Propaganda. I was born in USSR.
Constant deficit - clothing, quality food, etc.
Also, the most important thing - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-27193607
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Are we just literally making up McCarthyist propaganda now? Do you actually bother to solicit viewpoints from that region or do you just watch Dr. Strangelove on repeat?
I'm not trying to suggest the Soviet bloc was a paradise, but the neoliberalization of Eastern Europe/Russia has only been a net good for the oligarch class. The middle class has had mixed results, suffered severe urban decay, and nostalgia is at all time highs throughout the region.
They're exercising their agency. People here just dislike confronting the simple fact that social repression is also agency. They choose to do repression because they believe the socio-economic outcomes are worth the costs. The use of cost-benefit analyses to guide policy is "agency" in the economic sense.
"Agency" is not "we'll meekly follow the ethical standards set by foreign rivals even if they are economically inferior for us" but is actually "fuck all of y'all we're doing it live".
It seems to me people dislike it when China deviates from Western mores, which is understandable, but do you guys really think imposing your ethical standards on 1.4 billion people is respecting their "agency"? This is a joke, right? If you believe richer "enlightened" nations should dictate/determine the behavior of poorer "backwards" nations, at least have the honesty to be up front about it instead of calling it "agency".
Imperialists, imperialists, imperialists, none of you are free from imperialism.
I had a family that didn't keep speaking in Spanish at home when we moved to the US because "We want our kids to grow up as Americans". I ended up having to polish up my Spanish through US courses, so I don't speak it like my father, I speak it like an American. They ended up really regretting it afterwords, but I can't really blame them when they were trying to do what was best for me and my siblings. It's hard keeping a foot in multiple cultures, especially when it comes to what is "useful".This is very unfortunate. I think keeping these numerous languages alive is pretty important to our cultural diversity. What they should have done is to provide these languages as an additional subject in school. I really dislike what Xi is doing to China. I've been to JiuZhaiGou and interacted with the people there. There's real value in maintaining these cultures. China would lose a lot if the cultures are diluted or assimilated.
As a Chinese, unfortunately, I think this is happening more and more in most societies even without governments such as the CCP doing such things. Most of the Chinese friends I know speak multiple languages (English, Mandarin but not their "dialect") and it's already challenging enough to be proficient in more than one language. I can speak bits of Cantonese since I liked HK cinema but I'm not from Guangdong or something. Lol. Can't speak my "dialect" at all. I think given a choice, most parents would probably choose that their kids be able to speak languages such as English and Mandarin rather than their own "dialects". I think modernization and globalization really starts to dilute a lot of our cultural diversity.
Are we just literally making up McCarthyist propaganda now? Do you actually bother to solicit viewpoints from that region or do you just watch Dr. Strangelove on repeat?
I'm not trying to suggest the Soviet bloc was a paradise, but the neoliberalization of Eastern Europe/Russia has only been a net good for the oligarch class. The middle class has had mixed results, suffered severe urban decay, and nostalgia is at all time highs throughout the region.
They're exercising their agency. People here just dislike confronting the simple fact that social repression is also agency. They choose to do repression because they believe the socio-economic outcomes are worth the costs. The use of cost-benefit analyses to guide policy is "agency" in the economic sense.
"Agency" is not "we'll meekly follow the ethical standards set by foreign rivals even if they are economically inferior for us" but is actually "fuck all of y'all we're doing it live".
It seems to me people dislike it when China deviates from Western mores, which is understandable, but do you guys really think imposing your ethical standards on 1.4 billion people is respecting their "agency"? This is a joke, right? If you believe richer "enlightened" nations should dictate/determine the behavior of poorer "backwards" nations, at least have the honesty to be up front about it instead of calling it "agency".
Imperialists, imperialists, imperialists, none of you are free from imperialism.
They're exercising their agency. People here just dislike confronting the simple fact that social repression is also agency. They choose to do repression because they believe the socio-economic outcomes are worth the costs. The use of cost-benefit analyses to guide policy is "agency" in the economic sense.
"Agency" is not "we'll meekly follow the ethical standards set by foreign rivals even if they are economically inferior for us" but is actually "fuck all of y'all we're doing it live".
