Chinese censors crack down on webnovels/internet based fiction: Possible jailtime for boy's love, stay lighthearted, no corruption or sex
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Come on our China stans and defend this shit. The usual defenses you use are:
Whataboutism
False Equivalency
You haven't been there it's really quite nice
or
"Why do you hate Chinese people?" when critiques were clearly focused on government, not individuals subjected to that government.
Personally, I don't see how any of those work as a valid defense of an indefensible government, but if you can't defend this you may want to rethink your regular defense of all things PRC.
Whataboutism
False Equivalency
You haven't been there it's really quite nice
or
"Why do you hate Chinese people?" when critiques were clearly focused on government, not individuals subjected to that government.
Personally, I don't see how any of those work as a valid defense of an indefensible government, but if you can't defend this you may want to rethink your regular defense of all things PRC.
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That' what the Chinese text say "Military marriage". I don't know what kind of fetish is it. You can google and read the novels yourself.
There is nothing to defend, most of these topics are already censored since the founding of People's Public of China.
This is horrible. For the last couple of years or so, I've been exclusively reading translated Chinese/Japanese/Korean fiction to the point that I just can't bring myself to go back to reading Western fiction. I hate the Chinese government for trying to squash ideas and achievements that have been made in fiction.
Yeah, my typo messed that one up. We often see accusations of "hating Chinese people" levied against those who point out massive issues with the government. It's so disingenuous.
Uhh, I'm pretty sure some around here probably support this one at least lol.
China gonna China, this is what happens when you let Governments take control of the people, corrupt the flow of information and then use force to manipulate/stop dissent. Which is why all my life so far my true left-wing feelings are to always be suspicious of Government, especially men in positions of power/control and to have pretty strong feelings around Governments eroding an ability to dissent/speak out. Even with some of the shit that can come from assholes and idiots abusing the same protections in place to allow speech.
The surveillance state comes in many shades, so even if China is full authoritarian now, China didn't get there overnight.
What are we testing in the UK right now? Facial recognition for "crime prevention" - https://www.theguardian.com/technol...on-prevents-crime-police-tell-uk-privacy-case
The police state which is an arm of the Government engaging in authoritarian practices mixed with technology. Yummy, what could go wrong? Oh, the UK porn pass? Well, yeah, stick that into your data collection/privacy nightmare too. Bu bu bu slippery slope!
And I want to be clear there are people who are racists who opposes China in racial terms
That and earlier censor ruling that would remove majority of period drama that is popular, which didn't seem to happen as it still happen, actually I don't think anyone like the censor branch, even the most pro China netzizen don't like it and want original or uncensored original media
The kingdom building in "Release That Witch" is overthrowing a corrupt feudal society and replacing it with an authoritarian, centralized, military focused state that is competent, looks after its citizens and attempts to industrialize and urbanize the country with lots of character from humble beginnings rising to prominence due to a newly meritocratic society. I don't see the Chinese censors having any issues with that. Now the lesbian characters maybe.
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Yep. The entire reason people got into danmei was because straightforward gay media is already suppressed.
Yep. I got a warning for calling out China for its bullshit a while back. It's great especially since I'm half chinese and half vietnamese and I've been to china on several occasions.
But nope, it's always about whataboutism or some cultural relativism bullshit when you call out China and how some of its people act.
Yeah they already killed a book i liked "tales of the reincarnated lord" cause of some not graphic sex scenes
I was thinking of release that witch, but like, they overthrow a totalitarian kingdom, remove lands and power from the ruling caste and rich people, redistribute the richness to the poor and implement something almost akin to socialism, isnt it going to be fine? if anything its pretty Mao-positive
The current Chinese government must feel very insecure and fragile if they think banning portrayals of official corruption even in fantasy fiction is remotely necessary, to say nothing of the ridiculous moral conservatism behind prohibiting depictions of same sex relationships and also general sexual contents.
The Chinese govt is eventually gonna end up destroying itself. You can't keep going harder line after you've opened up to the world a bit. Their people have traveled across the world in greater numbers for the last 15-20 years and are becoming more affluent by the day.
The only question is when, it could be 10 years, it could be 50 but eventually it'll end the way all dictatorships end.
The only question is when, it could be 10 years, it could be 50 but eventually it'll end the way all dictatorships end.
Why do they have a problem with kissing and sex? Isn't this a country that prides itself on indoctrinating religious people to pledge themselves to worshipping the state instead?
What is the point? Are the CCP so scared of their own people that they won't even let their citizens indulge in fiction?
You only need to look at the Winnie the Pooh thing to see that poor Xi is insecure as fuck.
Brilliantly stated. Agreed with everything you've said here.
I'm familiar with slash via what little I know of Avengers fandom there. Chinese fans have produced amazing art, much of it male/male. I also see a lot of fanfiction translated into or from Chinese.
These kinds of restrictions are insane. These are harmless, creative pastimes that let people express themselves. Cracking down on something that is pretty much a hobby is insane to me.
Even the government in 1984 had a department devoted to disseminating porn!
The bargain was economic growth in exchange for autocracy
No economy has grown without interruption and economists suspect China had been fudging numbers as the growth was quite similar to what you might see in a madoffesque ponzi scheme. No high peaks or valleys just 10% every year until recently when it slowed to below that.
No one really knows what will happen when a recession hits or one of many bubbles burst
Yeah, there's definitely something screwed up going on, with Xi purging the other year and essentially making himself dictator for life. As an outsider it leads me to think that is a sign they see trouble ahead.
How would you describe someone that says thay China has no ability to create culture outside of these narrowly defined restrictions? And how would you describe the lack of challenge to that kind of statement? Art ALWAYS finds a way to be subversive unless someone thinks that Chinese culture is inherently incapable of doing so.
And from one Asian brother to another, you have some issues to work through.
The comments I've seen in this thread relating to that has to do with extreme censorship resulting in samey safe soft power cultural products that is uncompetitive internationally.
And that is true.
It's to cement the idea that natural and healthy urges are wrong.
You can't just expect people to follow or believe in your regime, you have to control every aspect of their lives. You have to normalise the concept of having no freedom or choice. Anything they have or enjoy must be a gift from your government.
The next generation of children must be taught to resent the CCP's absence of control in every facet of life.
They don't really need to care about soft power when their population is big enough they can simply send out immigrants and establish population bases in every country in the world while controlling the world's economy almost on their own. If climate change doesn't destroy civilization China is setup to be the major power of the next couple of hundred years.
I agree. But their form of domination will look very different than America's, who pull off the trick where you almost love to be dominated by them what with Hollywood, Rock n Roll, the American dream, etc. Maybe they don't need that, but it's been part of America's successful playbook.
I would have thought China would eventually get their ducks in a row and make worthwhile cultural media exports. But it should be happening by now and it isn't. As I said, I think the fatal flaw is Communistic authoritarianism... it seems to be a rule that you just can't make anything "cool" when the authorities can't help putting their hands in it.
Kinda sad how low a country with such a rich history has fallen. Communism is all about destroying any sense of individuality and creative freedom, even legendary novel like Romance of the Three Kingdoms would be banned nowadays.
It reminds me how people in Mongolia had no idea who Genghis Khan was after decade of communist dictatorship.
It reminds me how people in Mongolia had no idea who Genghis Khan was after decade of communist dictatorship.
Yeah, there are some (sometimes heavy) pro-communism overtones in RtW, but i don't think the novel is safe because of that.
Until the west stops needing chinese slave labor and it's massive market for buying goods China is not going anywhere. For as awful as they are to their people, China has figured out it's economy and that's going to make it falling or changing any time soon very very unlikely.