I dont trust people to stay in quarantine, travel, touch anything and cough everywhere to not be peace in mindDon't worry. Really. The main, global impact of this will be economic. Most people in the world will be fine, health wise.
I dont trust people to stay in quarantine, travel, touch anything and cough everywhere to not be peace in mindDon't worry. Really. The main, global impact of this will be economic. Most people in the world will be fine, health wise.
How does this delayed effect function and is it something that could realistically occur in humans?
Also malnutrition, bad hygiene and understaffed medical personnel because of the war.Not really. The Spanish Flu was deadly because of the Cytokine Storm it induced in otherwise healthy patients.
I always wonder when viruses like this one will cause a FIP-like disease in people.
For reference, I am a veterinarian. FIP in cats is a disease caused by a corona virus (same family but not closely related to the COVID19 virus).
The virus itself is very contagious initially between cats (only) and will cause minimal to no symptoms in the initial phase (mild diarrhea for those that do have symptoms).
The cat afterward then looks completely normal. Contagions levels drops but the cats are still contagious.
HOWEVER, 4-8 month later in 5 to 30% of the cats (depending on the strains) will develop a second phase of the disease that has a near 100% fatality rate. The is no cure or effective treatments (there is some experimental ones that show some promise).
The ones that do not get the second phase of the disease will have a normal life but do remain contagious (but less so than initial phase).
There is no good screening test for carrier cats.
It's an terrible virus and it would be terrible if something like this ever start in people.
Can you imagine all those people that do not die initially of the COVID19 but half a year later start dying? And then found out that they were contagious all that time? I hope this never happens but this is what scares me when new human-spread virus emerge.
The second phase is caused by what is called an immune complex disease. There is several conditions in humans that involves this. It's basically a reaction to the antibodies that are attached to the antigens (the virus in the FIP case). There is currently no virus in people can cause this with high frequency in people but there are are cases of immune complexe disease in people that have been triggered/caused by virus (rare complication of certain viral infections). They actual use animal model of virus that do this in mice and cats to better underunderstand immune complexHow does this delayed effect function and is it something that could realistically occur in humans?
I know there are numerous crazy conditions that affect various animals that can't affect humans because of our physiology
Sorry, just did emergency exploratory on a 8 month kitten this morning. We were hoping for it to be just a swallowed object but this kitten does have FIP instead. Probably has a couple weeks to live. Just was very sad afterward and just hoped people never had to ever experience virus like this.
SARS and MERS did involve similar immune reactions seen in FIP. So it's not an unreasonable thing to think other Corona virus in people could do so.Unfortunately some evidences are showing this is the case... I do hope the mortality is not that high thought.
The second phase is caused by what is called an immune complex disease. There is several conditions in humans that involves this. It's basically a reaction to the antibodies that are attached to the antigens (the virus in the FIP case). There is currently no virus in people can cause this with high frequency in people but there are are cases of immune complexe disease in people that have been triggered/caused by virus (rare complication of certain viral infections). They actual use animal model of virus that do this in mice and cats to better underunderstand immune complex
Sorry, just did emergency exploratory on a 8 month kitten this morning. We were hoping for it to be just a swallowed object but this kitten does have FIP instead. Probably has a couple weeks to live. Just was very sad afterward and just hoped people never had to ever experience virus like this.
SARS and MERS did involve similar immune reactions seen in FIP. So it's not an unreasonable thing to think other Corona virus in people could do so.
No, basically the virus survives in a weaken state in the body. It no longer cause the initial disease in that person because the immune system keeps it under control (think Tourista bug, people in endemic area no longer experience any symptoms but people new to the area can catch it from them).Similar as in a permanently weakened immune system? I just want to make sure I'm understanding.
No, basically the virus survives in a weaken state in the body. It no longer cause the initial disease in that person because the immune system keeps it under control (think Tourista bug, people in endemic area no longer experience any symptoms but people new to the area can catch it from them).
However, is some cases, the immune system start to attack the virus in a different way. The weaken virus get trapped by antibodies and then the immune systems 'blast' the area slowly destroying the body. So it become an type of auto-immune disease. So basically it's over active immune system not immune compromised disease (such as AIDS).
Autoimmune diseases in people can very much be treated though. As someone with RA and Lupus, I know this intimately. There is no evidence that COVID19 or any specific virus can lead to autoimmune disease in humans.No, basically the virus survives in a weaken state in the body. It no longer cause the initial disease in that person because the immune system keeps it under control (think Tourista bug, people in endemic area no longer experience any symptoms but people new to the area can catch it from them).