It seems to me people dislike it when China deviates from Western mores, which is understandable, but do you guys really think imposing your ethical standards on 1.4 billion people is respecting their "agency"? This is a joke, right? If you believe richer "enlightened" nations should dictate/determine the behavior of poorer "backwards" nations, at least have the honesty to be up front about it instead of calling it "agency".
Imperialists, imperialists, imperialists, none of you are free from imperialism.
I wouldn't measure this by language. It's an essential human tool for coming together, as long as we settle on one, like on this site. Any system without a common language would be much more unkind to cultural diversity.I completely agree that even without explicit policies, the modern world is a system that is unkind to cultural diversity.
This is a more refined way of saying "This is America, speak English!"I wouldn't measure this by language. It's an essential human tool for coming together, as long as we settle on one, like on this site. Any system without a common language would be much more unkind to cultural diversity.
Are we just literally making up McCarthyist propaganda now? Do you actually bother to solicit viewpoints from that region or do you just watch Dr. Strangelove on repeat?
I'm not trying to suggest the Soviet bloc was a paradise, but the neoliberalization of Eastern Europe/Russia has only been a net good for the oligarch class. The middle class has had mixed results, suffered severe urban decay, and nostalgia is at all time highs throughout the region.
They're exercising their agency. People here just dislike confronting the simple fact that social repression is also agency. They choose to do repression because they believe the socio-economic outcomes are worth the costs. The use of cost-benefit analyses to guide policy is "agency" in the economic sense.
"Agency" is not "we'll meekly follow the ethical standards set by foreign rivals even if they are economically inferior for us" but is actually "fuck all of y'all we're doing it live".
It seems to me people dislike it when China deviates from Western mores, which is understandable, but do you guys really think imposing your ethical standards on 1.4 billion people is respecting their "agency"? This is a joke, right? If you believe richer "enlightened" nations should dictate/determine the behavior of poorer "backwards" nations, at least have the honesty to be up front about it instead of calling it "agency".
Imperialists, imperialists, imperialists, none of you are free from imperialism.
No, it's not.This is a more refined way of saying "This is America, speak English!"
Yeah. A lot of times it's really about choosing what is deemed as more "useful". And this is just the language side of things. Culturally, it's even more dire. With how much foreign media we are constantly bombarded with, most kids are no longer interested in their tradition. I myself included. I probably know more about Marvel stuff than my traditions or something. That's why all these racial divides are so infuriating. We're actually more alike in many ways than ever before.I had a family that didn't keep speaking in Spanish at home when we moved to the US because "We want our kids to grow up as Americans". I ended up having to polish up my Spanish through US courses, so I don't speak it like my father, I speak it like an American. They ended up really regretting it afterwords, but I can't really blame them when they were trying to do what was best for me and my siblings. It's hard keeping a foot in multiple cultures, especially when it comes to what is "useful".
I completely agree that even without explicit policies, the modern world is a system that is unkind to cultural diversity.
Are we just literally making up McCarthyist propaganda now? Do you actually bother to solicit viewpoints from that region or do you just watch Dr. Strangelove on repeat?
I'm not trying to suggest the Soviet bloc was a paradise, but the neoliberalization of Eastern Europe/Russia has only been a net good for the oligarch class. The middle class has had mixed results, suffered severe urban decay, and nostalgia is at all time highs throughout the region.
They're exercising their agency. People here just dislike confronting the simple fact that social repression is also agency. They choose to do repression because they believe the socio-economic outcomes are worth the costs. The use of cost-benefit analyses to guide policy is "agency" in the economic sense.
"Agency" is not "we'll meekly follow the ethical standards set by foreign rivals even if they are economically inferior for us" but is actually "fuck all of y'all we're doing it live".
It seems to me people dislike it when China deviates from Western mores, which is understandable, but do you guys really think imposing your ethical standards on 1.4 billion people is respecting their "agency"? This is a joke, right? If you believe richer "enlightened" nations should dictate/determine the behavior of poorer "backwards" nations, at least have the honesty to be up front about it instead of calling it "agency".
Imperialists, imperialists, imperialists, none of you are free from imperialism.
