We should. Yes.But we should hold these American companies to high standards and push them to provide a safe work environment no matter where that is. We've done it before.
We should. Yes.But we should hold these American companies to high standards and push them to provide a safe work environment no matter where that is. We've done it before.
lmao where are you pulling this from dude. you're positing that the number of Falun Gong practitioners was so vast that it intimidated the rule of the CPC such that their subsequent treatment of FG was justified? you're seriously suggesting that Falun Gong had enough pull that it could have potentially compromised one of the most principled, stringent modern governments on the planet, had China not gone about it's crackdown?At it's height there were more Falun Gong practitioners (estimated 70miillion) than CPC party members before the crack down with large presence within regional governments.
lmao where are you pulling this from dude. you're positing that the number of Falun Gong practitioners was so vast that it intimidated the rule of the CPC such that their subsequent treatment of FG was justified? you're seriously suggesting that Falun Gong had enough pull that it could have potentially compromised one of the most principled, stringent modern governments on the planet, had China not gone about it's crackdown?
lol post a decade and a half old article and peace. typical bitchmade tankie shitFalun Gong claims to have a membership of 70 million in China and 30 million in 40 other countries, mostly in the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe. It also claims that many practitioners are Chinese Communist Party members.
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/24/china.fg.overview/
Also my view on religious persecution in China: "I disagree with the CPCs methods, vehemently,"
I can't tell if you're intentionally being aggressively stupid or not so I'm out.
lmao post a decade and a half old article and peace. typical bitchmade tankie shit
Labeling Falun Gong as a cult is in itself nothing but propaganda from the Chinese government.Religious persecution and cults are both bad! Cults are extra bad when they infiltrate a secular government. No one here wants fundies to run the US government right, separation of church and state and all. I disagree with the CPCs methods, vehemently, but I'm doing going to pretend the cult is harmless either. The world is in a perilous place, unnecessary escalation isn't productive when ground reality is already terrible.
what? you said there were more FG members than CCP members. the italicized quote says there are 70 million FG members (according to FG themselves, take that for what it's worth) and most of them belong to the CCP. you're still dodging the question as to whether you think FG actually represented any presence in Chinese politics everBecause the crack down happened a decade ago in response to those numbers. How are you so bad at thinking.
Labeling Falun Gong as a cult is in itself nothing but propaganda from the Chinese government.
what? you said there were more FG members than CCP members. the italicized quote says there are 70 million FG members (according to FG themselves, take that for what it's worth) and most of them belong to the CCP. you're still dodging the question as to whether you think FG actually represented any presence in Chinese politics ever
man do you even read the shit you're quoting before you post? you just keep posting articles that shit on your own position lolRead earlier in the thread, I label them as a cult because I grew up with their culty bullshit that led to a relative dying due to culty shenanigans not government persecution, which I've reiterated several times that I disagree with.
"It also claims that many practitioners are Chinese Communist Party members."
SMH Literally in the quote. Added detail from write ups during the era.
"This fear of Falun Gong's popularity explains why its main text, Zhuan Falun, was banned from publication weeks after becoming a bestseller in 1996. And why, when a government report estimated there were more Falun Gong practitioners (70 million plus) than Party members, security agents began interrupting exercise sessions."
https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-faith-column/2008/08/falun-gong-party-chinese
Like none of this is new information or controversial. They infiltrated politics at all levels, and there was a crack down. One of us lived through this period and experienced it first hand, one of us insist on being ignorant because reading is hard - hint: it's you.
Falun Gong appears to be a victim of that, too, as the persecution provided an excuse for strengthening state security apparatuses. It gave the Party an opportunity to oil its machinery - from Cultural Revolution-style purges to Internet surveillance systems.
This. The shit they do is staggering.Honestly the less power China has going forward the better. That government is fucking evil and backwards.
Are they committing humanitarian catastrophes and subjugating their population with iron fist control?You do know that Indonesia, Vietnam and Bangladesh aren't exactly democracy paradises either?
man do you even read the shit you're quoting before you post? you just keep posting articles that shit on your own position lol
NPR isn't a reputable new source? They are reporting the Ughyur concentration camps.What is with ERA and posting anti-Chinese news from terrible sources. China Uncensored is operated by NTD Television, founded by Falun Gong cultists. A few days ago someone posted about "Uyghur man sentenced to death for travelling outside of GPS tracked group" from Radio Free Asia, a literal anti-communist propaganda outlet. Before that, some article from a similarly dubious Taiwanese website about Uyghur women being forced to marry Han Chinese. None of these articles has any corroboration from other news outlets. I was born in the mainland, I recognize there's a bunch of problematic shit happening there, but it's always interesting to see the right and the left eating blatant fake news when it comes to China.