However, is some cases, the immune system start to attack the virus in a different way. The weaken virus get trapped by antibodies and then the immune systems 'blast' the area slowly destroying the body. So it become an type of auto-immune disease. So basically it's over active immune system not immune compromised disease (such as AIDS).
Autoimmune diseases in people can very much be treated though. As someone with RA and Lupus, I know this intimately. There is no evidence that COVID19 or any specific virus can lead to autoimmune disease in humans.
I'm just trying to be realistic. Sorry, people were talking like it was a possibility. Like, GBS is thought to maybe be caused by a reaction to a virus but there is not even any proof for that. And GBS was most likely extremely fatal before modern medicine so it was studied.I think they were just talking about a hypothetical situation where COVID19 did have that kind of reaction and then explaining how that could potentially play out.
Jesus Christ, man. Nightmare fuel.I always wonder when viruses like this one will cause a FIP-like disease in people.
For reference, I am a veterinarian. FIP in cats is a disease caused by a corona virus (same family but not closely related to the COVID19 virus).
The virus itself is very contagious initially between cats (only) and will cause minimal to no symptoms in the initial phase (mild diarrhea for those that do have symptoms).
The cat afterward then looks completely normal. Contagions levels drops but the cats are still contagious.
HOWEVER, 4-8 month later in 5 to 30% of the cats (depending on the strains) will develop a second phase of the disease that has a near 100% fatality rate. The is no cure or effective treatments (there is some experimental ones that show some promise).
The ones that do not get the second phase of the disease will have a normal life but do remain contagious (but less so than initial phase).
There is no good screening test for carrier cats.
It's an terrible virus and it would be terrible if something like this ever start in people.
Can you imagine all those people that do not die initially of the COVID19 but half a year later start dying? And then found out that they were contagious all that time? I hope this never happens but this is what scares me when new human-spread virus emerge.
The second phase is caused by what is called an immune complex disease. There is several conditions in humans that involves this. It's basically a reaction to the antibodies that are attached to the antigens (the virus in the FIP case). There is currently no virus in people can cause this with high frequency in people but there are are cases of immune complexe disease in people that have been triggered/caused by virus (rare complication of certain viral infections). They actual use animal model of virus that do this in mice and cats to better underunderstand immune complex
Sorry, just did emergency exploratory on a 8 month kitten this morning. We were hoping for it to be just a swallowed object but this kitten does have FIP instead. Probably has a couple weeks to live. Just was very sad afterward and just hoped people never had to ever experience virus like this.
SARS and MERS did involve similar immune reactions seen in FIP. So it's not an unreasonable thing to think other Corona virus in people could do so.
I dont trust people to stay in quarantine, travel, touch anything and cough everywhere to not be peace in mind
They're really not. Unless you can link directly to sound at sources saying otherwiseUnfortunately some evidences are showing this is the case... I do hope the mortality is not that high thought.
It's hard to take it Serious when the serious/critical condition went up by 800. Id love to be wrong but I think it's providing a false narrative. Even if China is being as truthful as possible I don't think they can keep up with the swarm of people that need to be treatedFrom BNO
1,638 new cases and 94 new deaths in Hubei province, China.
I would see it positively if we were sure about case acceptance but with maybe new rules of counting I don't think I want to see it for more than a number , we ll need to see a few days of evolution, its about 500 less cases than yesterday and 800 than 2 days ago
Top English Premier League player Deli Alle apologizes for his stupid video and "joke". The Football Association is expecting an explanation from him.
Alli apologises for coronavirus 'joke'
Tottenham's Dele Alli apologises for a social media post in which he joked about the coronavirus outbreak, saying "I let myself down and the club".www.bbc.com
I m not surprised by the seriou critical condition added out of more than 30000 case admitted, if you look at Singapore they have 7 critical out of 47 cases, I think that due to the constraints in equipment and health worker a lot of people will evolve to critical condition in hubei (20-30%) we can see a 15% death rate there because of these constraints versus other part of china or countries (of course china won't admit that)It's hard to take it Serious when the serious/critical condition went up by 800. Id love to be wrong but I think it's providing a false narrative. Even if China is being as truthful as possible I don't think they can keep up with the swarm of people that need to be treated
That's a huge decrease and I'm pretty sure the new rules don't actually discount people without symptoms.From BNO
1,638 new cases and 94 new deaths in Hubei province, China.
I would see it positively if we were sure about case acceptance but with maybe new rules of counting I don't think I want to see it for more than a number , we ll need to see a few days of evolution, its about 500 less cases than yesterday and 800 than 2 days ago
God dam another 39.A whole bunch of new infections on that cruise, including one of the testers.