...I don't think you actually know what the Chinese government's position is: Mandarin is standard Chinese and not confined to a specific region. Cantonese is the Guangdong regional Chinese and largely confined to Guangdong. Shanghainese is the Shanghai regional Chinese and largely confined to Shanghai. And so on.
You do realize that principle is true for ALL languages right? No one is going to claim Italian is a "prestige dialect", hence the same is true for Cantonese in this instance. Hence Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese,.. = Chinese languages. No one outside of CCP influence is going to go describe any of the languages of the Germanic languages group as "languages" but suddenly, with the same linguistic principles, magically degrade the Sinitic group with only calling these dialects. I've got a Master degree in Oriental Linguistics and studied over two years in Guangzhou. Nowhere outside of China were languages like Cantonese EVER degraded as a "dialect", or classified differently when compared to the other language families. One of my professors in Guangzhou even explicitly told me he was not allowed to call Cantonese a language.You seem to think referring to Mandarin and Cantonese both as dialects is some sort of gotcha, but that is the actual linguistic position--the standard variety is the prestige dialect, distinct from regional dialects. It is also why linguists have largely abandoned the dialect-language distinction in favor of dialect continua and variety.
Trust me I'm very very aware on what the Chinese government's position. I hope you realize as anything the CCP states differs highly from policies on the ground. As a famous example the Chinese constitution itself stipulates democracy and freedom of speech for example, where of course there is none for the Chinese citizen. Even binding international treaties like the 1 Country 2 Systems Hong Kong agreement were basically teared up over the past decade.
As just an example of the CCP attitude towards any language different to theirs:
China Is Forcing Its Biggest Cantonese-Speaking Region To Speak Mandarin
The common language in Guangdong is Cantonese, but that may soon change.www.businessinsider.com
Not true as the government forcibly forbid the use of Cantonese on television as one of many examples:No force is needed when the biggest cities in Guangdong are mostly migrants that don't speak cantonese.
You are, are you? Then why do you post a link that states China is forcing a broadcast station to use Mandarin as if it is inconsistent with the official policy? Here is the official policy: http://www.linxiang.gov.cn/24733/24760/24821/24986/24988/content_1573492.html Mandarin is the common variety and to be promoted. It is to be the variety of broadcast.Trust me I'm very very aware on what the Chinese government's position. I hope you realize as anything the CCP states differs highly from policies on the ground. As a famous example the Chinese constitution itself stipulates democracy and freedom of speech for example, where of course there is none for the Chinese citizen. Even binding international treaties like the 1 Country 2 Systems Hong Kong agreement were basically teared up over the past decade.
As just an example of the CCP attitude towards any language different to theirs:
China Is Forcing Its Biggest Cantonese-Speaking Region To Speak Mandarin
The common language in Guangdong is Cantonese, but that may soon change.www.businessinsider.com
You keep referring to Europe. Let us look at how Europe classifies languages vs dialects, then. It happens that Europe has a European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Let us see how the charter differentiates between dialects and languages.You do realize that principle is true for ALL languages right? No one is going to claim Italian is a "prestige dialect", hence the same is true for Cantonese in this instance. Hence Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese,.. = Chinese languages. No one outside of CCP influence is going to go describe any of the languages of the Germanic languages group as "languages" but suddenly, with the same linguistic principles, magically degrade the Sinitic group with only calling these dialects. I've got a Master degree in Oriental Linguistics and studied over two years in Guangzhou. Nowhere outside of China were languages like Cantonese EVER degraded as a "dialect", or classified differently when compared to the other language families. One of my professors in Guangzhou even explicitly told me he was not allowed to call Cantonese a language.
The nation state defines what is a language and what is a dialect through its democratic process. For example, some linguists refer to Bavarian as a Germanic language, but Germany does not recognize it as a regional language. If China does not get to define what is a regional language and what is a dialect, it would be because it is not a democracy, not because there is some linguistic rule that says otherwise. But that still does not escape the fact that the dialect-language distinction is political, not linguistic.The charter does not concern local variants or different dialects of one and the same language. However, it does not pronounce on the often disputed question of the point at which different forms of expression constitute separate languages. This question depends not only on strictly linguistic considerations, but also on psycho-sociological and political phenomena which may produce a different answer in each case. Accordingly, it will be left to the authorities concerned within each State, in accordance with its own democratic processes, to determine at what point a form of expression constitutes a separate language.
