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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

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Coalescing behind a candidate who's had 3 massive losses and only 1 win. Who supposedly represents a progressive party with a vision but only appeals to older voters. Who's lost every primary he's been in. Who's been faring worse than the frontrunner in the majority of polls, including polls pitting him against the incumbent.

Yep, totally normal, totally sensible. Making a great case for party politics, representative politics and electoralism.

My country has had the Yellow Vests movement going for more than a year now. If your politicians keep playing these games, and with how shitty your economy is, I won't pity them if the situation becomes explosive a few years from now.

If Bernie wins this regardless, it will be hard not to feel a bit of Schadenfreude, not gonna lie.
 

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Democratic Party, if this man is the nominee, you are going to lose in November. You'll lose 30% of Bernie supporters to apathy and not showing up at the polls, myself included.
 

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digdug2k said:
Bernie is winning in the Democratic primary. The "establishment" (i.e. most Democrats) are literally voting for him.
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establishment refers to power structures (wealth, how it intersects with political power and the party machinery, etc), not individual Democratic voters. If individual Democratic voters actually dictated the direction of the party, every single "moderate" candidate would be supporting Medicare for All, as it's very popular among Democratic voters
 
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I don't think Biden and Bloomberg bromance is happening any time soon.

 
Tfritz

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hillary clinton showing up to a biden rally and endorsing bernie sanders... what a night folks!
 
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Kilrogg said:
Coalescing behind a candidate who's had 3 massive losses and only 1 win. Who supposedly represents a progressive party with a vision but only appeals to older voters. Who's lost every primary he's been in. Who's been faring worse than the frontrunner in the majority of polls, including polls pitting him against the incumbent.

Yep, totally normal, totally sensible. Making a great case for party politics, representative politics and electoralism.

My country has had the Yellow Vests movement going for more than a year now. If your politicians keep playing these games, and with how shitty your economy is, I won't pity them if the situation becomes explosive a few years from now.

If Bernie wins this regardless, it will be hard not to feel a bit of Schadenfreude, not gonna lie.
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That one win upended the race.
 
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The fact that's there's a not insignificant amount of Bernie supporters ready to basically disengage with the political process entirely if he doesn't win this primary is also off-putting. Most traditional Democrats are voting for the nominee whoever it is come November but the Sanders or bust folks for me further emphasize just how potentially risky a Sanders ticket can be. If you're so upset at the possibility of Sanders losing (because people are engaging in the coalitional politics that has happened since this nation was founded) that you're willing to sit at home then Trump as president has to be an acceptable enough result for you. That also tells me you're an unreliable voter.
 
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It's fucking gross when people try to claim Biden "has dementia" when watching him work through a stutter
 
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The fact that's there's a not insignificant amount of Bernie supporters ready to basically disengage with the political process entirely if he doesn't win this primary is also off-putting. Most traditional Democrats are voting for the nominee whoever it is come November but the Sanders or bust folks for me further emphasize just how potentially risky a Sanders ticket can be. If you're so upset at the possibility of Sanders losing (because people are engaging in the coalitional politics that has happened since this nation was founded) that you're willing to sit at home then Trump as president has to be an acceptable enough result for you. That also tells me you're an unreliable voter.
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Ah yes- this unfounded bullshit again. Has it really been 4 years already?
 
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No but they should probably build their strategy around how the presidency is actually won huh.

Like, winning the popular vote is meaningless if you don't actually win the election.
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Sure, Clinton was a fucking idiot for not campaigning in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, but please explain in what way does a strategy that wins us battleground states necessarily entail that we nominate Sanders over Biden?

I guess for 2016, strategy should have dictated that we nominate the candidate who performed best in battleground states. Let's see how that turns out...

Wisconsin (10 EVs) - 56/43 for Sanders
Michigan (16 EVs) - 49/48 for Sanders
Pennsylvania (20 EVs) - 55/43 for Clinton
Ohio (18 EVs) - 56/43 for Clinton
Florida (29 EVs) - 64/33 for Clinton

Hmm, that's 67 EVs for Clinton to Sanders' 26. Looks like we made the right strategic choice in 2016 after all.
 
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i think it would have been cool if sanders had done more campaigning in The South, both because a region of the country that has third world poverty levels seems like a good place to start agitating for a leftist revolution and also because it would help him do better in the primaries
 
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As a nurse who sees dementia patients all the time, both Biden and Trump seem clearly in the early stages of dementia to me, fwiw.
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As someone who actually has mental health issues, seeing people weaponize an undiagnosed condition as a line of attack is very hurtful. And it's really unfortunate that such accusations are allowed here.
 

