Cyberpunk 2077 Gameplay Demo
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I think if somebody purposefully set up a parody version of this forum they'd struggle to top the real thing.
Satire is dead, and all that..
This is almost surely a direct result of the trans joke on Twitter. I think if this had been released without that tweet, people would have been more inclined to ignore it.
You can write an offensive character without being an objectionable person, obviously, but because they cast a questionable light on the morality of the studio, these things are naturally going to garner greater scrutiny.
this sold me on the perspective decision within the first few minutes. there's a certain claustrophobic feeling about those interiors that you can't get in 3rd person.
in terms of writing, this wasn't quite the tone I was expecting from the Witcher 3 team's next game but it won me over by the end.
in terms of writing, this wasn't quite the tone I was expecting from the Witcher 3 team's next game but it won me over by the end.
I know people are tired about the language discussion, and by all means I don't think it's a huge issue in the grand scheme of things, but I don't really get why conversation about the dialogue in a story heavy game is a separate issue when most of the thread will actually be people arguing pedantry over the lighting, or the tech specs, or the way the gunplay feels. Why is it that this pedantry is fine, while discussion about the actual dialogue in the game needs to be segmented off?
This is the same demo they saw at E3, beat for beat. Everyone kept talking about the eye surgery and the medics with guns showing up at the beginning. Edit: I misread what you said, I think I remember Vinny at Giantbomb during E3 saying, this looks good, but it's not something miraculous and super next gen.
At this point it's clear that the argument over the language has overshadowed the discussion of the Gameplay demo. So i think (and other) it would be best to split the subjects. That way the can both be focused on separately.
I'm not trying to be an arsehole. Just agreeing with what i feel would be beneficial for this thread on a whole.
So do people want the game to be just post struggle where sexism is over? Or do they just want to have the sexist language gone. However, if it's the latter I wonder how much you can really portray a sexist society if everyone is nice and watches their potty mouth.
Because gamers™ cannot handle discussions about social issues.
If the insult "cunt" was put into the game to get a reaction out of some players it seems to have worked as intended.
It helps to convey that these gangsters are scum. Maybe amercian women want to kill the gangster even more after hearing that insult.
In contrast to most of the real world scenarios here you can blow their fucking head off for uttering the slur.
It helps to convey that these gangsters are scum. Maybe amercian women want to kill the gangster even more after hearing that insult.
In contrast to most of the real world scenarios here you can blow their fucking head off for uttering the slur.
I have a solution all other territories keep the word "Cunt" and the North American version of the game they change it to something else. There we go problem solved.
What connotation? I asked other posters to somehow try and explain to me why calling two characters, one who is male and one who is female, cunts, is an example of some sort of targetted gender discrimination.
I also suggested, as I'm sure it will be the case, that if the MC was male "cunts" would still be said to the two attackers.
Also, if people in the topic are going to argue to remove context, then wouldn't bitch also be off-limits?
If you just don't like the word and don't want it in the game, full stop, then be honest about that without having to make up scenarios or try to say this is a clear case of gender discrimination when it's not. It's the dishonesty I dislike.
I can respect not liking the word and be trying to make your case it should never be in a game, but be honest.
What social issues are arriving from a scene where two attackers are trying to kill a mob boss?
45 pages in a few hours?
guess this game will be beyond huge
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oh, or is it about the c-word?
I'm from the US, so I never hear it used.
But when I'm in FootyEra It's probably the most used word after "the" to be honest lol.
so it's a thing in different places.
guess this game will be beyond huge
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oh, or is it about the c-word?
I'm from the US, so I never hear it used.
But when I'm in FootyEra It's probably the most used word after "the" to be honest lol.
so it's a thing in different places.
Well, I think the fact that I had to specify I was talking about the game when asking someone what their argument was should answer that question. People were arguing over the actual meaning of the word "pussy". Doesn't really have anything to do with the game at that point, imo.
Blown away. Deus Ex (original) is in my top 5, hell, it's maybe my favourite single player game of all time, and this looks like the spiritual successor cranked up to 11.
There is an apparent insane level of talent working on this game. I'm tempted to now declare Poland's CDPR as the number 1 developer in the world based on just that footage. And this is from someone who hasn't really played the witcher series.
The potential story branching and gameplay creativity is what impressed me the most. But it's the fact that it's gameplay that exists in such a stunningly designed world is what sets it apart.
The world building, the atmosphere, the style, the characters, the artistry of everything, the UI, the adverts, the fashion, the buildings, everything looks immaculate. It has all this creativity, and variety, yet it comes together in a cohesive, consistent way. Always looked cool and never tacky.
People are nitpicking it to death looking at some comments, but for me that's like not seeing the forest for the trees. Sure, the gunplay isn't as good looking as say Last of Us 2, but then LOU2 isn't dealing with crazy weapon variety, weapon mods, character stats, character mods, all affecting how you shoot in an RPG style game. I thought it was very, very solid shooting for an RPG at heart and much, much better than GTA style third person auto lock BS.