Give them a break, you shitty ass virus.
imagine the people with inside cabins with no window, it's like a prison. Also, seems to me fresh air and sunlight would be healthier overall, they should let them sit on the deck.God dam another 39.
I've been saying it since the beginning but I'll say it again they need to get them off that dam boat. It's absolutely inhumane to force them to stay on it and it's causing more people to get sick
Viruses don't take breaks.A whole bunch of new infections on that cruise, including one of the testers.
Give them a break, you shitty ass virus.
What are you, virus Batman?
God dam another 39.
I've been saying it since the beginning but I'll say it again they need to get them off that dam boat. It's absolutely inhumane to force them to stay on it and it's causing more people to get sick
Wherever the boat was supposed to disembark at the end of its journey. Countries can't accept the good from cruise ships without dealing with the crapyes, they need to get off the boat, but which country will accept them?
Incomplete breakdown, but it appears that a lot of Japanese are infected. Not sure why there are so many more.174 out of 350 are infected on that cruise, just shows how infectious this thing is.
These cases are from Australia (four), Canada (one), England (one), Japan (45), Philippines (three), Ukraine (one) and USA (eleven).
Argentina (one); Australia (five); Canada (five), Japan (21); United Kingdom (one) and United States (eight).
Two Australian guests, three Japanese guests, three guests from Hong Kong, and one guest from the U.S. in addition to one Filipino crewmember.
Maybe more Japanese on the ship considering its location?Incomplete breakdown, but it appears that a lot of Japanese are infected. Not sure why there are so many more.
I wonder about the ventilation system in the ship. Also how was food and drink prepared in the first week or two when they realized there was a developing problem. How many times did people leave their rooms in that time, touch elevator panels, stair rails, that sort of thing.I'm not sure I'm understanding the cruise ship situation. Is it that they had likely all been exposed at some point and the incubation is just playing out while they're in quarantine? Or are they somehow catching it despite continuing to be confined to their cabins?
Incomplete breakdown, but it appears that a lot of Japanese are infected. Not sure why there are so many more.
Isn't t 350 people a bit small for pupulation of a cruise ship?174 out of 350 are infected on that cruise, just shows how infectious this thing is.
They only tested people who had symptoms.Isn't t 350 people a bit small for pupulation of a cruise ship?
I think it's more likely that someone with multiple opportunities to contact multiple people like a tour guide or a waiter rather than elevator buttons, but who knows.I wonder about the ventilation system in the ship. Also how was food and drink prepared in the first week or two when they realized there was a developing problem. How many times did people leave their rooms in that time, touch elevator panels, stair rails, that sort of thing.
Probably some of A and B.I'm not sure I'm understanding the cruise ship situation. Is it that they had likely all been exposed at some point and the incubation is just playing out while they're in quarantine? Or are they somehow catching it despite continuing to be confined to their cabins?
yes, they need to get off the boat, but which country will accept them?
I imagine there must be ghost towns in the country, but in terms of having modern conveniences that boat is probably as good as it gets with international electricity, wifi, phones, washrooms/showers.How about the fucking country the boat is docked off the coast of? Does Japan not have anywhere they can place these people that's more humane than this floating prison, where every day you might be the next one to get infected? Cripes. This is almost Hague-worthy.
Stair railings, elevator buttons, sure. But the big one is breakfast and lunch dining, which is nearly 100% via buffet. There are hand sanitiser stations at the start of every single line, but you still get morons who don't use them, especially older people in my experience.I wonder about the ventilation system in the ship. Also how was food and drink prepared in the first week or two when they realized there was a developing problem. How many times did people leave their rooms in that time, touch elevator panels, stair rails, that sort of thing.
Stair railings, elevator buttons, sure. But the big one is breakfast and lunch dining, which is nearly 100% via buffet. There are hand sanitiser stations at the start of every single line, but you still get morons who don't use them, especially older people in my experience.
at this point, buffets are now making me nauseated just thinking about it
Given that people on Era can't be trusted to shower daily, or wash their hands after using the bathroom (both literally confirmed in threads on those topics), yeah, you do have to wonder about whether the rest of humanity can actually be trusted with buffets.at this point, buffets are now making me nauseated just thinking about it
I was thinking about how self service stations might contribute to spreading diseases the other day. Instead of a few staff helping and serving customers, a lot of places, at least here, have customers get their own cutlery and sauces from these stations these days. And almost every fast food place here have self service stations to order your from a screen these days too.
Restaurants also let customers order off tablets.