Dude B there pretty clearly kept downplaying the shittiness, he just also went "oh btw i sure definitely think transphobia is shitty" as a defense to anyone calling him out on him excusing it. He also wasn't responding to the someone complaining about the amount of time it took up, he was responding to me pointing out that this standup is likely Chappelle doubling down on his bullshit.Dude A: my problem with the previous specials is the amount of time that the transphobic/problematic time took up
Dude B: in response to your very specific query about the proportion of runtime taken up by this shitty material, it's only 2 minutes [making no comment downplaying the shittiness of that 2 minutes].
The Pile: How fucking dare you excuse transphobia!!!
Where did I do that?
A bad joke is not the same thing as a hateful joke. Every comedian has bad jokes. To make a hateful joke? That comes from a real shitty fucking place, and no one owes any respect to someone who keeps reaching into that place.Yeah, you did and that's not going to cut it. Rather than trying to see if someone was transphobic and getting down to it you're trying to twist my words around to make it seem as though as I'm cool and ok with the transphobia even though I've said multiple times that I wasn't. If you still wanna keep doing this then go ahead, I just can't entertain that when there's real people out there who are transphobic.
That's not gonna work here my guy. You're looking at this as it's me saying "eh it's only a few minutes, it's nothing guys" when really it's me saying "damn, I can't watch those minutes, I'll watch everything else but I don't support that and I'm voicing that I'm against it" and that's a big difference. You're looking at this as I'm so relaxed I'm letting that slide when I'm against it when the reality is nah, I'm not for that and I've stated it multiple times I'm not for it but I'm for all the other stuff.
As for the soup, bruh, this isn't a soup by any means and if it is to you then it's not a soup for everyone and that's important. A better example is that this is an album. There's 12 tracks to it, one track is a bad track, what do I do? Do you expect me to say "nah fuck this album man I can't deal with it" or do you think I'm just going to delete the bad song off and listen to the rest of the album?
The issue is that rather than you taking your anger out on Chappelle you're trying to take it out on people who dislike those comments too and just because they don't dislike everything associated with it you're like "nah fuck them." You'd rather take your anger out on those who didn't throw the album away rather than the artist itself who created the album so I ask you something, why's your way better than those who didn't toss the album when you both disliked it? I know you're mad about it but you've got the wrong idea here because your idea of not supporting something isn't the same as other's ideas of not supporting it.
At a certain point it becomes less about those who are transphobic and more about the "hey lemme try and go against someone who disagrees with these ideals as well and just because they show their displease like I do then it's screw them."
Your last comment said "maybe this fucker should be called out for putting cat shits in his fucking soup" when I've said through multiple posts that I hate those bad jokes and don't support it...as if I'm not calling him out.
It doesn't work like that for everyone and until you realize that, there's nothing else more that needs to be said.
At this point if you're still thinking I'm ok with the transphobic comments then there's nothing else to say because you'd just rather believe that than believe my words, do as you like Capo. It's less about someone being transphobic and more about an agenda here all just because I and others show displeasure differently than you do which I've said in this thread, we're all different You can even say I'm defensive all you want if it makes you feel better.
Be good.
It's still pretty relevant in today's headline focused, angry society.Why are comedians still complaining about saying anything means risking everything. It's been years man, just tell your jokes.
A lot of comedians make hateful jokes all the time, that doesn't mean that they are full of hatred towards the punchline of the joke.A bad joke is not the same thing as a hateful joke. Every comedian has bad jokes. To make a hateful joke? That comes from a real shitty fucking place, and no one owes any respect to someone who keeps reaching into that place.
And this goes back to my first comment regarding the hateful jokes where I said if he said them...I'd hate those comments and be against them exactly like I did with the previous specials, exactly like if I tried to watch Raw and Delirious today. That's not showing them respect because, again, I hate those jokes. You can say "hey you're watching the special so you're giving him respect" but the reality is saying "I don't like that he says this" is also not showing him respect. How everyone shows respect and how everyone doesn't show respect isn't the same across the board so you equating what you'd do to me when I wouldn't act that way doesn't add up. Just because you want to show your displeasure towards something one way doesn't mean me doing it my way is wrong, that's just what I want to do.A bad joke is not the same thing as a hateful joke. Every comedian has bad jokes. To make a hateful joke? That comes from a real shitty fucking place, and no one owes any respect to someone who keeps reaching into that place.
