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Low really is a fantastic album. Such a great mood to it, it puts pictures in my head; which is always a good sign.
Shoutout to the wonderfully weird 'The Man who fell to Earth'. It's a good watch.
And don't forget FWWM!
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DAVID BOWIE: JANUARY 8TH 1947 - JANUARY 10TH 2016
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Low really is a fantastic album. Such a great mood to it, it puts pictures in my head; which is always a good sign.
Shoutout to the wonderfully weird 'The Man who fell to Earth'. It's a good watch.
And don't forget FWWM!
EDIT: Wait, he had sex with underage girls? Well shit. I hadn't heard about that. I don't know how I missed it, considering how much of a fan of his my wife is. That's not cool, I don't care who you are. It doesn't matter if she's making excuses about it and rationalizing it. She was fifteen. A kid, and he was an adult. He knew better. That's the point. It doesn't matter how much she was in love with David Bowie the rock star, she was a kid.
Talented musician, and incredibly influential, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye to this revelation. Trying to rationalize away a culture built around exploiting your underage fanbase is gross.
Talented musician, and incredibly influential, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye to this revelation. Trying to rationalize away a culture built around exploiting your underage fanbase is gross.
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People can't let go of the first time they smoked weed and listened to Space Oddity.
Apparently both? I'm more than comfortable with the fact that I am still able to appreciate Bowie's work despite the holier-than-thou judgements of internet randoms who only join a conversation in order to tell everyone how wrong they are and proceed to immediately dismiss whatever significance and positive impact his work could have had on their lives with "lol drugs and rock and roll"
I guess we can't be heroes, just for one day
I know right. He may have had sex with a ton of underage girls, but Under Pressure is an undeniable classic.
aw man you really showed me this time. Make the same post again one more time but with a different song title to really drive it home!
Nah, not necessary. Your stance on this is immovable. However, by bringing it up, hopefully those that weren't aware will rethink their undying admiration for the man. Keep on rockin' though.
My stance is immovable? And you have the gall to call other people hypocrites. Good grief.
Keeping fighting the good fight my brother.
The concept of the age of consent is based on society's view that underage people cannot "approve."
The dirty truth is that society has only really cared about the sexualization of teenage girls for a few decades, and even then there have always been exceptions made. Even in the 70s, it may have been illegal, but no one cared. Men used the cover of the sexual revolution to prey on teen girls. A lot of them probably didn't think they were doing anything wrong. We cannot excuse this behavior, but it's up to each of us to decide if we can still enjoy the art these men produced notwithstanding it.
Yes I did. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, though.
The entertainment industry and many industries as a whole have a problem with abuse of power and power dynamics.
Why do we even have an age of consent if people just excuse it like this?
/S of course. It's still sexual abuse.
His run through Station To Station / Low / Heroes / Lodger / Scary Monsters is incredible.
The fact that he matched that quality with an album released two days before kicking it is fucking bonkers.
The fact that he matched that quality with an album released two days before kicking it is fucking bonkers.
My point is that everything we consume is tainted in some way. The whole industry is shit and we still actively take part in it
"They were all doing it" seems like excusing it to me. I doubt I'm alone in thinking this.
i always liked bowie, thanks to labyrinth and his 70s/80s hits on the radio. didn't get into him until 2013 though with the next day, even though heathen had made me aware he was producing music into my teen years.
2013 started a journey. a coworker of mine recommended places to start, and eventually i went from 1969's david bowie and listened all the way up through reality, though i saved heathen for last.
and i would get stuck on albums. low, heroes, and scary monsters (and super creeps) was my main jam. with low, i would listen to it for an entire day on a loop. it's still my favorite. heroes is a close second.
what really fascinated me was the journey he took as an artist. of course you have his 70s run which is enough for any musician in one lifetime, but then there's his 'selling out' period with tonight and never let me down, and the weird sort of redemption arc through the 90s and up to heathen. heathen was a destination for me, like when he finally got back that feeling he had from the 70s. i revisit a lot of his 80s and 90s stuff though just because it's so weird. untitled no. 1 from buddha of suburbia, strangers when we meet off 1. outside, and of course i'm afraid of americans off earthling are up there with some of his very best as far as i'm concerned.
