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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...81ce9c-538e-11ec-8927-c396fa861a71_story.html

China is turning a major part of its internal Internet data surveillance network outward, mining Western social media, including Facebook and Twitter, to equip its government agencies, military and police with information on foreign targets, according to a Washington Post review of hundreds of Chinese bidding documents, contracts and company filings.
China maintains a countrywide network of government data surveillance services — called public opinion analysis software — that were developed over the past decade and are used domestically to warn officials of politically sensitive information online.

The software primarily targets China's domestic Internet users and media, but a Washington Post review of bidding documents and contracts for over 300 Chinese government projects since the beginning of 2020 include orders for software designed to collect data on foreign targets from sources such as Twitter, Facebook and other Western social media.
The documents, publicly accessible through domestic government bidding platforms, also show that agencies including state media, propaganda departments, police, military and cyber regulators are purchasing new or more sophisticated systems to gather data.

These include a $320,000 Chinese state media software program that mines Twitter and Facebook to create a database of foreign journalists and academics; a $216,000 Beijing police intelligence program that analyses Western chatter on Hong Kong and Taiwan; and a Xinjiang cybercenter cataloguing Uyghur language content abroad.
"They are now reorienting part of that effort outward, and I think that's frankly terrifying, looking at the sheer numbers and sheer scale that this has taken inside China," said Mareike Ohlberg, a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund who has conducted extensive research on China's domestic public opinion network.

"It really shows that they now feel it's their responsibility to defend China overseas and fight the public opinion war overseas," she said.
The purchases range in size from small, automated programs to projects costing hundreds of thousands of dollars that are staffed 24 hours a day by teams including English speakers and foreign policy specialists.

The documents describe highly customizable programs that can collect real-time social media data from individual social media users. Some describe tracking broad trends on issues including U.S. elections.

The Post was not able to review data collected by the systems but spoke to four people based in Beijing who are directly involved in government public opinion analysis and described separate software systems that automatically collect and store Facebook and Twitter data in real time on domestic Chinese servers for analysis.
China's systems for analyzing domestic public opinion online are a powerful but largely unseen pillar of President Xi Jinping's program to modernize China's propaganda apparatus and maintain control over the Internet.

The vast data collection and monitoring efforts give officials insight into public opinion, a challenge in a country that does not hold public elections or permit independent media.

The services also provide increasingly technical surveillance for China's censorship apparatus. And most systems include alarm functions designed to alert officials and police to negative content in real time.

These operations are an important function of what Beijing calls "public opinion guidance work" — a policy of molding public sentiment in favor of the government through targeted propaganda and censorship.
The exact scope of China's government public opinion monitoring industry is unclear, but there have been some indications about its size in Chinese state media. In 2014, the state-backed newspaper China Daily said more than 2 million people were working as public opinion analysts. In 2018, the People's Daily, another official organ, said the government's online opinion analysis industry was worth "tens of billions of yuan," equivalent to billions of dollars, and was growing at a rate of 50 percent a year.
That surveillance network system is expanding to include foreign social media at a time when global perceptions of Beijing are at their lowest in recent history
"On the back of the Sino-US trade talks and the Hong Kong rioting incident, it's becoming clearer day by day that the public opinion news war is arduous and necessary," China Daily said in a July 2020 bidding document for a $300,000 "foreign personnel analysis platform."

The invitation to tender lays out specifications for a program that mines Twitter, Facebook and YouTube for data on "well known Western media journalists" and other "key personnel from political, business and media circles."

"We are competing with the US and Western media, the battle for the right to speak has begun," it said.

The software should run 24 hours a day, according to the specifications, and map the relationships between target personnel and uncover "factions" between personnel, measuring their "China tendencies" and building an alarm system that automatically flags "false statements and reports on China."
Two people who work as analysts in public opinion analysis units contracted by government agencies in Beijing told The Post that they receive automated alarms via SMS, email and on dedicated computer monitors when "sensitive" content was detected. Both of the people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to foreign media.

"Having responsibility for [the monitoring] is a lot of pressure," said one of the people. "If we do our work poorly, there are severe repercussions."

Highly sensitive viral trends online are reported to a 24-hour hotline maintained by the Cybersecurity Administration of China (CAC), the body that oversees the country's censorship apparatus, the person said of their unit.

The person added that most of the alarms were related to domestic social media but that foreign social media had also been included in the units' monitoring since the middle of 2019.