Well done CDPR *polish flag emoji*
There is an apparent insane level of talent working on this game. I'm tempted to now declare Poland's CDPR as the number 1 developer in the world based on just that footage. And this is from someone who hasn't really played the witcher series.
The potential story branching and gameplay creativity is what impressed me the most. But it's the fact that it's gameplay that exists in such a stunningly designed world is what sets it apart.
The world building, the atmosphere, the style, the characters, the artistry of everything, the UI, the adverts, the fashion, the buildings, everything looks immaculate. It has all this creativity, and variety, yet it comes together in a cohesive, consistent way. Always looked cool and never tacky.
People are nitpicking it to death looking at some comments, but for me that's like not seeing the forest for the trees. Sure, the gunplay isn't as good looking as say Last of Us 2, but then LOU2 isn't dealing with crazy weapon variety, weapon mods, character stats, character mods, all affecting how you shoot in an RPG style game. I thought it was very, very solid shooting for an RPG at heart and much, much better than GTA style third person auto lock BS.
Well done CDPR *polish flag emoji*
Wasn't really digging the VO actress for V. Also, the writing wasn't really what I expected. It's not egregiously bad, but I expected more after the Witcher 3.
Yes, this thread has gone to shit. Not because a handful of women on this site are criticising the copious usage of gendered insults, but because of so many posters who seem incapable of carefully reading what exactly they're saying without building a strawman and attacking it. No one in this thread believes this game should be a squeaky clean sanitised affair where underworld mobs politely call you mates while in the middle of a life or death gunfight. It's not a criticism of bad language boo hoo, someone think of the kids. It's a criticism of why these gendered insults are necessary considering this is a future setting with plentiful opportunities for the writing team to get creative with vaguely future lingo and vernaculars. A little bit of empathy wouldn't hurt when you're reading posts from Laiza and rras1994 to at least understand where exactly they're coming from and the foundation for why they're frustrated and sick of tired of what it is they're criticising without snidely deriding them as being outraged for the sake of it.
As for the demo itself, ehh, it's fine. I'm still undecided as to whether I'll bother with this game, as CDPR have given me cause to side-eye them of late, and I'm not particularly impressed by the range of breadth of the actual roleplaying they've demonstrated in this video. That could certainly change, I'm aware. Other than that, I am very impressed by how the city looks, especially the sheer density of civilians all at once. And they say they're aiming for this to be a seamless open world with zero loading screens? That's impressively ambitious.
As for the demo itself, ehh, it's fine. I'm still undecided as to whether I'll bother with this game, as CDPR have given me cause to side-eye them of late, and I'm not particularly impressed by the range of breadth of the actual roleplaying they've demonstrated in this video. That could certainly change, I'm aware. Other than that, I am very impressed by how the city looks, especially the sheer density of civilians all at once. And they say they're aiming for this to be a seamless open world with zero loading screens? That's impressively ambitious.
Yea most people are gonna ignore people who just want to argue than discuss. Nothing to do with gender. This childish behaviour "I've won HAHAHA", yea thats gonna cause you to end up on ignore lists.
Dont buy the game then. Not all games are made for you. I dont play CoD, counterstrike, etc cause i find such glorification of fake-realistic gun violence in a real world setting gross. It doesn't make me relax, cause it just makes me think of all the awful stuff happening in the world right now.
The demo seems pretty impressive, graphically isn't nothing out of this world but the amount of stuff on screen and the attention to detail is mind blowing. Seeing that city for the first time was incredible, you can almost feel all the possibilities. What really surprised me was the gameplay, I was expecting a lot of jank and stiff movement but got the opposite. Not id Soft levels of good but definitely a step up from Deus Ex. The writing and the structure of the quest is a trademark from Red Projekt, enganging and clever. I just hope we have a lot of customization options, I want to make multiple runs and try different builds and witness different outcomes. Overall, I'm very impressed.
Because people don't want to listen about controversial topics such as the offensive language used in their favorite hobby.
Huh kinda reminds me of something that happened not long ago in a sport :thinking:
It's because it's a bigger issue and requires its own separate field to discuss. The demo thread is to encompass all aspects of the demo and the peoples' reactions to it. Segmenting bigger issues allows for more thorough more open and more focused discussions about them rather than filling up a thread where the discussion is all over the place with various aspects of the game.
Not to derail this convo further but...son of a bitch? How is that not sexist?
The more interesting thing about that detail is that the card that contained the credits and the virus, you can keep it. What does that mean? Can you use it to try and buy a new eye and hand? What happens when that store keeper tries to process the transaction? Same with arms dealers?
I imagine it's lame and the card just disarms after the mission if you don't use it, but imagine if it didn't and they have to account for you using it in every other potential transaction in the entire game?
I completely agree. But that's not why i agree with the sentiment that it should have it's own thread.
Looks great - obvious the devs took a lot of inspiration from the newer Deux Ex titles. I hope they clean up the HUD elements a bit more for release, and that the "real" missions in the game end up being more open-ended, but otherwise the game's living up to expectations.
Sure he has. And on point with what is happening with cyberpunk here. His movies are amazing because he portrays aggressive behavior incredibly. Same here. Some will not tolerate it, which is fine.