Edit: as for the original video, no one is moving. Many companies have tried to diversify in the last few years but inevitably crawled back to mainland because the supply chain and logistics advantages of are too beneficial. Many companies will ship to goods adjacent ports and import products under a different flag to circumvent tariffs.
maybe read to read your own links before you tell people to 'think gud' you fucking idiotYeah, my repeated position is religious persecution is bad, but I'm also explaining that FG were a cult that infiltrated the government's power, which would also be bad given they're also an actual fucking cult with crazy beliefs that shouldn't have a place in secular governments. Both views can be are consistently held if you learn to think gud.
maybe read to read your own links before you tell people to 'think gud' you fucking idiot
What is with ERA and posting anti-Chinese news from terrible sources. China Uncensored is operated by NTD Television, founded by Falun Gong cultists. A few days ago someone posted about "Uyghur man sentenced to death for travelling outside of GPS tracked group" from Radio Free Asia, a literal anti-communist propaganda outlet. Before that, some article from a similarly dubious Taiwanese website about Uyghur women being forced to marry Han Chinese. None of these articles has any corroboration from other news outlets. I was born in the mainland, I recognize there's a bunch of problematic shit happening there, but it's always interesting to see the right and the left eating blatant fake news when it comes to China.
Edit: as for the original video, no one is moving. Many companies have tried to diversify in the last few years but inevitably crawled back to mainland because the supply chain and logistics advantages of are too beneficial. Many companies will ship to goods adjacent ports and import products under a different flag to circumvent tariffs.
Please don't kiss your loved ones with your contagious stupidity. Have a good night.
what? you said there were more FG members than CCP members. the italicized quote says there are 70 million FG members (according to FG themselves, take that for what it's worth) and most of them belong to the CCP. you're still dodging the question as to whether you think FG actually represented any presence in Chinese politics ever
Yeah, like peaceful christians fundies that reject modern medicine, they only hurt their own. A family member died because of what this stupid cult preached, so fuck them.
I'm totally against homeopathy, but I woudn't lock them up. But hey, THE GREATER GOOD, huh.
maybe read to read your own links before you tell people to 'think gud' you fucking idiot
What is with ERA and posting anti-Chinese news from terrible sources. China Uncensored is operated by NTD Television, founded by Falun Gong cultists. A few days ago someone posted about "Uyghur man sentenced to death for travelling outside of GPS tracked group" from Radio Free Asia, a literal anti-communist propaganda outlet. Before that, some article from a similarly dubious Taiwanese website about Uyghur women being forced to marry Han Chinese. None of these articles has any corroboration from other news outlets. I was born in the mainland, I recognize there's a bunch of problematic shit happening there, but it's always interesting to see the right and the left eating blatant fake news when it comes to China.
Edit: as for the original video, no one is moving. Many companies have tried to diversify in the last few years but inevitably crawled back to mainland because the supply chain and logistics advantages of are too beneficial. Many companies will ship to goods adjacent ports and import products under a different flag to circumvent tariffs.
Despite the severity of atrocities inflected on Uyghur Muslims by the Chinese government, the country still sits proudly as a permanent member of United Nations, and simply denies the existence of these things. In spite of all the proof, China has not even allowed the UN to conduct a free investigation in the region. Even the journalists who try to cover the situation have been detained or tailed by police. The world must stop these atrocious human rights violations, so that we do not follow in the footsteps of China, where practising your religion is a crime.
And I wouldn't either, as I reiterated with almost every post. You said calling them cult is problematic, I said calling a cult a cult is accurate, because they're a cult.
There's video where it's claimed an Uighur woman is being forced to marry a Han man against her will/to free her relatives from the 're-education' camps.
http://www.atimes.com/article/beijing-accused-of-forcing-uyghur-han-intermarriages/
As for China being a hub for thousands of reporters, this is what happens when they try to visit Uighur majority areas...
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...t-chinese-human-rights-religion-a8534161.html
The link has stories from Uighurs who fled from China, but I guess those are anti China propaganda too...
