I don't know what it is you think "status quo" means.He absolutely is if he's rejecting M4A, student debt forgiveness, and not eliminating private insurance.
I don't know what it is you think "status quo" means.He absolutely is if he's rejecting M4A, student debt forgiveness, and not eliminating private insurance.
This is the embodiment of what I don't like about Democrats. They give up and concede before they even try. Let me put it this way - Biden winning the election in 2020 isn't going to mean fuck all when we don't have a planet to live on in 80 years. It's no surprise that the people least concerned with climate change are those who support Biden the most. At least boomers will be able to die in peace without Trump in office.
it doesn't matter how left the policy platform is, it's how the person governs
So Biden is Larry Bird and Sander's is Tim Tebow?Biden ran a shit campaign. His fundamentals were so strong he could overcome any amount of money in this race. That's why Bernie failed in this run. Biden just had to maintain his comfort level with the black vote. Nobody else even dented it.
I'm seriously shocked at how happily some are rounding up his glaring deficiencies. Like I'm not even saying vote-Trump/3rd party or sit out GE.
Can we at least be critical and hold the dude accountable if we're gonna be stuck with the tool for 4 years?
He could adopt a medicare for all plan that will be cheaper than his plan. He can make his climate change platform better by moving the deadline for a carbon-neutral economy to 2030 instead of 2050, which is too late according to scientists.Yes, unity is a 2-way street. We have people on this very page saying they don't trust Biden to try to fulfill his policy positions, which are already the most progressive we've seen.
So pray tell, what exactly can Biden do to ensure that compromising on his policy positions will actually be heard by those who want them, and not simply dismissed as "I don't believe him."
Biden ran a shit campaign. His fundamentals were so strong he could overcome any amount of money in this race. That's why Bernie failed in this run. Biden just had to maintain his comfort level with the black vote. Nobody else even dented it.
How could Biden have run a better campaign? What could he have done better? Where could he have campaigned that he didn't already?
Do you mean like when he kept doing events in Mississippi when Bernie fled to Michigan? Was that an error on his part?
I honestly think that lets Bernie off the hook. He could have won, but he used the same losing playbook as he did in 2016 against a much stronger candidate.Biden ran a shit campaign. His fundamentals were so strong he could overcome any amount of money in this race. That's why Bernie failed in this run. Biden just had to maintain his comfort level with the black vote. Nobody else even dented it.
Since at least earlier people were talking about Climate Change, I thought it was best to link to Carbon Briefs article on IPCC report back in late 2018 & Q&A that alot of the basis for most of the candidates climate plans by the Dem candidates are based around:
In-depth Q&A: The IPCC’s special report on climate change at 1.5C - Carbon Brief
Earlier today in South Korea, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) published its long-awaited special report on 1.5C.t.co
Here is a paper written a while ago about ways to get to zero carbon emissions:
Some people on Twitter worth following for climate (mostly focusing on various climate scientist):
@RARohde , @past_is_future , @AndrewDessler , @leahstokes , @triofrancos , @themadstone (she linked an article that I think is pretty good looking into alternate means of making cement), @DrKateMarvel , @coxypm , @richardabetts , @Peters_Glen , @airscottdenning , @CColose , @ClimateOfGavin , @JustinHGillis, @coralsncaves , @piersforster , @MichaelEMann , @JesseJenkins , @ramez , @laurimyllyvirta (really great source about China & sometimes the occasionally India), @DrSimEvans , @hausfath , @wang_seaver , @KHayhoe
Sorry if I bothered anyone.
The push back folks are receiving on this isn't because they're criticising Biden. It's more because it isn't accurate criticism. Which makes said criticism less than effective, but destructive.
A solid plan to address climate change via the Green New Deal is not magical thinking. Look all I'm trying to say is that a plan to go carbon-neutral by 2050 is just as good as a plan to do nothing at all. Scientists say we have until 2030, we aren't going to be able to unfuck ourselves out of this after that. And yes, if people care more about beating Trump than addressing climate change, they don't give a fuck about climate change. It's short sighted and foolish to prioritize winning over the environment. And it's no surprise that it's mainly older folks supporting Biden - they will die before they have to deal with the impacts they've created.You didn't address a single thing I said. You only offer magical thinking solutions about how wanting things really bad is all that's required to manifest them.
He had less chips and put the chips where it mattered. How is that a bad campaign? Because Sanders had more money and could open up more offices he deserves the nomination?
Bloomberg dumped 500 million into the race.
I'm tired of the narrative that Biden ran a bad campaign because he had less money and less resources.