This is a terrible argument. Video games are not just about relaxing at the end of the day. Bejeweled is great for that, but sometimes people want a more visceral experience. Some may want thrills, emotion, and yes, even outrage. These are the things that move us. I don't think you can make the argument that video games are all about escaping your problems in the real world. Maybe for you, and if that's the case, you should probably think about giving this game a miss.
Seen tons of people not really liking this...I have a hard time understanding why.
I am probably biased, Cyberpunk is my most favorite theme and CD Projekt one of my favorite devs and I've been waiting for a trailer like this since the first teaser where it says "it will come when it's ready" and they were just starting to develop Witcher 3.
Well this is my dream game after all, is the footage perfect? Nope, of course it's a little rough on the edge, but I believe the alpha stage of this, the game isn't coming out for at least another years, even two.
What I like about it? Real RPG elements in a cyberpunk setting. What do I mean? RPG is a broad term, but what I mean by RPG is the roughest definition you find, basically the Role Play experience. This starts by the city, the apartment, the attention to details, to the NPCs walking on the street, etc. it really does feel you are breathing this world, from the music, to the lighting and the conversation you hear. Propos for the subtitles on NCPs head, really brings me back to old school games, always loved that.
Now it's a always a good thing to not let your expectation be surreal, it is an videogames after all, nothing more. I guess if you don't like FP view it's already a bummer for you, but for someone tired of the closed 3rd person camera, this is a breath of fresh air.
Thank you CD Projekt for this gameplay demo, we all waited for it for a long time and no, it doesn't disappoint. Be a fan of your work and don't let others distract you, do what you think is best for Cyberpunk and take your time.
I am probably biased, Cyberpunk is my most favorite theme and CD Projekt one of my favorite devs and I've been waiting for a trailer like this since the first teaser where it says "it will come when it's ready" and they were just starting to develop Witcher 3.
Well this is my dream game after all, is the footage perfect? Nope, of course it's a little rough on the edge, but I believe the alpha stage of this, the game isn't coming out for at least another years, even two.
What I like about it? Real RPG elements in a cyberpunk setting. What do I mean? RPG is a broad term, but what I mean by RPG is the roughest definition you find, basically the Role Play experience. This starts by the city, the apartment, the attention to details, to the NPCs walking on the street, etc. it really does feel you are breathing this world, from the music, to the lighting and the conversation you hear. Propos for the subtitles on NCPs head, really brings me back to old school games, always loved that.
Now it's a always a good thing to not let your expectation be surreal, it is an videogames after all, nothing more. I guess if you don't like FP view it's already a bummer for you, but for someone tired of the closed 3rd person camera, this is a breath of fresh air.
Thank you CD Projekt for this gameplay demo, we all waited for it for a long time and no, it doesn't disappoint. Be a fan of your work and don't let others distract you, do what you think is best for Cyberpunk and take your time.
If anything, the fact that people are so bothered by the discussion happening in the first place is why such discussions need to be happening.
Gamers™:Cursing is ok why don't you like cursing this isn't sesame street this is super mature to be dark and gritty fiction must use this type of language always, stop being offended™ and outraged™
"Ok I have a problem with the dialogue in this game, specifically how try hard it is with it's insults, which also are gendered and derogatory against women in a way that normalizes that kind of thing while also not actually saying anything about the subject. Cool demo though"
Gamers™:Cursing is ok why don't you like cursing this isn't sesame street this is super mature to be dark and gritty fiction must use this type of language always, stop being offended™ and outraged™
If we're discussing the gendered connotations of cunt, you can't just then casually imply bitch would be in any way a better alternative.
I think it went a little off the rails when we were diving into the definition of the word, but there's a lot of posts in here that downright reek of trying to avoid discussing sensitive or political aspects of games. I don't even fully disagree with the people saying that it makes sense that bad criminal underworld dude would use slurs, but I also think there's a severe lack of empathy and a high level of dismissal that i'm not fully comfortable with. It also just doesn't really make sense when this whole thread is going to be 100 pages of people arguing about whether or not red dead or cyberpunk has better pre-baked lighting in a compressed youtube video, so I'm really not sure why one discussion is so annoying while the other one can carry right on.
Yeah, I did not like Jackie because of the stereotypical Hollywood spanglish. I'm Hispanic and don't know any Hispanics/Mexicans that speak like that. And then there's the "accent". It doesn't sound like it's a Hispanic VA to me.
Aside from that and a couple minor things, I found the demo to be okay. Nothing mind blowing or anything.
Which again. I agree with.If anything, the fact that people are so bothered by the discussion happening in the first place is why such discussions need to be happening.
The fact that this is even being made into a sexist argument is crazy to me. It's a MATURE game, games for years and years and years and years have used this sort of language we aren't all 12. The answer truly is and remains to be just don't play the game if you happen to be offended. Play something a little more E OR T rated then I don't know what to say.
it's a drastic shift from Geralt's stoic delivery for sure
This sure says a lot about the medium and how it handles "mature" subject matter.
The quality of dialogue here doesn't even remotely touch Tarantino's work dude, pls stop lmfao.