The person's account is supported by four bidding documents for unrelated systems that mention direct hotlines to the CAC.
"The international balance of power has been profoundly adjusted," said the request for tenders. "Through the collection of public Internet information we can keep a close eye on the international community, analyze sensitivities and hot spots, and maintain the stability of Chinese society."

In an April 2020 article, the chief analyst at the People's Daily Online Public Opinion Data Center, Liao Canliang, laid out the ultimate goal of public opinion analysis.

"The ultimate purpose of analysis and prediction is to guide and intervene in public opinion," Canliang wrote. "… Public data from social network users can be used to analyze the characteristics and preferences of users, and then guide them in a targeted manner."

In the article, Liao points to Cambridge Analytica's impact on the 2016 U.S. election as evidence of social media's ability to mold public opinion.

"The West uses big data to analyze, research and judge public opinion to influence political activities. ... As long as there is a correct grasp on the situation, public opinion can also be guided and interfered with," he wrote.
The increase in China's monitoring of foreign public opinion on social media coincides with efforts by Beijing to boost its influence on Twitter and other U.S. social media platforms.

In June 2020, Twitter suspended 23,000 accounts that it said were linked to the Chinese Communist Party and covertly spreading propaganda to undermine pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong. This month, Twitter said it removed a further 2,048 accounts linked to Beijing and producing coordinated content undermining accusations of rights abuses in Xinjiang.

Experts say those accounts represent a small fraction of China's efforts to boost pro-Beijing messaging on foreign social media.
In 14 instances, the analysis systems included a feature requested by the police that would automatically flag "sensitive" content related to Uyghurs and other Chinese ethnic minorities. An additional 12 analysis systems included the police-requested capability of monitoring individual content authors over time.

"It must support information monitoring of overseas social media … and provide for targeted collection of designated sites and authors," said one invitation to tender released by the Fuzhou city police in October that lists coverage of Facebook and Twitter as a requirement.

The monitoring of social media abroad by local police throughout China could be used in investigating Chinese citizens locally and abroad, as well as in flagging trends that stir domestic dissent, experts say.
Experts say the increasingly advanced social media surveillance technology available to Chinese police could worsen the targeted harassment of Beijing's critics.

"The Chinese government is one of the worst offenders when it comes to targeting individuals outside of the country," said Adrian Shahbaz, the director for technology and democracy at the think tank Freedom House.

"It has an extreme chilling effect on how Chinese citizens outside of China are using social media tools, because they know that back home, their information is very easily monitored by Chinese authorities," he said.

The China Public Security Bureau did not respond to a request for comment.

A police bureau in southern China's Nanping city purchased a $42,000 system that "supports collection, discovery, and warning functions for ... Twitter and Facebook social media data according to different classifications and keyword groups, as well as overseas information lists," according to bidding documents released in July 2020.
Other procurements for public opinion services outline programs purchased by Chinese police and Xinjiang government bodies to track "sensitive" ethnic language content abroad. (China's mainly-Muslim Uyghurs are concentrated in Xinjiang.)

A $43,000 system purchased by police in central China's Shangnan county included a "foreign sensitive information" collection system that requested Uyghur and Tibetan staff translators, according to the contracts.

Military procurement documents — less detailed than other types — did not offer much detail on the purpose of the foreign data collection but alluded to vague categories of data including "key personnel."

One heavily redacted June 2020 contract issued by the People's Liberation Army described a system that would trawl foreign sites and categorize data on the basis of affiliation, geography and country.

Source Data Technology, the Shanghai-based company that won the contract, says on its website that it uses "advanced big data mining and artificial intelligence analysis technology" to cover more than 90 percent of social media in the United States, Europe and China's neighboring countries.
 

Gpsych

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Man, I love social media. It's accomplished so much for our society in such a little amount of time.
 

Khanimus

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I'm sure the person shocked and horrified by this has left some in the tank for when they hear the US and Canada openly monitored their own citizens because their skin was just a bit too brown. Or y'know, all the grotesque monitoring all these countries do to one another anyway.

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nevercomehome

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I'm sure the person shocked and horrified by this has left some in the tank for when they hear the US and Canada openly monitored their own citizens because their skin was just a bit too brown. Or y'know, all the grotesque monitoring all these countries do to one another anyway.

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Extremely off topic but it feels like the only good thing to come out of Iron Fist was this gif lol
 

Mekanos

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"Harvest" is an interesting word to describe what is going on here.
 

