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CNN: Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, Bernie denies(Update: NYT & Buzzfeed Confirming)
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1. You were definitely insulting me, or at least my arguments. I'm not bothered by it. I'm trying to explain to you that you haven't earned the right to call me sensationalist or ignorant, because your own arguments are poor and largely off topic to what I was responding to. My point is that your bluster is largely sound and fury, aimed at the wrong person.
2. Everything else you said is not relevant to my point. You want to have this debate, but you need to find someone who is actually having it. I am not and never was.
Not surprising at all when you realize how loaded a huge part of this forum is.
We're not talking about Trumpsim levels of "anything i dont like is fake news". We're talking about acknowledging the reality that corporate media has a clear elitist bias and will sensationalize and prioritize clicks and narratives for their chosen end, which is usually something to do with profit or their own elite club.
Your right, i'm sorry. Steinem also said that young women who supported Bernie only did so to get men....she isnt one i should be quoting.
But "proof" is nebulous...i could point out his entire professional career of activism and congressional views and statements, but would that really change the mind of someone who is convinced he hates civil rights or is apathetic to them, the guy who quotes MLK's intersectional bonafides literally every second and worships the ground eugene debbs walks on
This shit should be threadmarked given massive amounts of posts saying that the story is fake.
Who's acting like he's a white John Lewis? No one. He doesn't need to be John Lewis to not look down on social justice or identity politics, which he obviously doesn't.
It's not desperation to point out how what you're saying is nonsense.
no one is questioning that two Warren staffers accused Bernie of saying that "a woman could never be president"
Even in this NYT story, they've softened the language considerably. It's really impressive ratfucking technique
pretty much. The only thing i can think of that he hasnt addressed in the white institution is the concept of cash payments a month
You didn't have any arguments to insult. You literally said it "doesn't really matter" to you that CNN would put out a headline like this, despite it being a major issue in mainstream media as a whole. If it benefits whoever you support though, I suppose it's worth it, or something.
Regardless, we need to wait until we hear an official statement from Warren. No point in talking circles without some actual evidence or at least a statement.
I understand not all of those policies solve the issues that African Americans face, but how would any of those not be significant improvements for African Americans? Medicare for All, Free Public Tuition, and increased wages all stand to significantly help out African American communities by giving them more access to capital that they can utilize in their day to day lives. Making the system work for everyone regardless of career, race, gender, etc. will stand to benefit them since minorities have typically been more disenfranchised by traditional conservative (and blatantly racist) policies or just straight denied access to certain institutions in the US.
I mean, yes, it's not directly addressing additional things that would need to be addressed, but healthcare, education, and wages across the board stand to at least start making a sizable dent in the current status quo, right?
The thread is less the story is fake and more that it's probably out of context ir misconstrued
I'm pretty strongly anti-Bernie and probably leaning Warren, but I don't really believe this. I'm going to need to see some kind of real confirmation.
That's pretty much impossible to get isnt it? Which might be the point of "well such and such said that he said that women cant be president so"
Even though we literally have him on record saying and advocating the opposite
Castro was the best at this out of the primary candidates. Warren wasn't that far off, and now they work together.
So, the NYT is confirming the CNN story and Warren's campaign still declining to comment.
I think Warren is eventually going to have to confirm or deny this story from her perspective.
Interesting. Buzzfeed says Warren was the direct source.
is it weird that buzzfeed seems the most reputable out of the three reporting so far (cnn, nyt, buzzfeed)?
The dark cloud of sexism has been lurking over the bernie campaign since long before last election. This is now new. Hell, it was a talking point of his supporters. That bernie would be able to take votes from trump that hilary (who they added was basically a republican) would somehow not.
This is not new. Every few months some problematic shit comes from the sanders campaign. It was how long ago they had to retract their endorsement of a genocide denier?
No one is saying Bernie said that a woman could never win the presidency. The alleged statement was limited to running against Trump, whatever it was.
How is that not throwing shade? The news cycle is eating it up and it hurts his campaign. Her staffers were the sources; I would support any comment even if it was to confirm the story.
If she doesn't respond prior to the debate, Bernie could, and should, eviscerate her on stage.
Yeah, if not this will definitely get asked at the debate tomorrow.
why does every goddamn thing have to have cartoon villain intent with you people? maybe they're declining to comment while they try to figure out what the hell can be confirmed of this
This seems no different than the CNN and NYT's pieces? Warren told staffers about the meeting, they then told their version to the media.
Buzzfeed trying to paint this story as coming directly from Warren is disingenuous.
It's the only move left, get her to confirm or deny. Context matters and if she truly believes Bernie didn't think a woman can win then I'd like to hear that from her.
I think Bernie's phrasing is probably what was said: that Trump would do whatever ugly means to win.
However it's not far off, and many on here have said the same, for him to say it would be more effective on a woman candidate, making the race harder for them.
As for the above being twisted to women can't be president? Again, people on here have said it casually. I doubt Bernie went that far.
However it's not far off, and many on here have said the same, for him to say it would be more effective on a woman candidate, making the race harder for them.
As for the above being twisted to women can't be president? Again, people on here have said it casually. I doubt Bernie went that far.
But that's not how the internet works, I'm outraged now and everyone must know!
Welp this is how they win. Divide and conquer
Warren and Bernie should just meet face to face and hash this shit out
But i have a sneaking suspicious that the emotional bases in each camp are now hardwired to fight each other.
We keep this shit up and we get another 4 years of trump
Warren and Bernie should just meet face to face and hash this shit out
But i have a sneaking suspicious that the emotional bases in each camp are now hardwired to fight each other.
We keep this shit up and we get another 4 years of trump
Wow this is misleading as hell. Nowhere does the article say Warren spoke to buzzfeed directly.
No they didn't
Read the article it's still the anonymous staffers recalling what Warren said
And buzzfeed should have mentions the memo thing was denounced by Bernie campaign and Bernie himself
I'm very ready. I hope Warren's campaign and surrogates turn "my mentions!!" Into an actual campaign issue. I cannot wait
Competition is competition, but ratfucking is something else.
This guy supported trans people in the 80's when you couldn't depend on most elected Democrats to support gay marriage in ten years ago. It's so deeply cynical to parrot this idea that it's "expected" that he's bad on social justice. He's one of the few people in his entire profession that has been unflappably dedicated to social justice in all forms since before 30 minutes ago.
I was there in 2008, I've been ready since time immemorial
Weren't around for 08 were you?
I guess it makes sense, so many people on ERA don't really care about politics and ignore everything till like 2012 started or something.
To be clear, neither the article or the tweet or my post is claiming this. Buzzfeed has sources who say they heard the story of this meeting directly from Warren in the weeks after it happened. This is relevant in the sense that Bernie's response accused staffers who hadn't been there of making it up.
Only read the first 10 replies or so, but half of them are proof of how the cult of Trump and the cult of Bernie are two sides of the same coin. Literally the same "the establishment is trying to hold Bernie down!11!" drivel that Trump idiots screamed in 2016.
A Bernie/Trump election would be absolutely insufferable.
A Bernie/Trump election would be absolutely insufferable.
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