In those cases the game devs don't ask for a boycott cause people not buying their game just won't improve their working conditions. That's not comparable at all to this. In this case a boycott actually could possibly be effective as it'd mean showing Netflix that we don't want more of Dave Chappelle's bullshit. They don't give a fuck about people's criticism, they give a fuck about watch and subscription numbers. If even stuff as extreme as teens committing more suicide attempts because of 13 Reasons Why hasn't stopped them from ordering more seasons of that show, then some people complaining about a shitty comedian's transphobia won't do anything either. Going "oh btw I actually really hate transphobia despite still watching and supporting the transphobe" on some forum they don't look at especially won't do anything.It's like boycotting. People were saying "hey let's boycott this" and "hey let's boycott that" but when game devs commented on boycotting their games multiple game devs said "eh hey you don't have to boycott, we'd actually like you to voice your displeasure towards this instead to improve studio condotions because the comments are more effective than the boycott." That doesn't mean you can't boycott, that's just not what I'd prefer to do. In this case I'd rather be against Chappelle's transphobic comments while still watching the other stuff I like. Doesn't mean I'm for that, I just have a different way of voicing my dislike than you.
At the end of the day the crux of it revolves around if you like those jokes or not and at this point I've said "I don't rock with those jokes at all, I hate them" so many times that it's beyond me trying to explain now lol. If you still think I'm cool with it by now then go ahead. This is the last time I'll respond to this because shit, we're adults. Intent matters.
A lot of comedians make hateful jokes all the time, that doesn't mean that they are full of hatred towards the punchline of the joke.
A lot of times comedy is just comedy. It's a stage persona that these guys take on. I can't comment specifically on whether or not Dave Chappelle is an ally (I don't know if he donates to any LGBTQ+ foundations, etc) but I'm also not sure that his bit was how he actually feels.
Homie, you can keep saying what you want but like I said in my last post to you on the previous page, there's really people out there transphobic and you're twisting my words to try and make a point when it's a serious subject. I just can't entertain that. No offense but this is my last response to you.In those cases the game devs don't ask for a boycott cause people not buying their game just won't improve their working conditions. That's not comparable at all to this. In this case a boycott actually could possibly be effective as it'd mean showing Netflix that we don't want more of Dave Chappelle's bullshit. They don't give a fuck about people's criticism, they give a fuck about watch and subscription numbers. If even stuff as extreme as teens committing more suicide attempts because of 13 Reasons Why hasn't stopped them from ordering more seasons of that show, then some people complaining about a shitty comedian's transphobia won't do anything either. Going "oh btw I actually really hate transphobia despite still watching and supporting the transphobe" on some forum they don't look at especially won't do anything.
Honestly, I really don't give a fuck if you watch the standup. I mean, you shouldn't, but whatever. I'm way more bothered by that you're so incredibly defensive about it. At the very least all the other people in this thread who are thoughtlessly getting hyped for it haven't posted a billion paragraphs about how really they're not transphobic.
And like I said, everyone's idea of what it means to support is different. What you think means supporting isn't what we all mean. It varies from person to person. My idea of supporting is being verbally against it which has actually been the most effective way to takedown comedians these past few years. Theres been so many who received backlash over the past 5 years. That's the motto. Either way that's me. If you disagree then hey you've got your own.Chappelle and Netflix don't care that you say you hate those jokes, they only care that you watched the special and are interested in watching further ones. That's the intent that matters, that you're still supporting the transphobic content despite saying you're against it.
Lmao how you support the standup isn't a matter of opinion. You either give him more views or you don't.Homie, you can keep saying what you want but like I said in my last post to you on the previous page, there's really people out there transphobic and you're twisting my words to try and make a point when it's a serious subject. I just can't entertain that. No offense but this is my last response to you.
And like I said, everyone's idea of what it means to support is different. What you think means supporting isn't what we all mean. It varies from person to person. My idea of supporting is being verbally against it. If you disagree then hey you've got your own.
A lot of comedians make hateful jokes all the time, that doesn't mean that they are full of hatred towards the punchline of the joke.
