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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I mean, people like Biden because he isn't promising to radically change health care, radical change scares them because as much as they want radical changes to healthcare they don't think you can beat Trump that way.
Dems and centrists are an anxious bunch post Trump.
Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. I'm of the mindset that Sanders was always a losing proposition and what we are seeing with Biden would always play out as leader of the moderates. Elections are about time and place in the world. Where are we at as a country. What is our biggest goal? Removal of Trump. That's it, full stop. This is not to say Bernie and his platform are flawed but it isn't going to win a national nomination right now. Change is incremental throughout history and most people, myself included, are not trying to hear all of the pie in the sky stuff being said because it won't go over well with the masses. This election is about electability. Maybe in twenty years, with a slow escalation of policies that makes a platform like Bernie has more palatable for people to digest but you are asking people to count to ten by fives by voting for Bernie and by ones by voting for a moderate. One is a shock to the system, one is not. Most of these polls you see are a loud and vocal minority screaming about Bernie and does not represent the masses.
Even as an aside, have you ever wondered why every single gop person seems to be rooting for Bernie, why Russia wants Bernie to win the nomination?
Or even telling people to vote for Bernie in the primaries.
It's because Bernie has been (correctly) identified as a weak candidate and the Republicans are on their art of war shit. Trump hasn't been all over the world looking for dirt on Bernie like he did Biden. He's "cheering" for him in twitter. Big contrast.
Sometimes, the truth is going to end up revealing itself and smack you in the face. Instead of being mad that it smacked you, figure out why it's smacking you and move accordingly. This election is about electability. Biden is ridiculously flawed as a candidate and I'll hold my nose voting for him in November, knowing we have a chance. You won't get that same comfort with Bernie at the booth.
Even as an aside, have you ever wondered why every single gop person seems to be rooting for Bernie, why Russia wants Bernie to win the nomination?
Or even telling people to vote for Bernie in the primaries.
It's because Bernie has been (correctly) identified as a weak candidate and the Republicans are on their art of war shit. Trump hasn't been all over the world looking for dirt on Bernie like he did Biden. He's "cheering" for him in twitter. Big contrast.
Sometimes, the truth is going to end up revealing itself and smack you in the face. Instead of being mad that it smacked you, figure out why it's smacking you and move accordingly. This election is about electability. Biden is ridiculously flawed as a candidate and I'll hold my nose voting for him in November, knowing we have a chance. You won't get that same comfort with Bernie at the booth.
"If you remove millions of americans from the equation, then trump wouldve won by (the same amount we just took out) millions. "
Amazing logic.
Biden isn't pulling the trigger like Republicans are, hes just hiring the people to do it for him.
A non-progressive presidency means that poor people will die. It means that poor people will stay poor. It means that the rich will stay rich.
Yes if you erase the most populous state in the country then the numbers would be different. Trump did not win by winning a majority of Americans, he won by getting a slim majority in the right geographic places.
Bernie supporter but will so very gladly take Biden over Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and especially Bloomberg.
Sure he could. It could be challenged in Supreme Court and probably would be, but he absolutely could. The only issue with doing it that way is he couldn't forgive private loans.
You can happily to the shaming, of course, but it doesn't change to fact you need those voters at the polls in November and berating them at their most dispair filled time for venting isn't productive at all.
Everything Trump Touches Dies, named after the book by Rick Wilson, Republican Strategist and Obama/Bernie Fearmongerer.
Honestly the more i think about it. Biden has a good shot at beating trump.
Bernie will back him. Cause he knows whats at stake.
Obama will back him.
The black vote will back him.
Old Democrats will back him.
Oprah will back him.
Bloomberg might even fund him.
And this.
He just has to find a way to deflect the whole hunter biden bullshit. And a way to not be creepy and boring.
If only he had one progressive bone in his body. Because i really would like the good lords green herb legalized.
Bernie will back him. Cause he knows whats at stake.
Obama will back him.
The black vote will back him.
Old Democrats will back him.
Oprah will back him.
Bloomberg might even fund him.
And this.
He just has to find a way to deflect the whole hunter biden bullshit. And a way to not be creepy and boring.
If only he had one progressive bone in his body. Because i really would like the good lords green herb legalized.
I already named 2. As I've said earlier in this thread, he's for ending cash bail, for taxing carbon emissions, for paying farmers to better climate practices, for bringing drug prices down to their overseas costs, for reinstituting DACA, etc. Seriosuly if you're too lazy to look up a candidate's positions or even check the posts I've already made about it then I don't know what to tell you.
