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boxter432

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,375
maybe they can count them in reverse so Joe has a huge lead and can tweet STOP THE RECOUNT, then it will get closer and closer, and his relatives can tweet shit like "notice how they keep finding trump ballots when they get to the rural counties? seems odd!! just sayin!" then it will end with a change of like 200 votes and we can be done
 

foxuzamaki

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,596
Even the counting of those few counties in 2000 went on so long that the state was starting to run out of time because of Republican delay tactics and eventually the Supreme Court decided to stop it and Gore conceded.

I think the strategy here is to cause delay and continuously contest the result so that the state will not be able to certify the result in time.
There's no strategy here because GA goes auto-recount if the opponents are close enough, this is normal
 

greepoman

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,967
It felt like it took 5 centuries just for the mail-in ballots to be counted. And now they have to hand count ALL of them by next Friday? How is that going to be possible?
I believe the reason why the last ballots take so long is that they're the ones that are questionable/need to be cured, etc and take actual scrutiny by humans instead of just going into the machine. Once it's resolved it'll be processed as fast as a normal ballot the next time through. Also what I saw is a "selected" hand recount so they'll just do a sample and double check while the full machine recount goes through.
 

tobascodagama

Member
Aug 21, 2020
1,358
It felt like it took 5 centuries just for the mail-in ballots to be counted. And now they have to hand count ALL of them by next Friday? How is that going to be possible?

As stated up-thread, they already have all the ballots and have already tossed out the spoiled ones and verified the provisionals, etc., etc. That's the stuff that really takes a long time. Right now, all they have to do is count.

It's going to be hilarious if the recount finishes and Biden actually gains like 150 votes or something.
 
Oct 25, 2017
19,214
I believe the reason why the last ballots take so long is that they're the ones that are questionable/need to be cured, etc and take actual scrutiny by humans instead of just going into the machine. Once it's resolved it'll be processed as fast as a normal ballot the next time through. Also what I saw is a "selected" hand recount so they'll just do a sample and double check while the full machine recount goes through.
As stated up-thread, they already have all the ballots and have already tossed out the spoiled ones and verified the provisionals, etc., etc. That's the stuff that really takes a long time. Right now, all they have to do is count.

It's going to be hilarious if the recount finishes and Biden actually gains like 150 votes or something.
Ah, fantastic then. Thanks for the info.
 

TheAbsolution

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,392
Atlanta, GA
Recounts rarely change more than a couple hundred votes at max.
Additionally, contrary to popular belief our Republican SoS is actually a competent person unlike Kemp was so I expect this to go smoothly. No worries from me on this one.
 

T0M

Alt-Account
Banned
Aug 13, 2019
900
Reminder:

- This has nothing to do with Trump trying to dispute the election

- This is a ploy to keep *the base* riled up until the Senate runoffs

- Aka it's a long term play to hamstring a Biden administration so Mitch can keep control of the Senate

- Republican leaders are going to completely drop Trump off the map the second the runoffs are over

- It's quite literally the new "immigrant caravan"

- If you live in Georgia, register to vote
 

Volimar

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,840
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deimosmasque

Ugly, Queer, Gender-Fluid, Drive-In Mutant, yes?
Moderator
Apr 22, 2018
14,288
Tampa, Fl
Yeah for those that don't know this recount was state law due to how tight it was (less than 0.5%) and has fuck all to do with Trump or the show of the "concerned" GA republican legislators.
No it does not.

georgia.gov

Election Recount Rules in Georgia

State law does not require an automatic recount of votes. However, a candidate can request a recount if the difference between the number of votes is not more than 1%. That request has to be made within two business days of the results being certified. Other common situations where a recount may...
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Other states due but Georgia is not one of them.
 

III-V

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,827
No it does not.

georgia.gov

Election Recount Rules in Georgia

State law does not require an automatic recount of votes. However, a candidate can request a recount if the difference between the number of votes is not more than 1%. That request has to be made within two business days of the results being certified. Other common situations where a recount may...
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Other states due but Georgia is not one of them.

It is auto-recount, unless I misunderstand your meaning.