I seriously cannot believe you just Shen Yun'd me.5000 years of culture, from all the fringes of the country made us who we are.
Yes.Do you honestly believe that the people of China would be okay with the state harming their neighbours? Their kin? That the state propaganda has pulled the wool over the peoples' eyes in a concerted effort to get them to accept their policies doesn't mean we should be okay with it.
You are, are you? Then why do you post a link that states China is forcing a broadcast station to use Mandarin as if it is inconsistent with the official policy? Here is the official policy: http://www.linxiang.gov.cn/24733/24760/24821/24986/24988/content_1573492.html Mandarin is the common variety and to be promoted. It is to be the variety of broadcast.
Who said anything about treating all varieties of a dialect continuum equally? Do Americans and British treat all varieties of English equally? It seems obvious that the prestige variety receives far more importance than any other variety. It is the prestige variety, after all.
It is linguistic because one can scientifically place language in families of groupings. But hey don't take it from me here is a great thread from renowned linguist in the Sinitic Languages, professor Zev Handel, an authority in his field. He has some great literature out on the subject as well:You keep referring to Europe. Let us look at how Europe classifies languages vs dialects, then. It happens that Europe has a European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Let us see how the charter differentiates between dialects and languages.
The nation state defines what is a language and what is a dialect through its democratic process. For example, some linguists refer to Bavarian as a Germanic language, but Germany does not recognize it as a regional language. If China does not get to define what is a regional language and what is a dialect, it would be because it is not a democracy, not because there is some linguistic rule that says otherwise. But that still does not escape the fact that the dialect-language distinction is political, not linguistic.
I seriously cannot believe you just Shen Yun'd me.
Yes.
Chinese people aren't naturally saints, and it is ridiculous to pretend that their ancient cultural solidarity is being repressed by the CPC. Let's set aside the simple fact that oppression of ethnic minorities is common in all cultures (American indians, inuits, ainu, sami, jews and so on), China literally fought a civil war in living memory! You brought up "5000 years" did you forgot how many of those years were spent killing each other? Spoiler, roughly 4000 of them.
You make the common mistake of thinking "agency" is universally good. I'm telling you now that it is not. Agency is a double edged sword. When a Taliban extremist beheads a woman, that is Arab agency. When Bolsonaro's government razes the Amazon, that is Brazilian agency. When Hindutvas repress subcontinent Muslims, that is Indian agency. Human agency carries the potential to deny others their individual agency, always have. There has not been a single moment in human history where this was not true. What people here really want is not agency. What they want is "you're free to do whatever you want, provided it is from the choices I outlined for you".
That is not "agency". We have a bunch of words for that, though. Paternalism, elitism, enlightened despotism, white savior, etc. Take your pick, but if you're going to use "agency" you should have the honesty to recognize the implicit downside.
Caveat emptor: I am Chinese and have lived in China a few years; there are good sides and bad sides to the people, the culture, and the government. The last time I visited was 2017. It is possible China has degenerated to 1984 in the last 4 years, but I doubt it, as I still regularly send my relatives holiday greetings. Mostly, they are just worried about COVID. If they care about the Uyghur situation, they never brought it up to me. CPC repression? Possible, but seeing enlightened liberals shrug at the border crisis instead of literally storming the chain link fences, why should I hold my relatives to a higher standard than my so-called "countrymen"? No one cares, no one actually cares enough to do anything. Posting "how awful" on the internet is worthless. Put up or shut up.
Let me repeat, if an American is posting here about "tankies" covering up Uyghur repression instead of plotting to storm the border to free the "kids in cages", their opinion is worth less than shit to me. It is actually more vile than just not posting at all, because people using ethcs as a conversational cudgel without backing it up with praxis just degrades both ethics and praxis.
So you sending a few messages on I assume WeChat is evidence the CCP isn't a dystopian authoritarian regime? If you don't see the irony of that then I don't know what to tell you.The last time I visited was 2017. It is possible China has degenerated to 1984 in the last 4 years, but I doubt it, as I still regularly send my relatives holiday greetings. Mostly, they are just worried about COVID. If they care about the Uyghur situation, they never brought it up to me. CPC repression? Possible.