Slayven

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If people going to tell you all their business, you might as well listen /s
 

Dyle

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My grandma always asks me when I'll go and visit China for some reason and I always tell her that I don't think I would be allowed in because I've talked about the Uighur genocide online a bunch. That might not be true yet but it's probably only a matter of time knowing some of the things the CCP has done to people with connections to China who have done similar things
 

fertygo

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Who don't?
Extremely disingenuous to point this out without reflecting western power most likely doing bigger amount of surveilance.
 
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kmfdmpig

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As always, fuck the CCP. With that said, I can't imagine that any major country isn't doing the same already. Whether it's couched in terms of "monitoring for extremism", etc... any major power will be aware of those who are saying bad things about them in a public sphere whether in real media or social media.
 

BarcaTheGreat

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All the takes about others countries doing it or who isn't doing it... China doing it is very different for a simple reason: they have almost perfected human right violations on such a mass scale, any other dictatorship can only dream of. They have already created a open prison of all 1 million of an ethnic group. That's just one example. They were already going after dissident in other countries, sure it's not unique to China but the power that China have internationally is miles above any other dictatorships. No one should start taking anything China does lightly.
 

kmfdmpig

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I think you mean indignant.
I think it's actually meant to be "disingenuous". Indignant doesn't really work there.

All the takes about others countries doing it or who isn't doing it... China doing it is very different for a simple reason: they have almost perfected human right violations on such a mass scale, any other dictatorship can only dream of. They have already created a open prison of all 1 million of an ethnic group. That's just one example. They were already going after dissident in other countries, sure it's not unique to China but the power that China have internationally is miles above any other dictatorships. No one should start taking anything China does lightly.
That's a good point but it also makes the thread a bit of a bitch eating crackers one. Yes, the CCP is trash but what they're doing in the OP is standard procedure worldwide and isn't really something that we should be shocked by. The treatment of Uyghurs, control of information, and crackdowns on dissent within the country are, of course, significant areas of concern that should be shouted from the rooftops.
 

Lord Fanny

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I think my question is pretty direct. I don't need to imply anything.

You're pretty clearly trying to imply some kind of xenophobia here, otherwise you wouldn't have confronted him specifically about creating threads on China, especially in a thread about how CCP is buying up data to further their propaganda machine and stifle voices outside China (even if one was to submit this is just the same thing western countries already do, it doesn't make that less bad or worthy of criticism).

If you really think that there is some kind of underlying issue here or OP is pushing some kind of agenda, you should contact a mod or admin. I don't think this kind of passive aggressive posting is going to help things.
 
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Sure. How does China harvesting data like western intelligence services already do relate to genocide?
It's literally in the article which you obviously didn't read.
a $216,000 Beijing police intelligence program that analyzes Western chatter on Hong Kong and Taiwan; and a cybercenter in Xinjiang, home to most of China's Uyghur population, that catalogues the mainly Muslim minority group's language content abroad.
In 14 instances, the analysis systems included a feature requested by the police that would automatically flag "sensitive" content related to Uyghurs and other Chinese ethnic minorities. An additional 12 analysis systems included the police-requested capability of monitoring individual content authors over time.
Other procurements for public opinion services outline programs purchased by Chinese police and Xinjiang government bodies to track "sensitive" ethnic language content abroad. (China's mainly-Muslim Uyghurs are concentrated in Xinjiang.)

A $43,000 system purchased by police in central China's Shangnan county included a "foreign sensitive information" collection system that requested Uyghur and Tibetan staff translators, according to the contracts.
 

ToTheMoon

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Welcome to 2022, China. Other countris have been doing this for a long time =P

*FBI,NSA,THE PENTAGON, CIA, MI6 LAUGHS*

Sure. How does China harvesting data like western intelligence services already do relate to genocide?

Given that there's a state-run genocide currently taking place in China, these "both sides" takes are pretty disgusting.
 

kmfdmpig

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Given that there's a state-run genocide currently taking place in China, these "both sides" takes are pretty disgusting.
I think the CCP is evil but also think the exact techniques described in the OP are not a big deal. It's not saying that the CCP is fine, it's an acknowledgement that monitoring social media is SOP for governments. That doesn't lessen the horrors of what the country is doing in Xinjiang.
 