Is everything that a comedian jokes about their feelings towards that group how they feel? Look at someone like Anthony Jeselnik he has made a career on hateful jokes. Yet the dude, from what I've know/see is a pretty stand up guy. His comedy is just dark and shock humor.
Even if Chappelle somehow wasn't seriously transphobic, the jokes are still harmful. And considering that he's doubling down and being defensive it's especially clear that he means it.Is everything that a comedian jokes about their feelings towards that group how they feel? Look at someone like Anthony Jeselnik he has made a career on hateful jokes. Yet the dude, from what I've know/see is a pretty stand up guy. His comedy is just dark and shock humor.
Why are comedians still complaining about saying anything means risking everything. It's been years man, just tell your jokes.
Fair enough, and I have to agree with you regarding harn. Especially considering how big his fanbase/reach isEven if Chappelle somehow wasn't seriously transphobic, the jokes are still harmful. And considering that he's doubling down and being defensive it's especially clear that he means it.
Someone explain to me how it's humanly possible to make a shirt that long. Has science advanced that much?
How tf are people already arguing about the content of a special that hasn't released yet
Preemptive yikesHow tf are people already arguing about the content of a special that hasn't released yet
that's an old black trickI miss his Black Vs White people comedy tbh. His "white person" voice gets me every time.
As someone who loved Dave Chappelle but fell out bc of his antics, the show I went to last week was underwhelming if not a little disappointing. I was hoping to see growth but it didn't seem like he cared.
He spent a good 30 mins or more complaining about people's responses to Louis CK, his insensitivity, Kevin Hart, people being too sensitive, etc. Some people even cheered him over some of the remarks, which was a little disconcerting. coming to the defense of fucking assholes like CK and Hart was really bleh.
He had some good bits though. Won't spoil it for you all but once he moved away from his bullshit, he is funny.
Michael Che, who was part of the opening act, was funnier.
Che has his problems too, no doubt. I was just saying that his material was funnier than Chappelle's when the wife and i saw them last week.Man, don't ever listen to Che on Legion of Skanks if you think Chappelle is offensive.
He spent a good 30 mins or more complaining about people's responses to Louis CK, his insensitivity, Kevin Hart, people being too sensitive, etc. Some people even cheered him over some of the remarks, which was a little disconcerting. coming to the defense of fucking assholes like CK and Hart was really bleh.
Why do y'all do this shit? How do you have people in here talking about how these jokes have impacted them and others like them over the years, explain why they are harmful and then deflect with this fucking bullshit? We've had trans people on this site make topics expressing how distressed they were at how they are treated, some of which were about how bad of a place they were in because of it. Add to that the defense of C.K. and you broaden the net even further to all of the people harmed by sexual harassment and assault, some of whom surprisingly I know may be done with him for that.
Y'all, this is a standup called "Sticks & Stones", from someone who in his last standup was super transphobic, and it has a teaser in which the narrator goes on about how "dangerous" it is to tell jokes for a living these days.
Maybe don't be so excited for this. Unless you're actually looking forward to what'll probably be Dave Chappelle doubling down on his transphobia.
How tf are people already arguing about the content of a special that hasn't released yet
If to you fun is making fun of trans people, then yes I'm going to tell you to stop having fun.Do what you feel, but dont waste your time trying to tell other people to stop having fun. When was the last time that actually worked for you? It's not going to here either. If you dont want to watch the special then don't, but its not going to stop anyone else from doing so. The forum has a built in feature for ignoring threads. Make use of it if it bothers you.
If to you fun is making fun of trans people, then yes I'm going to tell you to stop having fun.
If the mods do their job, then you might not want to be so sure of who the people who'll get banned are lol.Just trying to save you the time, and eventual ban when the OT comes out. But hey, if you think this little tactic of putting words in peoples mouths and blatantly misrepresenting folks in order to try and force them to do what you want is kosher then by all means knock yourself out. Waste of time though.
Why do y'all do this shit? How do you have people in here talking about how these jokes have impacted them and others like them over the years, explain why they are harmful and then deflect with this fucking bullshit? We've had trans people on this site make topics expressing how distressed they were at how they are treated, some of which were about how bad of a place they were in because of it. Add to that the defense of C.K. and you broaden the net even further to all of the people harmed by sexual harassment and assault, some of whom surprisingly I know may be done with him for that.