Yep on the Sunday ahead of Super Tuesday he chose to campaign in California where the math was already on his side (for the most part) instead of going to Selma for the Bloody Sunday anniversary to engage in outreach with Southern Black Voters. Biden went to churches where the congregation is predominantly composed of Black people. Bernie cancelled an event in Flint intended to connect with Black voters to do a stump speech for a predominantly middle class white crowd.I honestly think that lets Bernie off the hook. He could have won, but he used the same losing playbook as he did in 2016 against a much stronger candidate.
Did bernie really lose cause he ran a bad campaign? I call bull on that tbh. Bernie lost cause he had the entire democratic establishment against him, including news sources, which means endless propaganda downplaying and attacking him. Theres also the fact that there is active voter suppression going on in different ways. Voting day not being a national holiday isnt an accident for example.
Did bernie really lose cause he ran a bad campaign? I call bull on that tbh. Bernie lost cause he had the entire democratic establishment against him, including news sources, which means endless propaganda downplaying and attacking him. Theres also the fact that there is active voter suppression going on in different ways. Voting day not being a national holiday isnt an accident for example.
This is the kind of attitude that lead to Bernie using the same plan this cycle as four years ago, with even worse results.Did bernie really lose cause he ran a bad campaign? I call bull on that tbh. Bernie lost cause he had the entire democratic establishment against him, including news sources, which means endless propaganda downplaying and attacking him. Theres also the fact that there is active voter suppression going on in different ways. Voting day not being a national holiday isnt an accident for example.
I think the problem is that Sanders ran an issues focused campaign when people are more concerned with beating Trump. And quite frankly, given the onslaught of negative attention Sanders got from the media, I don't think there was any way he could have overcome that. He had the most volunteers, the most money, the biggest campaign, yet the media only ever talked negatively about him. I think the only way he could have won was to get the Clyburn endorsement and win SC. He fucked up by not even reaching out to Clyburn, but at the same time I am 99% certain Clyburn would have never endorsed Sanders. It's profoundly depressing that mainstream media has such a stranglehold on the direction of politics in our country.I honestly think that lets Bernie off the hook. He could have won, but he used the same losing playbook as he did in 2016 against a much stronger candidate.
Biden is a flawed candidate, and we got to admit Bernie is even more flawed.
Not really, Biden being Obama's VP & the media calling Bernie a nazi/russian asset was too much to overcome. There was also way more fear mongering about socialism this primary, in 2016 it was mainly from Fox News, this time Biden & CNN/MSNBC really doubled down on the red scare.Did bernie really lose cause he ran a bad campaign? I call bull on that tbh. Bernie lost cause he had the entire democratic establishment against him, including news sources, which means endless propaganda downplaying and attacking him. Theres also the fact that there is active voter suppression going on in different ways. Voting day not being a national holiday isnt an accident for example.
Speaking of repeating the mistakes of 2016, I can see many here are once again deluding themselves mythologising the presumptive nominee.
Running against the Democratic Party, not to be the leader of the Democratic Party, hurt him. Not reaching out as much as he should have to the black community, especially in the South, hurt him. Not being willing to widen his tent in any number of ways hurt him. Relying on youth turnout hurt him.I think the problem is that Sanders ran an issues focused campaign when people are more concerned with beating Trump. And quite frankly, given the onslaught of negative attention Sanders got from the media, I don't think there was any way he could have overcome that. He had the most volunteers, the most money, the biggest campaign, yet the media only ever talked negatively about him. I think the only way he could have won was to get the Clyburn endorsement and win SC. He fucked up by not even reaching out to Clyburn, but at the same time I am 99% certain Clyburn would have never endorsed Sanders. It's profoundly depressing that mainstream media has such a stranglehold on the direction of politics in our country.
yeah no, Bernie ran a bad campaign and neglected everyone but his supporters who were not even there as much. Bernie could have done much better but he dropped the ball.Not really, Biden being Obama's VP & the media calling Bernie a nazi/russian asset was too much to overcome. There was also way more fear mongering about socialism this primary, in 2016 it was mainly from Fox News, this time Biden & CNN/MSNBC really doubled down on the red scare.
Most importantly the youth vote didn't turn up again & i wouldn't be surprised if the turn out in 2020 is worse than 2016 at this point.
just like your Willing to look past a candidate who didn't do himself any favors with how he ran his campaign and cost himself the nomination.I think a lot of it is talking themselves into being excited for voting for literal Joe fucking Biden in 2020. That isn't going to feel good for anyone. We saw the same thing back at the old place with Hillary Clinton. You have to be willing to see past a lot of bad policy to get enthused for these kind of candidates.
