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Did anyone else like Skyfall more than Casino Royale?
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Casino Royale was my real introduction to the Bond Franchise, and I've been disappointed ever since. CR is a regular top-tier movie for me.
I think I prefer Skyfall. I've only seen both once though, when they were still new. Should do a rewatch of both to be sure.
Did not like Spectre and Quantum of Solace. Spectre did have exquisite opening.
Edit: It's been a long time as I said, but I remember being bothered how "in your face" Casino Royale felt about it being new kind of Bond.
Did not like Spectre and Quantum of Solace. Spectre did have exquisite opening.
Edit: It's been a long time as I said, but I remember being bothered how "in your face" Casino Royale felt about it being new kind of Bond.
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Casino Royale is the better movie. Skyfall has better cinematography.
What Skyfall doesn't have is Hannibal cracking James Bond's eggs.
What Skyfall doesn't have is Hannibal cracking James Bond's eggs.
Skyfall is OK, but it really really falls apart with the "Home Alone" scene at the end, IMO. Casino Royale, on the other hand, is damn near perfect.
I feel like Quantum of Solace could have been really good if they made some minor tweaks to the script, and maybe found a better fit at director. That opera scene is still really great IMO, as is the opening chase sequence. There are a lot of individually great sequences in that film but the movie as a whole just never really comes together.
QoS is only worth mentioning BECAUSE of that opera scene. Just so damn good, and kinda felt like a Hitman game for a moment.
skyfall is like 6 hours long and boring as sin
the entire house part of the film felt completely interminable
the entire house part of the film felt completely interminable
Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are the only good Daniel Craig Bond movies. The others are legitimately awful.
I think there's some weird stuff with the general direction/editing of Casino Royale, but it has the best writing out of any Bond movie.
Skyfall is a good movie, but it's just lesser.
Skyfall is a good movie, but it's just lesser.
I don't think there would be a question about who was the best Bond if that happened. Hopefully, No Time to Dies reinforces the odd number Craig films being good.
They are both top 10 Bond. Problem is Casino Royal is number one.
Also Quantum is a tad underrated. The opera scene is incredible.
Edit: Ah h1nch and BossAttack know what I'm talking about.
Also Quantum is a tad underrated. The opera scene is incredible.
Edit: Ah h1nch and BossAttack know what I'm talking about.
Skyfall was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Until Spectre came along and made it look incredible by comparison.
Kind of like Resident Evil 6 retroactively made Resi 5 look like a good game.
Kind of like Resident Evil 6 retroactively made Resi 5 look like a good game.
Casino Royale is the better film, but damn if Skyfall doesn't give me something that's like a best of both in how it somehow mashes up the more serious toned Daniel Craig era Bond with the classic formula of Bond fuckery.
Definitely both in my fave five Bond films.
Definitely both in my fave five Bond films.
I don't even think it's particularly close. Skyfall is twice the film Casino Royale is. CR feels way too long and the action overload in the first act is just exhausting.
Quantum of Solace has awful editing, but I think is otherwise actually a fantastic, well-paced movie.
Spectre sucks.
Quantum of Solace has awful editing, but I think is otherwise actually a fantastic, well-paced movie.
Spectre sucks.
I found casino royal enjoyable and a good start to danial craig's run, but overall I prefer skyfall for the performances and story and tend to watch it more than Casino royal.
I found Quantum of Solace to be the most forgettable of Craig's bond films.
I found Quantum of Solace to be the most forgettable of Craig's bond films.
I don't know what the OP is talking about. Skyfall completely fumbles the arc for Bond/M that it so expertly sets up. It's one of the most frustrating things about the film (apart from the re-introduction of the Bond formula) and the thing that stops it from being great.
Casino Royale > Quantum > Skyfall >>>>>>>>> who the fuck cares about Spectre.
Casino Royale > Quantum > Skyfall >>>>>>>>> who the fuck cares about Spectre.
About the same for me. Both had very weak third acts, though that's pretty typical for Bond films.
I liked Casino Royale a lot but I found the last act of the film totally unbelievable, I think partially because I never really got that it was supposed to be a reboot of sorts and so
I didn't love Skyfall either, but I dislike it much less than the last part of Casino Royale.
Bond would of course do something completely and utterly stupid in the name of love or whatever. I honestly waited the whole time for the reveal that yes Bond knew the whole thing was some kind of trap and he had a plan, but no: turns out he didn't, he was just stupid.
I didn't love Skyfall either, but I dislike it much less than the last part of Casino Royale.
I actually really like QOS and its opera scene, but I think I prefer MI: Rogue Nation's opera sequence, as superficially derivative as it is. It feels like it captures the sneaky sneaky thrilling infiltration component of Hitman a little better (even QOS is the only one with a disguise switch). I honestly think the RN opera sequence might be the best sequence in the entire Mission Impossible series.
In hindsight, this is exactly what makes QOS good, and separates it from the rest of the series. The Quantum organisation isn't the fiendishly moustache twirling villain of bygone Bond films. They're soberingly real and feasible. They operate like a large corporation, promoting a green energy image while privatising everything they can get their hands on, including fucking water, then they pay off politicians and buddy up with foreign intelligence agencies, providing them with scapegoats while keeping their eyes off the really real long term problems the planet is facing.
The result? An entire country's underclass can't access its own water supply and begins to die, but because Quantum's operating within the confines of what agencies like the CIA deem acceptable, there isn't even an effort to stop these injustices. And this is heavily implied to be just one operation amongst dozens and dozens of unknown injustices around the world that the CIA and MI6/Westminster are happily turning a blind eye to if it means they continue getting something in return. It's chilling when Greene has the General sign away the land rights where the water is located because it's such a footnote of a moment. A few people sign some forms and with that, millions of lives have been altered for the worse without anyone much knowing, wondering why or caring. Forget brazen villainy. This is modern evil. Where SPECTRE was a terrorist organisation with a capital 'T', Quantum blurs the lines between terrorism and just good old fashion legal capitalism.
The only reason they get taken down - and to be clear, they don't; only this one small piece of the global operation does - is because Bond operates outside of his bureaucratic orders, fuelled entirely by vengeance and a personal vendetta, to take this guy down. The film isn't mincing words: the injustices around the world aren't problems the US and UK are desperately trying to fix; they're in fact part of the plan, a sacrifice it takes to keep things running smoothly in the west. It's really the only Bond film that's willing to cast such damning indictment, and it's a far cry from the stiff upper lip British fellatio the older Bond films (and dare I say it, Skyfall) represent.
QOS is a mess. It's still probably the second best Bond film regardless.
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Hell nah. Skyfall had some nice cinematography but that's about it. Completely forgettable plot.
This, right here.
Skyfall as a whole is overrated, I think. And yeah, Casino Royale is still the best Bond movie ever made. So, it's no contest really.
That's fair, I think I tend to expect more of a dramatic twist from my Bond villains. When I got Desert Enron, I felt a bit underwhelmed. Like, do we even need Bond for this? Maybe we could send in the Leverage team to take them down (I kid, I kid).
I will say, my favorite villain of the grandiose style remains Valentine from the Kingsmen movie. He didn't want to kill people, it was the only option left after he had exhausted all the others.
I thought Skyfall was the better film after my first watch, but subsequently I came to realize how weak the writing is. The plot really pushed my disbelief to the breaking point, and for a Bond film that's saying something.
No matter how many times I watch Casino Royale, it still ranks near the top, but for me Skyfall has dropped out of the top five and maybe even the top ten.
No matter how many times I watch Casino Royale, it still ranks near the top, but for me Skyfall has dropped out of the top five and maybe even the top ten.