Maybe because it's a recurring theme in how he has talked about it since his last specials they are rightfully guarded because if present it helps support an environment results in more stigma, trauma and violence for their communitues?
You're right though that can't be it they're just performing for others./s
Watched Dave for years and haven't watched a single one of these specials since he became another weak ass rich dude whining about how he can't say what he wants to say even though he has enough money and influence that he could get his shit out there if he really wanted.
Because at some point, we have to be able to collectively have a sense of humor about sensitive topics again. It can't ALWAYS be perfectly PC. And there's a growing backlash to the incessant "perfectly PC or else" dialogue that ultimately causes generally liberal people to move to the center because they get tired of being beat over the head with every little thing.
It's like when I was a vegetarian in my late teens. It wasn't good enough for my vegan friends, who weren't good enough for monks that sweep in front of themselves to avoid killing bugs, etc.
At some point, in some situations, a certain level of inappropriateness has to be ok if there is no intent to harm. Because otherwise, we're all spending our lives sweeping for fucking bugs. It's unreasonable, and counterproductive.
Again, even if Chappelle didn't intent to harm and was just being ignorant (which, he isn't, he's doubling down so it's clear he's being malicious at this point), that doesn't stop him spouting his transphobic views any less harmful. It'd be something if he actually apologized and tried to be better but he isn't doing that. Instead he's making a standup special about how he can't just be transphobic these days. It's very far from him messing up not being "perfectly PC".Because at some point, we have to be able to collectively have a sense of humor about sensitive topics again. It can't ALWAYS be perfectly PC. And there's a growing backlash to the incessant "perfectly PC or else" dialogue that ultimately causes generally liberal people to move to the center because they get tired of being beat over the head with every little thing.
It's like when I was a vegetarian in my late teens. It wasn't good enough for my vegan friends, who weren't good enough for monks that sweep in front of themselves to avoid killing bugs, etc.
At some point, in some situations, a certain level of inappropriateness has to be ok if there is no intent to harm. Because otherwise, we're all spending our lives sweeping for fucking bugs. It's unreasonable, and counterproductive.
Do what you feel, but dont waste your time trying to tell other people to stop having fun. When was the last time that actually worked for you? It's not going to here either. If you dont want to watch the special then don't, but its not going to stop anyone else from doing so. The forum has a built in feature for ignoring threads. Make use of it if it bothers you.
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In relation to the military ban : "If I was in ISIS in the trenches fighting against the United States and all of the sudden I see a man with a beard and big D-cups titties just rushing my foxhole and shit, I'd be horrified."
"Chappelle tells a story about being at a party where a trans girl gets high or drunk and proceeds to get sick and pass out. For Chappelle, "Whatever it was, it was definitely a man in a dress." He moseys over and unassumingly asks, "Is he okay?" He's admonished for using the wrong pronoun and now is immediately offended. "I support anyone's right to be who they are inside, but to what degree do I have to participate in your self-image? Why do I have to switch up my pronoun game for this motherfucker?" "
""I read in the paper that Caitlyn Jenner was contemplating posing nude in an upcoming issue of Sports Illustrated. And I knew it was politically incorrect to say, so I figured I'd just say it for everybody — yuck. Fuck, man, I just want to read some stats, like why are you cramming man-pussy in the middle of the sports page like that?"
Researchers interviewed transgender youths ages 15 to 21 and asked whether young people could use their chosen name at school, home, work and with friends. Compared with peers who could not use their chosen name in any context, young people who could use their name in all four areas experienced 71 percent fewer symptoms of severe depression, a 34 percent decrease in reported thoughts of suicide and a 65 percent decrease in suicidal attempts.
"Chappelle tells a story about being at a party where a trans girl gets high or drunk and proceeds to get sick and pass out. For Chappelle, "Whatever it was, it was definitely a man in a dress." He moseys over and unassumingly asks, "Is he okay?" He's admonished for using the wrong pronoun and now is immediately offended. "I support anyone's right to be who they are inside, but to what degree do I have to participate in your self-image? Why do I have to switch up my pronoun game for this motherfucker?"