Recount laws in Georgia

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

  • Can a recount be requested?
    • Yes. Election officials, including the secretary of state, may request recounts under certain circumstances explained below. These recounts may be conducted before the certification of election results. A losing candidate may also request a recount if the margin is less than or equal to 0.5%. This threshold was set in 2019 following the passage of H.B. 319. Georgia's official website describing its recount rules contains outdated information. There are no set deadlines for the completion of a candidate-requested recount.
 

deimosmasque

Ugly, Queer, Gender-Fluid, Drive-In Mutant, yes?
Moderator
Apr 22, 2018
14,288
Tampa, Fl
It is auto-recount, unless I misunderstand your meaning.

Recount laws in Georgia

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
Georgia law doesn't require a recount if the final results are 0.5% or under. It can be requested if it's that close.

This is different from, for example Florida, which requires are recount if the finally results are 0.5%.

There was always going to be a recount in Georgia but that is because of how close it was there was no way that either side wouldn't request one.

And as shown up thread. This is technically not a recount, as Georgia recounts are done by scanners not hand counts.

This is an risk limiting audit that they decided to recount everything rather than a certain percentage like normal.

It still functions as a recount because of how the audit is being done, but it technically was not.
 

III-V

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,827
Georgia law doesn't require a recount if the final results are 0.5% or under. It can be requested if it's that close.

This is different from, for example Florida, which requires are recount if the finally results are 0.5%.

There was always going to be a recount in Georgia but that is because of how close it was there was no way that either side wouldn't request one.

And as shown up thread. This is technically not a recount, as Georgia recounts are done by scanners not hand counts.

This is an risk limiting audit that they decided to recount everything rather than a certain percentage like normal.

It still functions as a recount because of how the audit is being done, but it technically was not.
Ok I see the distinction here thanks.
 

tadale

Member
Oct 25, 2017
692
Atlanta
I'm in Georgia - very proud to have voted for Biden.

I also fully support the recount as long as it puts the matter to rest. Biden will win at 14,000+.
 

Greg NYC3

Member
Oct 26, 2017
12,526
Miami
Georgia law doesn't require a recount if the final results are 0.5% or under. It can be requested if it's that close.

This is different from, for example Florida, which requires are recount if the finally results are 0.5%.

There was always going to be a recount in Georgia but that is because of how close it was there was no way that either side wouldn't request one.

And as shown up thread. This is technically not a recount, as Georgia recounts are done by scanners not hand counts.

This is an risk limiting audit that they decided to recount everything rather than a certain percentage like normal.

It still functions as a recount because of how the audit is being done, but it technically was not.
It's actually not clear (maybe the SoS will clear it up) that they intend to hand count 100% of the ballots. What they determined was that collecting a sample of ballots was going to be a waste of time/effort but since the goal here is to audit the ballot counting system unless major discrepancies are discovered early on there may be a threshold where the SoS feels satisfied that a large enough number of ballots were checked to end the audit.
 

Starmud

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,447
The republicans are doing everything possible to keep the base motivated in Georgia for the run offs. A hand count just invites more coverage and bullshit.
 

Bengraven

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Oct 26, 2017
26,974
Florida
I'm sure there will but not enough to change the outcome and not all Dem ballots. The process isn't controlled by the GOP, every contested ballot is reviewed by a group made up of members of each party.

I just have a feeling the right are the kind of people to throw out Dem ballots, while the left will not throw out any. I don't know, I'm being pessimistic maybe but this is some supreme fuckery since day 1.
 

Greg NYC3

Member
Oct 26, 2017
12,526
Miami
I just have a feeling the right are the kind of people to throw out Dem ballots, while the left will not throw out any. I don't know, I'm being pessimistic maybe but this is some supreme fuckery since day 1.
The way it works is the ballot can't be tossed unless reps from both review it and they can't just get tossed arbitrarily.

Since that process already took place during the initial count there should be even less reason to throw out ballots now.
 

Krakatoa

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,099
Why would you even say something this insensitive?