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I think the CCP is evil but also think the exact techniques described in the OP are not a big deal. It's not saying that the CCP is fine, it's an acknowledgement that monitoring social media is SOP for governments. That doesn't lessen the horrors of what the country is doing in Xinjiang.
The reasons for doing it a different though. As the article mentions they are doing this to monitor online criticism to keep it out of China and also use the information to try to counter criticism of China outside of China.
These systems are also used to target overseas Chinese citizens in order to silence them, like in the video below.
I wanted to add the article below to this OP but I believe you can only have one article for an OP so I didn't include it.


www.nytimes.com

A Digital Manhunt: How Chinese Police Track Critics on Twitter and Facebook (Published 2021)

Authorities in China have turned to sophisticated investigative software to track and silence obscure critics on overseas social media. Their targets include college students and non-Chinese nationals.
 

Scottt

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I wish the article would have linked to the Source Data Technology website. Or that I had the ability to translate between languages. I've been searching for the company but can't find anything.

May I ask a favor of anyone with the knowledge, how are police organized in China? Do they maintain separate jurisdictions, or organized by municipal or provincial forces? Do they all access a shared database, or do local police have limitations?
 

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a $216,000 Beijing police intelligence program that analyzes Western chatter on Hong Kong and Taiwan; and a cybercenter in Xinjiang, home to most of China's Uyghur population, that catalogues the mainly Muslim minority group's language content abroad.
In 14 instances, the analysis systems included a feature requested by the police that would automatically flag "sensitive" content related to Uyghurs and other Chinese ethnic minorities. An additional 12 analysis systems included the police-requested capability of monitoring individual content authors over time.
Other procurements for public opinion services outline programs purchased by Chinese police and Xinjiang government bodies to track "sensitive" ethnic language content abroad. (China's mainly-Muslim Uyghurs are concentrated in Xinjiang.)

A $43,000 system purchased by police in central China's Shangnan county included a "foreign sensitive information" collection system that requested Uyghur and Tibetan staff translators, according to the contracts.

Reasons #656598956 I can never step foot inside of China.

This fucking regime terrifies me even more than the US these days. At least I can stand on the sidewalk and lambast Western government officials/institutions without getting tossed into a concentration camp and getting my entire family and neighborhood silenced.

Thank you, Hanzo, for keeping us in the loop. As someone from that region of Asia, it's particularly important that I be somewhat on top of the CCP's latest initiatives.
 
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Platy

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Given that there's a state-run genocide currently taking place in China, these "both sides" takes are pretty disgusting.

1) only one of those quotes mentioned countries that are currently not doing much state-run genocides officially.
2) currently.
3) officially.
4) much.

This is a practice that lots of countries that done officially classic state-run genocides have used for like a decade a this point.

This is bad. This is also not new except for the china part.
 

antonz

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Well can see who is earning their social credits in this thread. Winnie the Pooh would be so proud.

Its why even though I do significant work with Chinese and Russian Game Development companies and having been invited to come visit the studios several times I have always turned them down. I have been very vocal on the abuses of both Governments and I have no desire to become some political hostage or other bullshit.

They are essentially taking family members hostage and then contacting Nationals overseas to threaten them to behave all while making sure they know hey we have your family here.
 

kmfdmpig

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The reasons for doing it a different though. As the article mentions they are doing this to monitor online criticism to keep it out of China and also use the information to try to counter criticism of China outside of China.
These systems are also used to target overseas Chinese citizens in order to silence them, like in the video below.
I wanted to add the article below to this OP but I believe you can only have one article for an OP so I didn't include it.


www.nytimes.com

A Digital Manhunt: How Chinese Police Track Critics on Twitter and Facebook (Published 2021)

Authorities in China have turned to sophisticated investigative software to track and silence obscure critics on overseas social media. Their targets include college students and non-Chinese nationals.

This is a much more compelling point than what was in the OP. The video with the father at the police station is clearly meant to intimidate and stifle what the woman says even while she's not in the country. That's horrific.
 

Dave.

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If they can glean such information just by looking at the public-facing output of Facebook and co, just imagine if you are Facebook and co...
 

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I'm sure the person shocked and horrified by this has left some in the tank for when they hear the US and Canada openly monitored their own citizens because their skin was just a bit too brown. Or y'know, all the grotesque monitoring all these countries do to one another anyway.

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Nice whataboutism. You got any more of that?
 

ZiZ

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It's 2040, I'm heading to a conference in China. I'm grabbed by the police the moment I step of the plane, they toss me in jail because I tweeted support for the now erased Uyghurs.

The US do this too but they're better at pretending they don't.