No one cares, no one actually cares enough to do anything. Posting "how awful" on the internet is worthless. Put up or shut up.
Or you could hold Chinese and Western governments (and their supporters) to the same high standards and criticise them when they do (and support) terrible things? Is that so difficult?
And yes, if you are able to take action (protesting, 'storming the cages' etc), then you should. But not everyone is in the position to do so, so it's not a failure if you aren't able to.
But failing to speak up and criticise the failings of the government (and their supporters) IS wrong.
Or, you can do what you're suggesting and...do nothing unless you're prepared to take action.
Just do nothing.
Don't say anything.
Be a good, quiet citizen.
How pathetic.
The shit CCP does is horrible, but honestly shut up and be a good citizen is probably what you'd do if you actually live in China. Its pretty sad but it is what it is.
Are we just literally making up McCarthyist propaganda now? Do you actually bother to solicit viewpoints from that region or do you just watch Dr. Strangelove on repeat?
I'm not trying to suggest the Soviet bloc was a paradise, but the neoliberalization of Eastern Europe/Russia has only been a net good for the oligarch class. The middle class has had mixed results, suffered severe urban decay, and nostalgia is at all time highs throughout the region.
They're exercising their agency. People here just dislike confronting the simple fact that social repression is also agency. They choose to do repression because they believe the socio-economic outcomes are worth the costs. The use of cost-benefit analyses to guide policy is "agency" in the economic sense.
"Agency" is not "we'll meekly follow the ethical standards set by foreign rivals even if they are economically inferior for us" but is actually "fuck all of y'all we're doing it live".
It seems to me people dislike it when China deviates from Western mores, which is understandable, but do you guys really think imposing your ethical standards on 1.4 billion people is respecting their "agency"? This is a joke, right? If you believe richer "enlightened" nations should dictate/determine the behavior of poorer "backwards" nations, at least have the honesty to be up front about it instead of calling it "agency".
Imperialists, imperialists, imperialists, none of you are free from imperialism.
It is vile to you that people would call out genocide?I seriously cannot believe you just Shen Yun'd me.
Yes.
Chinese people aren't naturally saints, and it is ridiculous to pretend that their ancient cultural solidarity is being repressed by the CPC. Let's set aside the simple fact that oppression of ethnic minorities is common in all cultures (American indians, inuits, ainu, sami, jews and so on), China literally fought a civil war in living memory! You brought up "5000 years" did you forgot how many of those years were spent killing each other? Spoiler, roughly 4000 of them.
You make the common mistake of thinking "agency" is universally good. I'm telling you now that it is not. Agency is a double edged sword. When a Taliban extremist beheads a woman, that is Arab agency. When Bolsonaro's government razes the Amazon, that is Brazilian agency. When Hindutvas repress subcontinent Muslims, that is Indian agency. Human agency carries the potential to deny others their individual agency, always have. There has not been a single moment in human history where this was not true. What people here really want is not agency. What they want is "you're free to do whatever you want, provided it is from the choices I outlined for you".
That is not "agency". We have a bunch of words for that, though. Paternalism, elitism, enlightened despotism, white savior, etc. Take your pick, but if you're going to use "agency" you should have the honesty to recognize the implicit downside.
Caveat emptor: I am Chinese and have lived in China a few years; there are good sides and bad sides to the people, the culture, and the government. The last time I visited was 2017. It is possible China has degenerated to 1984 in the last 4 years, but I doubt it, as I still regularly send my relatives holiday greetings. Mostly, they are just worried about COVID. If they care about the Uyghur situation, they never brought it up to me. CPC repression? Possible, but seeing enlightened liberals shrug at the border crisis instead of literally storming the chain link fences, why should I hold my relatives to a higher standard than my so-called "countrymen"? No one cares, no one actually cares enough to do anything. Posting "how awful" on the internet is worthless. Put up or shut up.
Let me repeat, if an American is posting here about "tankies" covering up Uyghur repression instead of plotting to storm the border to free the "kids in cages", their opinion is worth less than shit to me. It is actually more vile than just not posting at all, because people using ethcs as a conversational cudgel without backing it up with praxis just degrades both ethics and praxis.