Did bernie really lose cause he ran a bad campaign? I call bull on that tbh. Bernie lost cause he had the entire democratic establishment against him, including news sources, which means endless propaganda downplaying and attacking him. Theres also the fact that there is active voter suppression going on in different ways. Voting day not being a national holiday isnt an accident for example.
Shout out to Stacy AbramsGuess who are the only caucus (attempting) to address that voter suppression concern? That pesky Democratic establishment.
Once again I want to point to Mich, those were his people and he lost almost everyoneyeah no, Bernie ran a bad campaign and neglected everyone but his supporters who were not even there as much. Bernie could have done much better but he dropped the ball.
I agreeOnce again I want to point to Mich, those were his people and he lost almost everyone
It's an extremely thorough and complex explanation that dovetails with all the data and explains the current compositions of both parties extremely well.
Class politics that doesn't incorporate the very fundamental racial component is simply insufficient.
Not really, because again Bernie ran with basically the same playbook as he did in 2016, and did much worse. Most of the same reasons he lost that election can be applied to this one.trying to diagnose why bernie is losing this early is a fools errand. there were so many hot takes right trump won and everyone wanted to be the first to have the answer... when it answer was just a lot of little things all coalesced into one.
it could be bernie campaign, could be the message doesn't resonate with the masses, could be the democratic establishment smear machine, could be electability, could be all of those things.
as a 1st generation immigrant myself, I can attest that old country baggage carries over.for how dumb the criticisms were, it seems like the cuba story really hurt him
it was the only bullshit criticism to ever get any traction. he probably could have handled it much better
A solid plan to address climate change via the Green New Deal is not magical thinking. Look all I'm trying to say is that a plan to go carbon-neutral by 2050 is just as good as a plan to do nothing at all. Scientists say we have until 2030, we aren't going to be able to unfuck ourselves out of this after that. And yes, if people care more about beating Trump than addressing climate change, they don't give a fuck about climate change. It's short sighted and foolish to prioritize winning over the environment. And it's no surprise that it's mainly older folks supporting Biden - they will die before they have to deal with the impacts they've created.
As a person who voted for Bernie both times, I can also see that after looking at all the data of how people in the majority want a plan like M4A, people want college forgiveness, etc. that the problem must be Bernie himself.
If Bernie campaigned poorly, Biden campaigned catastrophically bad. He had one campaign office in California and was barely present (if he was present at all) in most of the states he won on Super Tuesday. He barely spent any money. He barely had a grassroots or a ground game.yeah no, Bernie ran a bad campaign and neglected everyone but his supporters who were not even there as much. Bernie could have done much better but he dropped the ball.
as a 1st generation immigrant myself, I can attest that old country baggage carries over.
so, many 1st gen Cuban-Americans in Florida who still are not over the Castro regime will vote against Sanders no matter what
I would say the funny thing is more he is complaining about rich white christian men, but telling you voting for Biden (who is exactly that) is some heroic deed & not just "hes better than Trump" Which he obviously is much better, but im getting tired of people pretending the man who voted for the iraq war is some hero.It's funny how this guy is lamenting Bernie supporters online saying they won't vote for Biden in the general because Bernie "won" the internet primary but lost the IRL primary yet not realizing the irony that most of these "Bernie or Bust" people are also largely online and most Bernie voters did vote for the nominee IRL last go around (and I can guarantee they'll vote for the nominee/Biden this time around), even someone as despised as HRC. And Biden is across the board more favorable than HRC so I expect an even higher proportion of Bernie supporters voting for Biden in the general than last time.
More than can be said of IRL Hillary supporters who straight up voted for McCain over Obama.
You're over thinking it. Sanders is, I believe, the most favorable Democrat in the country. His tent was plenty wide and exit polls show a majority of support for M4A which was the foundation of his platform. For a time right before SC he was polling better with the black community than Biden. Going into SC Sanders was slated to dominate Super Tuesday.Running against the Democratic Party, not to be the leader of the Democratic Party, hurt him. Not reaching out as much as he should have to the black community, especially in the South, hurt him. Not being willing to widen his tent in any number of ways hurt him. Relying on youth turnout hurt him.
It's important to learn from our mistakes. Sticking our fingers in our ears and saying nothing could have changed this result accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Yep, Biden is not a champion of anything (except corporate interests) by any stretch of the word. The only good reason to vote for Biden is that he isn't Trump. Which is going to be enough of a reason for most Democratic voters, including Sanders supporters.I would say the funny thing is more he is complaining about rich white christian men, but telling you voting for Biden (who is exactly that) is some heroic deed & not just "hes better than Trump" Which he obviously is, but im getting tired of people pretending the man who voted for the iraq war is some hero.