There's also this...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-cash-inter-ethnic-marriages-uighur-minority
Remove all rights from an ethnic group, make it hard for them for find work and then provide 'incentives' for the ethnic groups women to marry the majority population. No ulterior motives at all, just a random set of coincidences.
Hey, I hate CPC as much as you do, but let's not go crazy and claim Falun gong is a unharmful "religion".
i think the claim that FG infiltrated the Chinese government is facile at best, and worth mockeryMaxglute has not disputed that what the CPC is doing to religious minority groups is despicable and disgusting, and has stated that he vehemently opposes such conduct - I don't understand what you are trying to say, could you clarify your point ?
Whether or not they did manage to infiltrate the party doesn't change the fact that the government saw them as a huge menace to them. One has to wonder why.i think the claim that FG infiltrated the Chinese government is facile at best, and worth mockery
What is with ERA and posting anti-Chinese news from terrible sources. China Uncensored is operated by NTD Television, founded by Falun Gong cultists. A few days ago someone posted about "Uyghur man sentenced to death for travelling outside of GPS tracked group" from Radio Free Asia, a literal anti-communist propaganda outlet. Before that, some article from a similarly dubious Taiwanese website about Uyghur women being forced to marry Han Chinese. None of these articles has any corroboration from other news outlets. I was born in the mainland, I recognize there's a bunch of problematic shit happening there, but it's always interesting to see the right and the left eating blatant fake news when it comes to China.
Edit: as for the original video, no one is moving. Many companies have tried to diversify in the last few years but inevitably crawled back to mainland because the supply chain and logistics advantages of are too beneficial. Many companies will ship to goods adjacent ports and import products under a different flag to circumvent tariffs.
Yes, that's why people don't like an oppressive dictatorial regime that brutally occupies foreign nations, doesn't recognize human rights at all, and imprisons thousands of religious minorities in reeducation camps.
What's the alternative? Wait for the free press in China or the powerful opposition parties to raise issues? The government has total control and uses it to suppress information. That leads to sometimes having to trust sources that you wouldn't have to in countries with any real flow of information.This, a lot of news about China now have no proof of anything but everyone eats it up.
The crazy thing is even if you question these articles or disagree you're automatically siding with China and are a bad person.
Propaganda at its finest.
This. Can we stop painting the Falun Gong in a positive light?
My uncle died of cancer when I was young. His wife had a relative who was Falun Gong. After the wake, this relative approached my sister, who was in her young teens at the time, and tried to convert her. My sister came out, looking shaken, and tossed out the stack of pamphlets she was given.
We later learned that this relative deliberately targets children and teens to indoctrinate them early. My sister wasn't the first she tried preying on, and she wasn't the last.
It's a cult.
Whether or not they did manage to infiltrate the party doesn't change the fact that the government saw them as a huge menace to them. One has to wonder why.
You do understand that both sides could be in the wrong, right? That one could qualify the Falun Gong as a cult, all the while condemning the atrocities that was inflicted on their members by the Chinese government.
No one here has mentioned anything resembling legitimate criticism, just vagueries.
You've provided no reason to believe you, and maxglute has. Religious groups have infiltrated and taken over governments many times, even in recent history. Look up Turkey, Erdogan, and the Gulenist movement.i think the claim that FG infiltrated the Chinese government is facile at best, and worth mockery
It's a fucking dictatorship.Oh look another thread about China that immediately descends into a shit on China thread. And whenever somebody dares question why China is getting piled on for everything that has nothing to do with the OP, they become apologists, huh.
TIL family member dies because cult brainwashed them to reject medical treatment are just vagueries and totally not legitimate criticism. A+ trivialization.
Jesus that sounds like a dystopian nightmare.Religious persecution is very real in China (as is practically any kind of thought police). It's not just cults, Christian churches are now forced to install the facial recognition cameras at the entrance, the bible is being rewritten to conform to Xi's sensibilities, and anytime you bring a new person or the wrong bible to the church you get social credit points docked.
I'm not religious and think the world will probably be a better place with most of them gone, but persecution is not the way, and especially not because it seems like China is simply busy installing their own mind control religion.
Companies should flee. Though obviously they're not fleeing because of any of this (except companies with privacy concerns), but because it's better for their bottom line when they do.
Err I'm from Indonesia, while our country still corrupt af.. I believe we have good democracy process here, good enough to not compared to fucking ChinaYou do know that Indonesia, Vietnam and Bangladesh aren't exactly democracy paradises either?