I'm a voter in Georgia (voted Democrat down the line) and you can be damn sure that this matters to us. We didn't bust our asses to turn this state blue for nothing.
Sorry that did come across as insensitive. I am proud for everyone that voted and I happy to see the state flip. I'm just annoyed with Trumps shit. So it was more of a go ahead ass hole your still leaving in Jan.
 

Merv

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,469
Sorry if this has been discussed 1million times, but what can possible be found in the recount? Presumably counterfeit ballots are next to impossible. The state knows what ballots it sent to who and the ballot is verified and a machine counts it. So, the only real possibility is that they throw out ballots for issues with markings or signatures? Not like they are going to call everyone and make sure they filled out the ballot.
 

Soda

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,926
Dunedin, New Zealand
Sorry if this has been discussed 1million times, but what can possible be found in the recount? Presumably counterfeit ballots are next to impossible. The state knows what ballots it sent to who and the ballot is verified and a machine counts it. So, the only real possibility is that they throw out ballots for issues with markings or signatures? Not like they are going to call everyone and make sure they filled out the ballot.

Ballots get mis-counted sometimes by machines. We're talking maybe a few hundred per state.
 

Soda

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,926
Dunedin, New Zealand
So, like everything else, it's a dumb waste of time.

Well, yeah. There is no precedent to suggest that anything would be found that will change the result of the Presidential election in Georgia. Maybe there were some super close down ballot races (think local town votes rather than even something state level) that could flip with a 10-100 vote change, and if that's true it'd be good to recount, but I'm throwing out pure conjecture on that.

Strong odds that absolutely nothing changes.
 
Oct 27, 2017
42,808
I just have a feeling the right are the kind of people to throw out Dem ballots, while the left will not throw out any. I don't know, I'm being pessimistic maybe but this is some supreme fuckery since day 1.
Yes, because there'd be nothing suspicious about there being significantly less ballots than the first count. I can't wait for all this election stuff to be over and for all the doomposting and pessimism to be done with
 

tobascodagama

Member
Aug 21, 2020
1,358
Ballots get mis-counted sometimes by machines. We're talking maybe a few hundred per state.

Yes, exactly. Sample-based auditing is useful to verify that there weren't any large, systematic errors, which is why it's done and why an audit was already planned even before the Manchild-in-Chief decided to throw a little denial party on Twitter. It would be really unusual for result-changing errors to occur, but errors do happen and so it's important to verify the results.

This is one of the things that makes the Republican claims of fraud so infuriating. They just throw shit out like, "Oh, wow, what if someone tried to vote with a dead person's ballot?" not realising that obviously the people in charge of elections already thought of that, thanks, and have a system in place to deal with it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,200
Anyone else so fucking frustrated with it you wanna be like "fuck it, here trump, you win Ga. Feel better? Biden still wins the election but since you want to be so fucking sore over shit that doesn't matter, you win GA."
An audit reversing the count would be devastating.

That said, realistically, the margin of error doesn't come close to changing the result. Biden won Georgia. Unless there was actual election fraud, of which there is no actual evidence so far.
 

KBadOne

Member
Oct 28, 2017
726
My PS5 from Amazon already in my city Raleigh since 6:30pm. I hope the delivery is tomorrow early before 3pm!
 

AniHawk

No Fear, Only Math
Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,190
Or throw some in....this is not gonna be pretty.

there will be observers from both parties present. at most in a georgia recount, the result ever changed by 0.1%. biden leads by more than 0.28%. he's winning the state unless there was some kind of until-now never-before-seen machine error (which an audit, which was supposed to happen, is supposed to catch anyway).
 

floridaguy954

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,631
Sorry that did come across as insensitive. I am proud for everyone that voted and I happy to see the state flip. I'm just annoyed with Trumps shit. So it was more of a go ahead ass hole your still leaving in Jan.
Thanks.

It's just that I've also been seeing similar things being said on Reddit about 'Biden doesn't need GA anyways' it bothered me, especially after seeing Abrams' efforts to sign up so many people in Georgia to vote.
 

ZeroMaverick

Member
Mar 5, 2018
4,442
This recount will be a machine recount, which is less rigorous and less scrutinized than a hand recount. It's such a pointless time sink.