It doesn't, in our current system.
Sorry. That's just the way it is.
well biden better fucking win after everything we've all had to go to
enjoy i guess
I'm gonna be looking for land in the quebec wilderness
enjoy i guess
I'm gonna be looking for land in the quebec wilderness
With Biden as nominee it's basically a race between Trump and Not-Trump. Biden will be the "lesser of two evils" option. Whereas Bernie could actually mobilizing new and disenfranchised voters.
big fucking sigh, America is the worst
Progressives going all doom and gloom really need to take a step back and consider that maybe putting the entire movement's relevancy and survival onto the success of one or two people is not a reliable way to deliver long-lasting change? Obama's presidency showed us the dangers of getting too wrapped up in the celebrity of one individual at the expense of the collective group. The problem is Americans always look for top-down quick-fixes that don't require them to do the hard work; the kind that has to come from individual effort in their local communities building from the ground-up. The idea that we would elect President Sanders/Warren and everything is somehow going to start changing for the better is absurd. We should be focused on trying to deliver a House and Senate full of Sanders/Warren types who could force a president of either party to enact progressive agendas.
But you see people getting practically suicidal and saying "Well we couldn't get Warren/Sanders so it's hopeless, we're all gonna die". Did we even try electing a wave of people like them to local or state offices, let alone federal congress? It requires nothing of you and asks nothing from you to support a candidate for Presidency. Maybe we need less people posting Warren/Sanders/AOC memes and more people being inspired to become their local versions and running for public office and supporting those that do. The progressive movement's so-called failure tonight isn't the candidates, it's the celebrity structure we force them into that reductively turns everything into a binary all-or-nothing. If the movement is going to die it's because we only ever cared enough to post about it.
But you see people getting practically suicidal and saying "Well we couldn't get Warren/Sanders so it's hopeless, we're all gonna die". Did we even try electing a wave of people like them to local or state offices, let alone federal congress? It requires nothing of you and asks nothing from you to support a candidate for Presidency. Maybe we need less people posting Warren/Sanders/AOC memes and more people being inspired to become their local versions and running for public office and supporting those that do. The progressive movement's so-called failure tonight isn't the candidates, it's the celebrity structure we force them into that reductively turns everything into a binary all-or-nothing. If the movement is going to die it's because we only ever cared enough to post about it.
I honestly think she will support Biden. Bernie has no friends, unfortunately.
All I wanted was a race between Sanders and Warren. This sucks.
Reminder that the Boomers brought us the Civil Rights Movement, the Feminist Movement, the Antiwar movement... and Donald J. Trump as president. You get old, you turn into a jaded, cynical, selfish asshole. It's a story as old as time itself.
Can't speak for centrists in general (and I don't ascribe to that label myself), but I think a large part of the reaction is the sincere belief that choosing Bernie essentially loses us the presidency and negatively impacts so many down-ballot races. I'm sure for many it's not that they want less progress - it's that they see how much easier of a win it would be for Trump if Sanders is nominated. Of course, people can disagree with that and we'll see what happens, but it doesn't just have to be a STFU to centrists.
I mean there's data to back it up.
Could things change by the time the GE arrives? I certainly hope so, but there's no guarantee.
Why? Her voters would likely not go in large part to Bernie anyway? If anything her staying in is only helping him
It's simple. America doesn't care for ultra-progressive policies rn.
Explain to me why some Americans should not count? Scratch that, explain to me why some Americans should count more.
Explain to me why a system that, 20 years ago, ignored the will of the people and gave us Bush Jr. and his wars.
Explain to me why a system that, 4 years ago, ingored the will of the people and gave us corrupt sack of shit, donald trump.
Explain to me why this country should have minority rule, and why Bush Jr. and Trump were good things that saved us from "mob rule"
Bernie ISN'T mobilizing new untapped reserves of voters, though - that's why he's losing. You need to build a coalition and he clearly seems to be lacking in that regard.
Which follows the 2018 trend of new Dem voters being moderate suburbanites who are tired of Trump but don't want a socialist.
I appreciate this slice of good news on this otherwise shitty night. Sanders losing the primary will suck, but a Trump victory in November would be fucking devastating.
That I think he is more likely to beat Trump. I don't give a shit about policy this election.
It's similar but in reverse with Biden too. The same argument can go both ways.
Zerosum games are really the most volatile environments that can exist. Spirals of backstabbing.
Pretty sure Trump and others targeted Sanders this way to help sow division amongst voters, pull some away come GE.
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