Demon's Souls will feature over 180 videos in the PS5's game help interface

[PlanetSmasher]

I don't see anything wrong with this as long as they aren't gonna like spoil every single sidequest for players.

At the very least it'll be funny to see a narrator try to explain how world tendency works.

 

[xem]

hmm i wonder if there will be trophies for not using game help? that would be something.

 

[Jamie]

This is pretty cool for those who enjoy these games but don't have the time (family, work, illness) to really figure things out. I'm glad for these type of options, we need more of this in video games.

 

[DanteMenethil]

All the videos being a black screen with the white letters : "Git gud"

 

[TheRealTalker]

These games dont have an easy mode because "dont use it" was never part of the intended experience.

For me atleast it seems sony view external forums/youtube as time spent away from the console, and therefore time they arent capitalizing on

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it is a feature a QoL improvement that no one is forced to use

Sony isn't stopping anyone from going to forums, etc...

if people don't want to use they can just not use it but the feature is still there

 

[a916]

Are these included on the disc/install or are they streamed in? Just curious how they work.

 

[V has come to]

I don't particularly like this.

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then don't fucking watch them jesus christ

 

[ElNerdo]

meh, as long as it doesn't keep coming up with a notification or something i don't care. its good to have for new players or if you are truly stuck.

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Based on the ui reveal, you have to actively go into the menu for help. So you won't have any notifications in the way.

 

[The Third Heat]

I love this. This is a great compromise to the lack of accessibility. Hopefully it's useful for new players and eliminates the need to read endless wikis and watch 20 minute "beginner build" videos on YouTube. That kind of gatekeeping is the worst.

 

[Deleted member 54073]

I don't particularly like this.

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Don't use it then?

 

[DominicanGlory]

I don't particularly like this.

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Don't use it?

 

[Chamon]

180 videos that say "Git Gud"

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That would be awesome xD

 

[zombiejames]

There's your easy mode. And that's on top of helper NPCs, co-op, and the original magic system.

 

[Deleted member 16876]

Demon's Souls isn't that hard of a game when you know what to do. This should be a good alternative to easy mode.

 

[Amauri14]

180 videos that say "Git Gud"

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Lmao. That's was my first thought when I read the headline.

 

[SirKai]

It's intentional. A way of forming a community that works to piece the game together. Having this work all done by the developer ahead of time short-circuits that community building.

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It depends on what sort of information is being dolled out in these videos. I agree that I wouldn't want intentionally obscure things like World Tendency or certain boss fights to be explained explicitly with this system, since the community driven discovery of how a lot of the game works IS a huge part of the appeal, but folks want guidance on how to manage their build, level up, use item storage, etc, that's totally reasonable.

 

[zerosnake99]

I don't particularly like this.

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You don't like having games more accessible for other players? Like, I get it. I got the game at the NA launch. It was awesome discovering all the ins and outs of the game, but Demon's Souls is obtuse as fuck. Giving people more insight and guides is a good thing.

 

[Deleted member 21709]

It's intentional. A way of forming a community that works to piece the game together. Having this work all done by the developer ahead of time short-circuits that community building.

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Exactly. Think PT/Fez.

It's all about the execution and implementation though. I like the feature, but not sure I like it implemented to this degree for a game that would thrive on secrets/discovery/community discovery.

I wonder how FROM Software would use it for their next big Souls game.

Edit: In this case since it is a remake that seems to adhere very closely, if not exactly to the source material - I suppose the above argument matters less.

 

[Patitoloco]

Also, lol at people thinking Souls games don't have an enormous Fextralife wiki at day 2.

 

[SxP]

These threads always serve as a reminder that some people really care about being in some "elite-gamer-club". Helpful hints/tips for people to beat this game? Oh no, what if those people also think they belong to the ELITE GAMERZ CLUB?

 

[Kuro]

This is the same as looking stuff up on youtube on your phone but Sony is cutting out the middle man and just putting it right on your TV. They seem to be pushing the social aspects too so people stay on the Playstation platform rather than go to Discord or some other place so it makes sense. I don't know why people are equating this with a difficulty setting.

 

[Kill3r7]

It's an awesome feature. Especially for people who are unfamiliar with how soul games work. I relied on YouTube to learn the fundamentals of Bloodborne at launch. So this will come in handy for many people allowing them to experience the greatness of these games.

 

[Jolkien]

It's intentional. A way of forming a community that works to piece the game together. Having this work all done by the developer ahead of time short-circuits that community building.

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I disagree. The amount of obtuse and poorly explained mechanics in the series could put some people away. I spent way too long on Bloodborne wikia to figure stuff out the core game play failed you when you need an external site. I never once felt a feeling of community playing any of these titles besides the but hole comments on different dead corpse leaning over different surface.

 

[ThatMeanScene]

Probably the first and last game with that many videos.