2013 started a journey. a coworker of mine recommended places to start, and eventually i went from 1969's david bowie and listened all the way up through reality, though i saved heathen for last.
and i would get stuck on albums. low, heroes, and scary monsters (and super creeps) was my main jam. with low, i would listen to it for an entire day on a loop. it's still my favorite. heroes is a close second.
what really fascinated me was the journey he took as an artist. of course you have his 70s run which is enough for any musician in one lifetime, but then there's his 'selling out' period with tonight and never let me down, and the weird sort of redemption arc through the 90s and up to heathen. heathen was a destination for me, like when he finally got back that feeling he had from the 70s. i revisit a lot of his 80s and 90s stuff though just because it's so weird. untitled no. 1 from buddha of suburbia, strangers when we meet off 1. outside, and of course i'm afraid of americans off earthling are up there with some of his very best as far as i'm concerned.
It's been one of my favorites for a while. I wasn't really into Bowie until I lived with someone in college who was, and it was that album that really made me realize how much of a talent he was.
Pretty much, I'm sure there are plenty of musicians and people in general alive in the 70's who didn't have sex with underage kids.
If anyone's in New York, be sure to go to the Brooklyn Museum from March to June, because the art exhibition David Bowie Is will be there. It's the best museum exhibition I've ever seen due to the clever use of situational audio. It's hard to believe that it's been 3 years since I saw it at MCA Chicago
I have to say that I didn't know any of this. I just came to this thread to say thanks Bowie. But they were underage and that's a line you simply don't cross in whatever Era ;)
This time of the year will forever be linked to David Bowie for my wife and I.
December 2014, I partook in Murder by Death's kickstarter and pledged to have them cover a song for a covers album. Having a hard time deciding, I throw on the Ziggy Stardust album and my wife, who before this point wasn't too keen on my spending our not yet received tax return money on this kickstarter, said "what about that moonage song from Guardians of the Galaxy?". My eyes lit up at the fact that she was seemingly cool with it, and that was one of my fav songs of his. We listened to it together and it was done, that was my choice.
Fast forward a year to December 2015 and they finally release the album. Less than a month later, he passes after releasing his own album. I reached out to MBD, who are big Bowie fans themselves and have covered him in the past, to tell them they need to release the song to the wider public as tribute (wasn't posted to YouTube yet as only backers had vinyl copies and only diehard fans knew of its availability on bandcamp). They made it streamable for a few days and posted a link to share with fellow fans.
All of this, and my wife shares his birthday so it's always on my mind at least.
Bonus Five Years covered earlier in their career:
I feel like a douche after writing all this for making this about me and some other band, but again, it's all forever linked to Bowie and his passing in my mind. It's such an odd feeling. I didn't have the money for the kickstarter, but with the timing of it all, it seemed like a fitting tribute and I'll never have buyer's remorse for such a special release in my eyes.
December 2014, I partook in Murder by Death's kickstarter and pledged to have them cover a song for a covers album. Having a hard time deciding, I throw on the Ziggy Stardust album and my wife, who before this point wasn't too keen on my spending our not yet received tax return money on this kickstarter, said "what about that moonage song from Guardians of the Galaxy?". My eyes lit up at the fact that she was seemingly cool with it, and that was one of my fav songs of his. We listened to it together and it was done, that was my choice.
Fast forward a year to December 2015 and they finally release the album. Less than a month later, he passes after releasing his own album. I reached out to MBD, who are big Bowie fans themselves and have covered him in the past, to tell them they need to release the song to the wider public as tribute (wasn't posted to YouTube yet as only backers had vinyl copies and only diehard fans knew of its availability on bandcamp). They made it streamable for a few days and posted a link to share with fellow fans.