I seriously cannot believe you just Shen Yun'd me.
Yes.
Chinese people aren't naturally saints, and it is ridiculous to pretend that their ancient cultural solidarity is being repressed by the CPC. Let's set aside the simple fact that oppression of ethnic minorities is common in all cultures (American indians, inuits, ainu, sami, jews and so on), China literally fought a civil war in living memory! You brought up "5000 years" did you forgot how many of those years were spent killing each other? Spoiler, roughly 4000 of them.
You make the common mistake of thinking "agency" is universally good. I'm telling you now that it is not. Agency is a double edged sword. When a Taliban extremist beheads a woman, that is Arab agency. When Bolsonaro's government razes the Amazon, that is Brazilian agency. When Hindutvas repress subcontinent Muslims, that is Indian agency. Human agency carries the potential to deny others their individual agency, always have. There has not been a single moment in human history where this was not true. What people here really want is not agency. What they want is "you're free to do whatever you want, provided it is from the choices I outlined for you".
That is not "agency". We have a bunch of words for that, though. Paternalism, elitism, enlightened despotism, white savior, etc. Take your pick, but if you're going to use "agency" you should have the honesty to recognize the implicit downside.
Caveat emptor: I am Chinese and have lived in China a few years; there are good sides and bad sides to the people, the culture, and the government. The last time I visited was 2017. It is possible China has degenerated to 1984 in the last 4 years, but I doubt it, as I still regularly send my relatives holiday greetings. Mostly, they are just worried about COVID. If they care about the Uyghur situation, they never brought it up to me. CPC repression? Possible, but seeing enlightened liberals shrug at the border crisis instead of literally storming the chain link fences, why should I hold my relatives to a higher standard than my so-called "countrymen"? No one cares, no one actually cares enough to do anything. Posting "how awful" on the internet is worthless. Put up or shut up.
Let me repeat, if an American is posting here about "tankies" covering up Uyghur repression instead of plotting to storm the border to free the "kids in cages", their opinion is worth less than shit to me. It is actually more vile than just not posting at all, because people using ethcs as a conversational cudgel without backing it up with praxis just degrades both ethics and praxis.
As opposed to all the China Understanders™ here who clearly have lived for years in China? Get real, 90% of this thread are uper middle class anglophones who get their China news from NYT, The Economist, and Adrian Zenz.Its so silly that Samoyed thinks he understands shit when his china experience consists of a visit from 4 years ago and holiday greetings from his relatives lmao. oh and a couple years of living there as a westerner.
The fact that people are willing to stan for a government that does this...vile, just vile.
You don't get to decide who gets to comment on something. What you are doing is exactly what the CCP does to try to discredit criticism. The CCP deserves all the criticism it gets.As opposed to all the China Understanders™ here who clearly have lived for years in China? Get real, 90% of this thread are uper middle class anglophones who get their China news from NYT, The Economist, and Adrian Zenz.
I fully admit I'm a banana, but if this is not enough for your idpol, how's this? My grandparents' generation were repressed by the CPC during the Cultural Revolution. They were not KMT-aligned but not exactly CPC-aligned ether. I was not raised to hate my origin country, unlike your standard gusano immigrant family; my family is sad about some of their history but the immigrant experience is "survival by any means necessary", and they have followed this idea to the letter. We don't bitch and moan online, we simply take action. How many people in this thread have "skin in the game", do you think? Maybe we should open a poll. No one can comment on China news on Restetera unless they have something at stake.
You have no fucking idea who you're dealing with. Argue the logical merits of your case or shut it. Trust me, if I wanted to play oppression Olympics with you people I would win 99 times out of 100. I have no interest in games with no challenges, and oppression Olympics with Resetera.com China Understanders™ would be like playing DOTA 2 against babies. Back the fuck off "aznpxdd".
As an immigrant myself, I don't see how being an immigrant has anything to do with criticizing CCP's actions when warranted?As opposed to all the China Understanders™ here who clearly have lived for years in China? Get real, 90% of this thread are uper middle class anglophones who get their China news from NYT, The Economist, and Adrian Zenz.
