Ying and Yang is a concept that pre-dates Jesus. It isn't a racist concept. Especially when the characters in the OP are shadows of they counterparts. Not them turning African.
Consistent whitewashing of Princess Zelda is a symptom of wider racial issues at Nintendo
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Ying and Yang is a concept that pre-dates Jesus. It isn't a racist concept. Especially when the characters in the OP are shadows of they counterparts. Not them turning African.
This might shock you, but Nintendo doesn't make the Pokemon anime.
Nintendo doesn't produce the anime.I did know that, it's just to show a trend of fuck ups nintendo has done. If they had truly learned from it this episode wouldn't have happened
This is the kinda thread that gets pointed at when people that complain about political correctness want to show how ridiculous people are.
The tan thing is a trope in Japan. Paler skin is associated with wealth and class, tanned skin is associated with people working the fields and labour. You can make an argument why that is wrong, but in the context of the game, it makes sense.
The tan thing is a trope in Japan. Paler skin is associated with wealth and class, tanned skin is associated with people working the fields and labour. You can make an argument why that is wrong, but in the context of the game, it makes sense.
I get what youre trying to do, i do. There are problems in game and character designs that can be addressed and made more considerate, But this really reads like outrage for small things and in other cases, just reaching.
Tropes in video games and other media, specially japanese ones will continue for a long time.
What this thread feels like is just aiming at anything that feels like they're slighting black people and culture somehow.
Also on the whole family thing, My father is darker than i am, my sister is lighter than i am and i am in the middle of their shades.
My sister can tan to be darker than i am and closer to my father so its not crazy.
Beyond all the examples in the OP, I was recently thinking of how Zelda has blonde-washed / aryanized their characters too. Link and Zelda used to be brown-red-haired in the NES games; nowadays they're invariably blonder than Marylin Monroe.
This is incidentally one of the reasons why Twilight Princess's designs are still among my favorite; it was the closest we got to reversing the trend in like two decades.
His LBW hair is of a similar chestnut to LttP's original art, but I understand it's not as brown as the NES games' artwork.
No. Like I said in my previous post it looked to be strictly overtly "woke" Americans doing the complaining for us.
Don't get me wrong, you all have my sword when it comes to the evil = darker skin bullshit that goes on in gaming. But that Mario in a sombrero was so endearing and yet so strange to see others doing the complaining we weren't making. It's a non-issue.
Pokémon anime has nothing to do with Nintendo though?I did know that, it's just to show a trend of fuck ups nintendo has done. If they had truly learned from it this episode wouldn't have happened
Your claim was that people can't get as tan as Tetra. Stop moving the goalpost please. I'm also, like others, wondering what exactly Twintelle has to do with racism.
Lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_ceruse
Depiction of royal families as rich white assholes clearly influenced how a princess in a medieval inspired fantasy would look like.
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Yeah, this is reaching... a lot. I can understand Cliffy B saying that he also quit gaming because it was toxic AF. Nintendo doesn´t give a shit about this thread, sure, but I can see a developer launching a new game, putting all his love into it, checking the forums to see impressions and reading a new thread saying that one character he made is a sign of racism, when there is absolutely nothing to do with it. Fucking stupid.
Yeah, this is reaching... a lot. I can understand Cliffy B saying that he also quit gaming because it was toxic AF. Nintendo doesn´t give a shit about this thread, sure, but I can see a developer launching a new game, putting all his love into it, checking the forums to see impressions and reading a new thread saying that one character he made is a sign of racism, when there is absolutely nothing to do with it. Fucking stupid.
There's also the fact that some devs/directors actually came all the way over here and took the inspiration directly, and didnt just Googled their impressions of Mexico.
Oh man. I never made this connection before, but now it makes a crazy amount of sense. I can't believe I didn't catch this allusion. It seems so blatant in retrospect.
Less than an hour ago you didn't even believe pale people could tan that much.
EDIT: The sombrero was not racist, because even our Olympic committee puts one on the head of our athletes in the Olympics, i just wanted to say that its boring and predictable when our people uses other kind of hats, that look better.
I don't, that stupid sobrero only represents the southweast of Mexico, mainly Jalisco, this is the sombrero i wanted to be in game
Or this
Theres so much mexican culture out there, if you want to represent México with a hat at least do it with a hat that half the population uses.
Joking, but i really hate that sombrero, the Mexican sport federation puts one in your head in the olympics, even to athletes that are from northern states, it sucks
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It's a lighter colours = purity thing that isn't uncommon in character design, but it is fucked up when it extends to skin colour.
When they darken the skin of Evil Ryu, alongside his Gi, it's to connote a lost purity. I'm sure the racist connotations are a byproduct, but they do still exist and it is still fucked up.
When they darken the skin of Evil Ryu, alongside his Gi, it's to connote a lost purity. I'm sure the racist connotations are a byproduct, but they do still exist and it is still fucked up.
Windwaker is one of my favorite games but I can't seem to remember - does the skin color change happen immediately with Zelda? Because in all fairness she is cooped up inside for awhile waiting for Link to get his shit together. Would at least make sense if it were not immediate, I am not sure I would necessarily interpret Tetra as being colored as opposed to tan. It's suspect to just have it change because she assumed her true princess identity.