All of this, and my wife shares his birthday so it's always on my mind at least.
Bonus Five Years covered earlier in their career:
I feel like a douche after writing all this for making this about me and some other band, but again, it's all forever linked to Bowie and his passing in my mind. It's such an odd feeling. I didn't have the money for the kickstarter, but with the timing of it all, it seemed like a fitting tribute and I'll never have buyer's remorse for such a special release in my eyes.
Someone can be an international musical icon who inspired entire generations that followed him and still have done messed up shit back in the 70s. The two aren't mutually exclusive and don't cancel each other out. Don't act like one didn't happen just because you want to emphasize the other...
Yes, he and just about every other rock start back in the day had sex with under aged groupies.
Yes, his music, acting, and general celebrity has been a guiding force for people ever since his first moments in the spotlight.
Celebrate the man. Condemn the mistakes. But don't go telling other people they're opinion of him, which ever it may be, is wrong. And don't go trying to force your opinion of him on them.
Back on topic, Bowie was the whole reason I got into music to begin with and I definitely would not be who I am if it weren't for his albums, his character in Labrynth, and his general fantastically weird persona in every interview/documentary I've ever seen him in. I can't emphasize enough how much of an impact his work had on my early life, and I'm glad he left behind such an extensive library that I can still go back through and enjoy. He will be missed...
Yes, he and just about every other rock start back in the day had sex with under aged groupies.
Yes, his music, acting, and general celebrity has been a guiding force for people ever since his first moments in the spotlight.
Celebrate the man. Condemn the mistakes. But don't go telling other people they're opinion of him, which ever it may be, is wrong. And don't go trying to force your opinion of him on them.
Back on topic, Bowie was the whole reason I got into music to begin with and I definitely would not be who I am if it weren't for his albums, his character in Labrynth, and his general fantastically weird persona in every interview/documentary I've ever seen him in. I can't emphasize enough how much of an impact his work had on my early life, and I'm glad he left behind such an extensive library that I can still go back through and enjoy. He will be missed...
Entirely sensible.
The hypocrisy of excusing someone of sexual abuse because someone likes their art, while rightfully condemning other creeps and sexual predators that they don't happen to be fans of, really sours my stomach. I love his music, but no WAY will I pretend him fucking underage girls who couldn't give consent is okay.
Source on this? Even if it was true it doesn't make it okay. This "back in the 70's" shit doesn't fly, pretty sure my parents never raped anyone because "it was the 70's". Pretty sure most people never raped anyone because "well that's just the way things were int he 70's". And even if it was you drag their rapist ass in a courtroom in 2018 or into the court of public opinion because it's never okay no matter what decade and the 70's were not some magical time where it was.
You can have the opinion you enjoy his music but to celebrate the man is just ridiculous to me.
Were you're parents in the music industry? Rock, specifically? Because if so, then there actually is a very good chance they did and just never told you about it... And no, the fact that "everyone was doing it," as you put it, does not make it ok. But at least hold the rest of them to the same standard. Good luck dragging Bowie into a courtroom in 2018; as you said. But there are plenty of living rock stars from the 70s that you could do that with. By all means, apply this same thought process to them; since they're still around and can still be brought to justice for it.
And as far as that last statement, don't celebrate him. It's that simple. But understand that plenty of other people are going to. For the music. Not for the rape.
I mean, he's dead. That Bowie had sex with kids is gross, regardless of whether or not it was sort of the norm for the industry then, but there's no way of holding him accountable for it anymore either.
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An artist doing shitty things doesn't taint their work. Chinatown is still a classic movie, Bowie still has classic albums. The end.
Not many artists have such a consistent body of work; Prince and Stevie Wonder immediately come to mind but not many else off the top of my head.
Not many artists have such a consistent body of work; Prince and Stevie Wonder immediately come to mind but not many else off the top of my head.
Had no idea about that; sounds awesome! Definitely going to be checking at out in March then, thanks!
