The real joke is that you wrote those words without having played the game yourself.
Anyhoo, pleased to see Control being given plenty of love!
If I'm objectively wrong then it should be easy for you to provide proof that I'm wrong, what previous year winner thread was full of conspiracy theories and insulting the devs?
All I've seen from you is argue against the game in every thread, it's fine, you don't have to admit it but it's easy to see the patten.
That fervour doesn't just go in the favor of the game, especially in this case. It's not like GoW or BoTW with near universal glowing praise signal boosting them in a purely positive light. Games people talk about because of their controversy aren't the same as games talked about purely in emphasis of their positive qualities.
I think it did more to yours.
I don't see why they have to nominate any game if it didn't get on to the list when all the staff's votes were tallied. For such a large organization, many surely enjoyed it but it didn't make the cut. Unless you're saying a list isn't credible simply because Death Stranding isn't on it.Lack of credibility by excluding Death Stranding from IGN's GOTY list. Control is fantastic and a well deserved win, but not nominating DS is egregious.
This has happened to many popular things on many sites. It's bullshit always, but it's the same bullshit we see for things like Star Wars, and console wars, and pretty much anything that is divisive.
It's not exclusive here and it doesn't reduce the win. You can see non-fanatical reactions stating DS is my GotY all over Era... the game is just popular, despite its devise nature.
Nope, not interested in this kind of drama. Just stop with the generalization. I know quite a few people who truly like this game and think it's GotG worthy.
I don't know why part of you is going to that kind of conspiracy theory ahead of, you know, people just liking this game a lot? Read any GotY thread on this site and you'll see so many people calling DS theirs.Why does a part of me feel that this was intentionally done purely out of spite of their negative review of the game? Not saying that this isn't a testament to how good the game is though. Not my personal pick, but i'd totally understand peoples' love for it.
Probably, that doesn't excuse people that are toxic against people that dislike death stranding though.
Well deserved given it is a fantastic game. That said, I am surprised it would win a people's vote given how niche a genre or style of game it is.
Ah the classic diversion in order to defend Kojima. It's not Kojima that has an ego it is I for reasons unknown. For me personally the game isn't art but to each their own but I respect your opinion on it. Wish it were possible to separate this game from Kojima and then see how many people actually like it.
Earth is flat I tell you !
Uhhhh I never implied that people never enjoyed the game nor have a problem if people enjoyed it. Why do you keep bringing up emotions into this?I was referring to Hideo Kojima and your obsession with "proving" to the internet that the people that enjoyed another one of his games didn't really enjoy it because doing so calms your heart.
I don't want you to remember me - it's one of the reasons why I don't have a screenname.
I guess the abundance of people on Era stating DS is their GotY doesn't hint at the fact that, despite its divisive nature, this game just HAS that many who consider it so?That's exactly my point, IGN (and other sites) being crowded with fanboys. You're just making my point even stronger.
Of course however the intention should always be about the game/products and its elements!! Not because of some semi worshipped human being from another realm who happened to travel to our realm, named Hideo fcking Kojima.People here trying to discredit Death Stranding winning this poll by saying fans of the game got together to vote for it.
Errr what? Isn't that like the whole point?
Mega64 literally made a video highlighting the phenomena of 'fanboys' getting angry and conspiratorial over review scores in 2012 (albeit from the perspective of the reviewer instead of the developer).
Do you really think that tribalistic flame warring just suddenly started once Death Stranding released?
Games like God of War and BotW definitely had fervour on both sides; the major difference is that the critic score reflected that a bit less than opinions on the battlefield. What's happening with "Death Stranding" and "Kojima," is the exact same thing that happened with "Breath of the Wild" and "Nintendo", "God of War" and "Sony," and "Red Dead Redemption 2" and "Rockstar." It's the clash of a somewhat divisive game (in terms of their being very little in the way of 'middle ground' when it comes to the most widespread opinions) with a very popular 'tribe', and I just don't see it as a stretch for Death Stranding to both benefit and suffer from that in the war that will be this year's GOTY discussions.
Uhhhh I never implied that people never enjoyed the game nor have a problem if people enjoyed it. Why do you keep bringing up emotions into this?
I agree that there are very harmful individuals in executive positions who are massive egotist but the difference is that nobody that I know of is actively praising those people yet a lot of people seem to worship Kojima.There are real egomaniacs doing harm to the industry in high up positions, like the execs who were running bad practices behind the scenes at Riot Games, and Pitchford if even a single one of the lawsuit allegations are true, yet Kojima is an egomaniac?
his games are over the top, indulgent, nonsensical, and not confined to industry standards. This makes them good and bad sometimes. Death Stranding is a flawed game (that I loved) for sure, and like any game it is subjective.
but I feel like calling Kojima an egomaniac is a bit absurd. I don't get the Fast & Furious franchise, seems like an over the top car focused action series that I haven't enjoyed in the past, and maybe I would not enjoy them if I gave them a chance, but I wouldn't call their creators/actors/fans anything negative. It's not for me, that's fine. Death Stranding is not for you, and it's certainly a bummer you spent money on it and we're disappointed.