I don't see many people do that though? The Zelda/Tetra one was pretty much the only valid one OP had, but then decided to derail their own thread with reaches like Dark Link, Twintelle, the claim white people can't get tans as strong as Tetra's or the Pokemon anime, which Nintendo doesn't even have anything to dow ith.
A cool detail is that in OoT, when Link enters the Dark Link room, he loses his shadow. Because Dark Link IS his shadow. When he exits the room, he has his shadow again. Neat stuff.
You know op....there is this one franchise that build its foundation on the whole light =good and dark=bad thing. It is called star wars....and even there i wouldn't think that it is intentionally racist.
Evil characters being portrayed as darker goes back to emotions. "Bad" emotions are often called dark or depicted as dark. People that were light skinned give in to these emotions and either get a dark aura or are being consumed by their emotions and turn darker.
And it isn't because of racism...this dates way back. The sun was worshipped in most cultures and was a symbol for good things...therefor light was something good. Darkness meant most of the time death because it didn't help cultures to survive. It doesn't help that people living in darkness are more affected by bad emotions and stuff.
And the tetra zelda stuff is pretty basic. Royalty is white in asian countries. It dates back to the social structure that royalty doesn't work in the fields and therefor has no tan. People shielded themself from sunlight to keep their light skin.
Evil characters being portrayed as darker goes back to emotions. "Bad" emotions are often called dark or depicted as dark. People that were light skinned give in to these emotions and either get a dark aura or are being consumed by their emotions and turn darker.
And it isn't because of racism...this dates way back. The sun was worshipped in most cultures and was a symbol for good things...therefor light was something good. Darkness meant most of the time death because it didn't help cultures to survive. It doesn't help that people living in darkness are more affected by bad emotions and stuff.
And the tetra zelda stuff is pretty basic. Royalty is white in asian countries. It dates back to the social structure that royalty doesn't work in the fields and therefor has no tan. People shielded themself from sunlight to keep their light skin.
Who said they can't be? It's more of Nintendo being resistant to change the look of Zelda and Link aside from clothing and hair style changes
I think Japanese games and anime have a significant amount of racism in them. Tons of white washing. Also, from my experience white washing has been accepted in many parts of Asia in general. You should Google fair and lovely skin bleacher. It's extremely popular in south and south East Asia. It's fucked up.
But those sombreros also exists in other cultures/countries. The sombrero worn by Mario is inequivocally Mexican.I don't, that stupid sobrero only represents the southweast of Mexico, mainly Jalisco, this is the sombrero i wanted to be in game
Or this
Theres so much mexican culture out there, if you want to represent México with a hat at least do it with a hat that half the population uses.
This. I've seen this phenomenon one too many times that it's difficult for me to not raise an eyebrow at this thread.
Darth Vader is this big bad black man, until he's redeemed and takes the helmet off to reveal an old wrinkly white guy.
According to OP's logic Darth Vader is problematic because he wears black armor. Shit is ridiculous tbh.
Those are cowboy hats though, it would look out of place on TostarenaI don't, that stupid sobrero only represents the southweast of Mexico, mainly Jalisco, this is the sombrero i wanted to be in game
Or this
Theres so much mexican culture out there, if you want to represent México with a hat at least do it with a hat that half the population uses.
Dark skin as evil is obviously not a good trope and Nintendo shouldn't really continue it at all...
But Nintendo's biggest problem racially I think is still not making playable characters who are black or brown.
But Nintendo's biggest problem racially I think is still not making playable characters who are black or brown.
I think skin tones have just no meaning in Zelda games so they are all over the place. In some of your examples you are reaching to guess a skin tone in some its just different lightning that chances the tone.
The Dark Pit/Link example must be a joke, yes night black stands for evil, but that has nothing to do with skin tones, but with the dark night that people fear.
Mexican hat is racist? What is this nonsense?
Honestly with such threads you are not helping anyone just fuel the fire. People who are really doing something against real racism get backslash because of hilarious threads like this... I hope this is not your real intention.
The Dark Pit/Link example must be a joke, yes night black stands for evil, but that has nothing to do with skin tones, but with the dark night that people fear.
Mexican hat is racist? What is this nonsense?
Honestly with such threads you are not helping anyone just fuel the fire. People who are really doing something against real racism get backslash because of hilarious threads like this... I hope this is not your real intention.
I mean, if you really want to talk about Nintendo fucking up representation:
She was never 'black' to begin with. The game made it very clear that she was an alien early on.
I can see some of the sides of the Tetra thing, but yeah, OPs Dark Link point is a laughably stupid given the context the games give.
My only problem with this was Nintendo opting to remove Sombrero Mario from the box art prior to release because "woke" Americans thought it was offensive. That shit hurt!
Like a previous user here said: we sell sombreros and ponchos to tourists here like nobody's business. Having Mario buy one in a Mexico inspired world is not only adorable but authentic!
Yep. Mexican here and I fail to see how Mario in a sombrero is racist. That outcry was dumb as fuck.
Tac spirit fight was removed? I fail to see how that one was racist.
Because everyone is using the other one and also the cowboy hay isnt considered mexican
I'm reluctant to wade into this but I think it's fair to say how Japanese artists depict skin tones - and their motives for picking one shade over another - isn't so simple or straightforward. I was reminded of this piece of official Street Fighter Alpha art, where in Ryu's case darker just seems to signify older.
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