I fully admit I'm a banana, but if this is not enough for your idpol, how's this? My grandparents' generation were repressed by the CPC during the Cultural Revolution. They were not KMT-aligned but not exactly CPC-aligned ether. I was not raised to hate my origin country, unlike your standard gusano immigrant family; my family is sad about some of their history but the immigrant experience is "survival by any means necessary", and they have followed this idea to the letter. We don't bitch and moan online, we simply take action. How many people in this thread have "skin in the game", do you think? Maybe we should open a poll. No one can comment on China news on Restetera unless they have something at stake.
You have no fucking idea who you're dealing with. Argue the logical merits of your case or shut it. Trust me, if I wanted to play oppression Olympics with you people I would win 99 times out of 100. I have no interest in games with no challenges, and oppression Olympics with Resetera.com China Understanders™ would be like playing DOTA 2 against babies. Back the fuck off "aznpxdd".
I was not the one who started calling people's credentials into question.You don't get to decide who gets to comment on something. What you are doing is exactly what the CCP does to try to discredit criticism. The CCP deserves all the criticism it gets.
My ethos was challenged. I responded in kind. I note you did not rush to my defense, but have decided now of all times is where we need to defend freedom of expression. The implication was obvious. I was a "westerner" who didn't "understand shit" and that my relatives' lived-in experiences are not substantial grounds for my stance. If you have a more charitable read, please, do share. I'm very curious if you actually read it another way or if you're deliberately ignoring the context here just to snipe at me.Its so silly that Samoyed thinks he understands shit when his china experience consists of a visit from 4 years ago and holiday greetings from his relatives lmao. oh and a couple years of living there as a westerner.
See above.As an immigrant myself, I don't see how being an immigrant has anything to do with criticizing CCP's actions when warranted?
This is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.Let me repeat, if an American is posting here about "tankies" covering up Uyghur repression instead of plotting to storm the border to free the "kids in cages", their opinion is worth less than shit to me.
Nice one Encephalon, you really showed the CPC apologists who's boss.
Believe it or not, posting "wow fuck the CCP and their tankie defenders" is the geopolitical equivalent of "thoughts and prayers"
Lmao
CCP shills got offended by the criticism xi jinping and his crew get here. They might say otherwise, but they get in these types of threads and always try to defend the CCP.
How do you defend genocide, holocaust, or otherwise deplorable, horrific ethnic cleansing? What bizarre mental gymnastics are required to do that?CCP shills got offended by the criticism xi jinping and his crew get here. They might say otherwise, but they get in these types of threads and always try to defend the CCP.
I was born in a former eastern bloc country(still live in it), and its very infuriating when someone would post apologia videos. The USSR invaded us and fucked the whole country up, but no man, some people are just following their ideology and dont care about that.How do you defend genocide, holocaust, or otherwise deplorable, horrific ethnic cleansing? What bizarre mental gymnastics are required to do that?
Also, posting straight up propaganda about USSR. I grew up in that soviet shithole and the only people who dare defend that fucked in the head system were the ones who were the most corrupt – stealing and lying with impunity. All I remember is the poverty, the hunger, the rampant alcoholism (used to suppress the first two listed items), the deceitfulness, and the systematic corruption. There are not many things that make me angry, but ill-informed or paid off people who are somehow misty-eyed nostalgics over it all really trigger me.
I also think the evidence supports that it doesn't remotely hold a candle to what's happening in Gaza or what America did to Iraq, and you're probably going to have a very difficult time proving otherwise. So if you live in the imperial core and you're spending all your time worrying about what China is doing to Muslim people while spending very little time worrying about what your own country or the country that your country is allied with is doing, which also happens to be worse, maybe reflect on that or just continue to be a liberal and be anathema to me.
Yeah, this is the same thing as going into that "US bombed civilians, not terrorists in Afghanistan" thread and to start talking about how china is committing genocide. How these posters arent banned is mindblowing to meWhy are we drawing comparisons to other atrocities? It's whataboutism at its best.
Yeah, this is the same thing as going into that "US bombed civilians, not terrorists in Afghanistan" thread and to start talking about how china is committing genocide. How these posters arent banned is mindblowing to me
It may be shocking, but it's possible to believe that more than one thing is bad.
Why are we drawing comparisons to other atrocities? It's whataboutism at its best.