 

[Cess007]

At the very least it'll be funny to see a narrator try to explain how world tendency works.

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you need more than 180 videos to explain that

 

[Deleted member 20831]

Will this defeat the purpose of the gameplay loop?

 

[Doskoi Panda]

I'm actually really excited to learn that.

 

[Young Liar]

played the original before any of the other souls games, and this seems fine to me.

i do wonder how this will affect first-time players' experience with the game and how much this will affect how future "difficult games" will be received based on whether or not they use this feature.

 

[Deleted member 12833]

It's intentional. A way of forming a community that works to piece the game together. Having this work all done by the developer ahead of time short-circuits that community building.

Yeah, but these, like the signs placed in the world by other players, are community creations.

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You could have a point if that game wasn't a remake that the community has already fully explored

 

[Swiggins]

Can't wait to one shot people with a glass-cannon firestorm build.

:D

 

[Moves]

Are these included on the disc/install or are they streamed in? Just curious how they work.

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Good question... I hope they're streamed in, otherwise I could see all these videos taking up a lot of hard drive space.

 

[Traxus]

Can't wait for hardcore gamers to complain about this while simultaneously following online guides step by step to 100% these games.

 

[Chaystic]

It's intentional. A way of forming a community that works to piece the game together. Having this work all done by the developer ahead of time short-circuits that community building.

Yeah, but these, like the signs placed in the world by other players, are community creations.

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Then why do Day 1 strategy guides exist? It's the same thing, i'm pretty sure there was one for Dark Souls 3.

 

[Greywaren]

This is fantastic for a game that can become very obscure and confusing sometimes.

Hopefully people won't think this is bad or it "ruins the experience and goes against what the creators wanted". But they will.

 

[Hippopuncher12]

I don't particularly like this.

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I won't use them for this game, but I don't get this? Why does it matter to you, if you don't use them you won't even know.

 

[Ferrs]

Sounds good? You gotta be weird for disliking this. It's literally the same shit as looking on Youtube videos, just with the hassle of Youtube removed.

 

[demu]

I don't particularly like this.

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Why? It's way more convenient than searching YouTube for tips.

 

[dallow_bg]

Are these streamed or in the install data?
Would rather save space if I can .

 

[Deleted member 51539]

It's intentional. A way of forming a community that works to piece the game together. Having this work all done by the developer ahead of time short-circuits that community building.

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I'm not upset about it, I just don't like the idea of a game being revealed/explained to this degree from day 0. Although I'm assuming the videos cover every single encounter/secret by the amount of them.

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I would wholeheartedly agree if this wasn't a decade old game already.

 

[zombiejames]

This is great, but if I need help, I'll got to the youtube app as I have before. I doubt this will replace the effectiveness of that.

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This is exactly what it's supposed to replace. You can get all the help and hints you need without leaving the game.

 

[Deleted member 2441]

I'm not upset about it, I just don't like the idea of a game being revealed/explained to this degree from day 0. Although I'm assuming the videos cover every single encounter/secret by the amount of them.

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Wait til you hear about strategy guides, which have been made for decades. That'll really make your blood boil.

 

[ElephantShell]

People will just open up YouTube to look this shit up anyway. Might as well remove a step for them. Everyone else can just ignore the feature.

 

[Favio Bolo]

it's not a easy mode, it's a included gamefaqs

 

[Tyaren]

I don't particularly like this.

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Yeah, I also can't stand other players getting some assistance if they need it. :/

 

[Deleted member 21709]

go gate keep somewhere else

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... who is gate keeping?

Yeah, I also can't stand other players getting some assistance if they need it. :/

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Ok, looks like I hit a nerve.

My take wasn't even particularly hot, Jeff Gerstmann argued the same thing when it was discussed a few bombcasts ago.

 

[platocplx]

I'm sure the anti-easy mode people will hate this somehow.

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Of course they do, you know how many people will look up tutorials all the damn time when they get stuck, I remember hitting a wall in monster hunter and had to understand wtf was going on lol.

 

[EggmaniMN]

That's nice but it isn't a replacement for making the game more comfortable for players with disabilities to actually play and it doesn't negate the need for more granular options.

The people taking shots at the "easy mode" stuff are all being extremely shitty.

 

[AndyMc1888]

So is it the developer doing the work for these ? In that case I can't see it lasting past the first year at all to be honest , developers are rarely going to be arsed putting in the time curating videos for that.

 

[Jolkien]

Good question... I hope they're streamed in, otherwise I could see all these videos taking up a lot of hard drive space.

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When they showcased the feature it was clearly streamed video. Why would people think they've put 180 video with then game. It makes zero sense.

 

[Loudninja]

It's intentional. A way of forming a community that works to piece the game together. Having this work all done by the developer ahead of time short-circuits that community building.

Yeah, but these, like the signs placed in the world by other players, are community creations.

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This is a remake its not something fully new so yeah we got many guides and tips already