And I truly am happy for people who enjoy it. I have no problem with anyone liking something that I don't but I feel like it's an injustice to feed Kojimas ego. No matter where it comes from I feel that it sends a wrong message in the gaming industry. Just looks at how divided this game alone has made us.are u angry?. Is just a minor award. It seems some people liked the game, be happy for them!.
I don't know why part of you is going to that kind of conspiracy theory ahead of, you know, people just liking this game a lot? Read any GotY thread on this site and you'll see so many people calling DS theirs.
GoW and BoTW had much more lopsided pro-game fervor than DS. Any attempt to suggest the situations are the same feels disingenuous at best. Yes, there are hardline fanboys but the groups dismissing DS aren't limited to the haldline opposition groups in the console wars. Those games won plenty of awards without being "controversial" among level heads.
Is Kojima known to be difficult to work with? I don't doubt he has an ego--virtually every creative has an ego--but he doesn't seem like an asshole.
Will Death Stranding fans become the new Shenmue fans in the future?
Yes, it absolutely is.Conspiracy theory as a term has completely lost its bite at this point. Saying that a User Poll from a site with no restrictions on account creation and a relatively lax level of moderation might not be the scientific study that it could be is not a "conspiracy theory.
Well deserved and goes to show that it should've been at least nominated.
Well said.GoW and BoTW had much more lopsided pro-game fervor than DS. Any attempt to suggest the situations are the same feels disingenuous at best. Yes, there are hardline fanboys but the groups dismissing DS aren't limited to the haldline opposition groups in the console wars. Those games won plenty of awards without being "controversial" among level heads.
No, you just implied the only reason a significant number of people voted for it was because of the IGN score it received rather than people enjoying it.
I do wonder if death stranding very divisive nature helps it in this kind of polls where you have to select one favorite game. On era for example it will probably be at a lot of top spots but also a lot of lists it will be totally absent from. That could hurt it against a game that is not in as many top spots, but on a lot more lists in total.
While i do think that the IGN forum mod was wrong and petty, this thread is kinda embarrassing.
The irony. of posts like these is always fun.
Read the post you replied to, it's not hard to understand, if you're just gonna jump around it then there is nothing more to add.
Because there is nothing to discuss about it and there was no such thing as you're implying.
Yes, it absolutely is.
If that were the case (that the system were so easily gamed) we have PLENTY of haters who would have done it the opposite direction. It wouldn't ONLY work for DS.
Best: Nintendo Switch / Switch Lite my favourite console since the gba, this thing keeps being amazing with each new release
Worst: Death Stranding / Anthem
I'm having water retention just by reading it's incredible. Btw, Of course, DS is the GOTY.I'll use some of the salt here to make chicken alfredo tomorrow.
Could've included a short "voting has concluded. Thanks for participating!" message to keep things clear and save us some headaches, can't really fault people for being suspect when IGN didn't handle the situation that well. At least it's all clear now!
You can make this argument for every game and every year yet this is the only year were people act embarrassingly about it, you Kojima haters are really something else.
Being a fan is bad. Don't ever be a fan.This topic has taught me that some people think fans of a game getting other fans of the game to vote in a poll is considered a bad thing and acting in a wrong way.
But they still had a disproportionate amount of fervour compared to other games, and that did benefit them in the same way it could benefit DS as well. The fact that DS is a bit more divisive over all doesn't negate the fact that there are a lot of heated opinions on the game that could influence things from both angles. I mean I doubt you'd argue that even the other front-runners like Sekiro, Control and RE2 have the same level of fervour as Death Stranding has had so I don't see why it's such an out-there idea to suggest that that fervour might have manifested itself here in some way shape or form.
Na, sorry, but it remains conspiracy theory nonsense that DS fans just happened to game it while the opposite didn't.The system is very easily gamed. It's a free-to-join internet forum, not a voting booth and not even Era.
Similarly the "PLENTY" of haters who could have, somehow, rigged the poll in their favour (how and, more relevantly, why would they do that?) might have just not done it. They're not mutually exclusive elements; you don't need one to 'prove' the other.
I don't know why part of you is going to that kind of conspiracy theory ahead of, you know, people just liking this game a lot? Read any GotY thread on this site and you'll see so many people calling DS theirs.