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Barzul said:
This this this and this again. Bernie has consistently failed to prove that his "revolution" will turn out enough votes to offset the ones he will lose by just being him and when the media attacks are solely focused on him. Forgive me if I don't want to bet the next 4 years on the idea that Bernie Sanders will turn out more voters in a GE. I straight up don't believe it because one young voters are completely unreliable, they only show up for presidential contests and two Bernie hasn't shown me that he is turning out voters in historic numbers bar in caucuses which we all know have their problems. The fact that it's this close with Biden straight up tells me that he's not some legendary politician. This is against a very out of form Biden.
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Well said. Main issue is that Bernie dominates certain portions of the internet and it makes people believe there is a groundswell of support when it's all an echo chamber. Young voters don't vote. Those not in the echo chambers do.

Bernie has been running at the same percentage he did last time it's just that the votes have been split.

this was always going to happen when the rest dropped. He actually needs to court the other 70 percent.
 
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Prodigal Son said:
how fucking Pavlovian of a response is this. at no point does he say HE wont vote for joe. he just says others wont want to. because plenty of others wont fucking want to and its not a privileged to acknowledge that
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Uh... he says "myself included."


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Democratic Party, if this man is the nominee, you are going to lose in November. You'll lose 30% of Bernie supporters to apathy and not showing up at the polls, myself included.
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AOC's trying to give some words of encouragement.

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"Turning back the clock" is appealing to many, not some. It's not a winning strategy to ignore what a significant smount of the electorate is saying. Of course a better way forward is better than returning to the status quo, but you have to acknowledge that desire head on in order to learn from it.
 
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Apharmd said:
Democratic Party, if this man is the nominee, you are going to lose in November. You'll lose 30% of Bernie supporters to apathy and not showing up at the polls, myself included.
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Like you could literally this shitty logic on its head and say a bunch of folks who would go vote for Biden won't go out and vote for a guy who embraces a socialist tag.

The DNC or the party isn't "rigging" shit. Bernie has his chance to go out and win this. If he loses to Biden it'd mainly be because Biden beat him up and down in areas Bernie and his supporters chose to ignore and continue to dismiss out of hand as "not counting"

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how fucking Pavlovian of a response is this. at no point does he say HE wont vote for joe. he just says others wont want to. because plenty of others wont fucking want to and its not a privileged to acknowledge that
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He literally says hes going to not show up at the polls because hes apathetic.
 
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Apharmd said:
Democratic Party, if this man is the nominee, you are going to lose in November. You'll lose 30% of Bernie supporters to apathy and not showing up at the polls, myself included.
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is you outing yourself and "30%" of your fellow busters as useless pieces of shit supposed to bring people over to your side?
 
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Tfritz said:
i think it would have been cool if sanders had done more campaigning in The South, both because a region of the country that has third world poverty levels seems like a good place to start agitating for a leftist revolution and also because it would help him do better in the primaries
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TBF he did visit South Carolina a lot. I'm not sure about his spending. Though, in his last interview he did seem to start preemptively writing off southern voters.
 
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Trey said:
"Turning back the clock" is appealing to many, not some. It's not a winning strategy to ignore what a significant smount of the electorate is saying. Of course a better way forward is better than returning to the status quo, but you have to acknowledge that desire head on in order to learn from it.
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You're essentially saying exactly what she is, just mansplaining it sorta?
 
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I seriously think everyone is going way off the deep end here about this. The moderates were always going to consolidate eventually. Bernie's fierce support is still there, and so long as Bernie trounces him in the next debate, Bernie will extend his lead further and has a solid chance of obtaining a majority of delegates.
 
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GYODX said:
Sure, Clinton was a fucking idiot for not campaigning in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, but please explain in what way does a strategy that wins us battleground states necessarily entail that we nominate Sanders over Biden?

I guess for 2016, strategy should have dictated that we nominate the candidate who performed best in battleground states. Let's see how that turns out...

Wisconsin (10 EVs) - 56/43 for Sanders
Michigan (16 EVs) - 49/48 for Sanders
Pennsylvania (20 EVs) - 55/43 for Clinton
Ohio (18 EVs) - 56/43 for Clinton
Florida (29 EVs) - 64/33 for Clinton

Hmm, that's 67 EVs for Clinton to Sanders' 26. Looks like we made the right strategic choice in 2016 after all.
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Good thing Donald Trump isn't President now, right? Phew!
 
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