what's being argued here.
But then OP wouldnt be able to get his opinion across with that super cherry picked video thumbnail
The TLOU II "downgrades" mainly come from 2 things: 1) Animations not playing out as buttery smooth in most normal gameplay (they're still the gold standard), with a couple of the ones showcased being removed. First part is a normal consequence of what normal gameplay entails (if I dodge like a moron at the wrong time, it shouldn't look smooth), second is most likely a decision that comes from how said animations would play out. Getting stuck on a hard surface while dodging to show off a pretty animation would look good but might get the player killed.
2) Some differences in how the lighting system works and ennemies not having models as detailed and distinct as the ones in the vertical slice. First part is likely a mix of artistic choices (some of which look better) and performance cuts, second part is also logical, why wouldn't they put their best character models in a trailer?
At the end of the day, 99% of the tech showcased is there and in motion the game looks just as good, and better than any other game on the market. Calling it a downgrade is a huge exaggeration.
Ghost of Tsushima is clearly a case of Sucker Punch trying to punch above their weight class (as a "smaller" studio) for a vertical slice and having to scale down their ambitions for the entire world to look as good as possible. Again, the tech showcased (lighting, particles, foliage, draw distance, ...) is in the final game, and looks stunning most of then time, but cuts were made. It's a downgrade, but nowhere near as huge as Watch Dogs was.
Both games got close enough to what we saw of them before for me to believe that the intent wasn't to straight up lie (like Ubi has done in the past), but a matter of setting the bar a little bit too high.
2) Some differences in how the lighting system works and ennemies not having models as detailed and distinct as the ones in the vertical slice. First part is likely a mix of artistic choices (some of which look better) and performance cuts, second part is also logical, why wouldn't they put their best character models in a trailer?
At the end of the day, 99% of the tech showcased is there and in motion the game looks just as good, and better than any other game on the market. Calling it a downgrade is a huge exaggeration.
Ghost of Tsushima is clearly a case of Sucker Punch trying to punch above their weight class (as a "smaller" studio) for a vertical slice and having to scale down their ambitions for the entire world to look as good as possible. Again, the tech showcased (lighting, particles, foliage, draw distance, ...) is in the final game, and looks stunning most of then time, but cuts were made. It's a downgrade, but nowhere near as huge as Watch Dogs was.
Both games got close enough to what we saw of them before for me to believe that the intent wasn't to straight up lie (like Ubi has done in the past), but a matter of setting the bar a little bit too high.
Hmmm I think not with TLOU2. Not quite as good as the initial footage but close enough. With GOT is that a different time of day or something? Looks very different.
Lol, imagine trying to pull The Last of Us Part 2 into this. The game looks largely the same, and actually better in some areas, as per the Digital Foundry analysis.
The worst downgrade this gen was The Witcher 3, but y'all just pretend that didn't happen because it's The Witcher 3.
The worst downgrade this gen was The Witcher 3, but y'all just pretend that didn't happen because it's The Witcher 3.
What you would then label graphical downgrade that isn't graphical downgrade, or we just jumping some hoops to give Sony 1st party pass?
W_D and TW3 were dragged hard here for "game ruining graphical downgrades" even when, especially latter, both still looked good for their time.
3rd) they clearly used cutscene models during gameplay in their real time gameplay demos, which were downgraded in the final game. The game still looks incredible, but nobody can deny it got downgraded. Accept the fact.
These threads really get me in the mood to game.
because they're so boring and petty that I don't even wanna stay logged in
because they're so boring and petty that I don't even wanna stay logged in
I still don't understand how Tlou2 can run on ps4 hardware, it's phenomenal. And you forgot to mention the cutscene that was upgraded. So I'm not gonna complain over that...
When games are showed years in advance, things will change, for the better or worse. That's how it will always be.
The only solution is to not show games in advance, which is not always viable.
When games are showed years in advance, things will change, for the better or worse. That's how it will always be.
The only solution is to not show games in advance, which is not always viable.
Let's be honest a second, people don't care As long if it's not from Ubisoft and we know that resetera has a very strong Sony vibes so...
no matter what publishers is doing it, they need to stop, just show what the game really looks like and we'll be good
no matter what publishers is doing it, they need to stop, just show what the game really looks like and we'll be good
Even if the games don't look as good as an earlier demo I think it's a mistake to want one without the other.
I don't think Watch Dogs looks as good as it does without the early demo. Same with The Division. Same with Anthem, or Ghost of Tsushima, or The Last of Us Part 2.
They're throwing their bag over the fence before knowing if they can climb it. They won't always reach the top but they'll go higher than they would otherwise.
I think the issue is people dismissing downgrade talk - 'oh, this again'. That's the disincentive to 'false' visuals. The Division doesn't get full credit for how good it looks because it didn't live up to the demo, but it's still an amazing looking game - that's the cost.
I don't think Watch Dogs looks as good as it does without the early demo. Same with The Division. Same with Anthem, or Ghost of Tsushima, or The Last of Us Part 2.
They're throwing their bag over the fence before knowing if they can climb it. They won't always reach the top but they'll go higher than they would otherwise.
I think the issue is people dismissing downgrade talk - 'oh, this again'. That's the disincentive to 'false' visuals. The Division doesn't get full credit for how good it looks because it didn't live up to the demo, but it's still an amazing looking game - that's the cost.
the comparison video is a joke in most scenes, because it's a completely different time of day, hence completely different lighting. I'm sure DF will come up with a better matching comparison
Both still look awesome and I won't say whether or not they have passed Ubisoft but this needs to stop regardless. Can't stand this misleading stuff.
Surprised it took this long to get to "Era leans Sony!" fanboy nonsense.
Those videos are what the games really looked like at the time. The solution is just not to show the game at all until near launch, but people moan about that too.
You are correct that things can change, but should we give a studio years into current gen the doubt that they didn't know their cutscene models won't work during gameplay on PS4? They knew about this imo and still used them. That's not a artistic difference it's a downgrade in TLOU2
Can we wait for DF and NX Gamer analyses for Ghost of Tsushima before jumping to conclusions? Tiny compressed Youtube comparisons are hard to directly compare. DF analyses usually give full context, such as lighting or artistic changes, variable dynamic time and weather changes or straight up missing graphical effects or features.
DF analysis has shown that TLOU2 has aspects that were missing in the final game, AND aspects that were changed artistically and other aspects that were upgrades as well.
DF analysis has shown that TLOU2 has aspects that were missing in the final game, AND aspects that were changed artistically and other aspects that were upgrades as well.
DF has a very strong Sony vibe too? Both games are impressive.
You realise game design is constantly changing right ? The only solution is to reveal the game closer to release. That, or we can all stop acting like this is the only gameplay footage released prior to launch.
How does the time of day reduce the detail in all those trees?
The horror.
Read again what I wrote. I never said anything about trees. I never said there was no downgrade at all. Just that the comparison video is bad in "most" scenes.
I'm hoping it's just console release bullshit and people will get it out of their system.
It's not false advertising or a competition. Both Ubisoft and Sony along with all publishers have downgraded games, some upgraded games and games that where accurate to the public release. That's just how game development goes.
Hot damn!
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