Ironically, Trump is the only one who so far has gotten even a little bit tough with China what with his tariffs and all.
but his tariffs has nothing to do with this
Ironically, Trump is the only one who so far has gotten even a little bit tough with China what with his tariffs and all.
Oh I know, but everyone else has so far been completely terrified of China.
Oh I know, but everyone else has so far been completely terrified of China.
I understand that. The point is that no one else is willing to put any hurt on China in any way for any reason.Trump has expressed outright admiration for Xi's strongman tactics. He's not standing up for anything.
You expect these companies to develop a conscience? They don't give a shit, it's all about profit. They're not gonna move all their infrastructure out of China into another country over this. They would let the planet burn to a crisp before letting their stocks drop.
Let's not forget the American companies that invested in Nazi Germany. This is nothing new.
Yep exactly and well spoken - this would give Orwell a heart attackRounding up people and killing them so you can sell their organs.dachau with a capitalist twist and the rest of the world does nothing because we are ALL hooked on China like junkies. I don't think the best horror writer in the world could come up with something that bleak.
I understand that. The point is that no one else is willing to put any hurt on China in any way for any reason.
There is an easy answer and it is to be the lesser of the two evils here.And what would the US gain out of "bombing the living fuck out of China"? You think the US participates in wars to be "the good guys"? And you do realize the reason why Communist China exists in the first place is because of western imperialism/conquest?
There no easy answers here, there probably isn't an answer at all, but the US piss-poor track record of "liberation" and the context of said "liberations" with the consequences produced afterwards doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
There is an easy answer and it is to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Up to and including asking China for help getting yourself re-elected. When Tarriffs in the first place are probably the China version of withholding funding for Ukraine as a quid pro quo.I understand that. The point is that no one else is willing to put any hurt on China in any way for any reason.
They don't care.I was just thinking this
China is a terrible terrible country. Their growing influence on the world is an awful thing.
Do Chinese citizens just not care?
Amazing how Trump's sheer pettiness changes the global economic landscape, huh?Obama tried to implement the TPP to curb Chain's growing power in the Pacific, which Trump scuttled US part in it once he became president.
There is an easy answer and it is to be the lesser of the two evils here.
Human rights abuses isn't an internal issue though, and slapping sanctions is also a way of internationally saying "We see what you're doing, we will take this non-military route.Other country will see it as an internal issue, similiar to Israel and Palestine, and Yeman war with the Saudie
And add to that, China is a nuclear power, any military action will just result in mutual destruction, and the people that are being persecuted are not a majority of any major power
Do you think the sanctions on Zimbabwe were successful?Human rights abuses isn't an internal issue though, and slapping sanctions is also a way of internationally saying "We see what you're doing, we will take this non-military route.
When Zimbabwe was abusing peoples human rights, seizing private property etc, they were sanctioned to hell and back. Rightfully so. Today they have the Highest inflation in the world, and their currency is in tatters, mostly stemming from the actions of that tyrant Robert Mugabe.
Not enough is being done here.
Pretty much. Sadly the cowards in Europe are to busy licking China's balls to join in.Trump's trade war vs China is the one thing I agree with him on, they need to be stepped to
It is economic suicide to sanction China sadly. The only reason our dumbass president is trying to fight them is that he doesn't care much about badly hurting our farms and other impacted industries. It's not even a moral stance, he just thinks China is bullying us on trade.Pretty much. Sadly the cowards in Europe are to busy licking China's balls to join in.
I agree. The only realistic hope the Uyghurs have are all the internal conflicts within China. Only if the internal problems are too big, Xi's government could crumble. It's a very small hope though.I've given up in even the notion of people-in-power taking action to fight back against this.
I get what you saying, but, realistically, even if our leaders weren't cowards who traded their kin for the financial benefits, what could've been done in this situation? The best I can think of is stop selling oil to China and limit their activities in a Muslim world and China most likely won't even feel the blow. Unfortunately, we stuck in a situation there no Muslim majority country in the world has a political or military weight to challenge a country like China, and there won't be any if our countries continue to develop in current trajectory.If we even bothered to be a strong nation again, none of this would happen, but we are governed by half men wannabe kings who care more to keep their thrones and amass an ungodly amount of wealth than to actually serve the Muslim nation. We're only strong against each other, pathetic.
The US made most of the western world pretty much not have any economic relationship with China for a quarter century, and it achieved nothing, outside of course imposing terrible hardship on common people (and it's not that China needed much help in that).I get what you saying, but, realistically, even if our leaders weren't cowards who traded their kin for the financial benefits, what could've been done in this situation? The best I can think of is stop selling oil to China and limit their activities in a Muslim world and China most likely won't even feel the blow. Unfortunately, we stuck in a situation there no Muslim majority country in the world has a political or military weight to challenge a country like China, and there won't be any if our countries continue to develop in current trajectory.
Yeah, as I said, China (the ruling elite to be more precise) most likely won't feel the blow, doesn't mean that their activities around the globe shouldn't be undermined at any given opportunity, economic pressure is the only thing the rest of the world can apply.The US made most of the western world pretty much not have any economic relationship with China for a quarter century, and it achieved nothing, outside of course imposing terrible hardship on common people (and it's not that China needed much help in that).
It was always a lie. The second it becomes inconvenient nations give up on doing the right thing.After WW2 everyone said we would never let those atrocities happen again, and yet here we are, turning a blind eye because china is throwing money at everyone.
I don't know what "undermine" mean, but let's say you manage to put China in a serious recession, how will that help anyone?Yeah, as I said, China (the ruling elite to be more precise) most likely won't feel the blow, doesn't mean that their activities around the globe shouldn't be undermined at any given opportunity, economic pressure is the only thing the rest of the world can apply.
Yeah, like the US invading and ostracising dozens of countries throughout history has worked so well and has not been its own form of genocide in the past.Invade and liberate. Or ostracize economically. Either way, the west would suffer. But we're too selfish to do anything. Times have changed.
I don't know what "undermine" mean, but let's say you manage to put China in a serious recession, how will that help anyone?
Your'e gonna blow up the world's economy, inflict enormous hardship on billions of people all over the world, and you're not gonna make the situation in Xinjiang any better.
You're not gonna regime change China with sanctions, you need to get off that dream.You know what undermine means. Economic sanctions would soften up the CCP since its economy is built on a course of cards, which would make it vulnerable to locals rising up against them. Open war is absolutely out of the question, sadly. It's better than doing absolutely nothing that you're proposing.
You're not gonna regime change China with sanctions, you need to get off that dream.
No regime change has ever worked like that, in fact, no regime change the US ever done ever managed to improve things.
You couldn't make it work in Grenada, China is not gonna be the country that break that streak.
You can justify literally anything if your bar is "something needs to be done".So rather than giving the government some political pressure to show the world isn't ok with genocide you want them to do...nothing?
You can justify literally anything if your bar is "something needs to be done".
But you got to understand that certain things can make things worse, even for the people you are trying to help.
Remember the sanctions on Iraq?
You think that they were good?
And Saddam was a bad man, he had torture chambers and rape palaces.
I mean, if things continue as they are soon there probably won't be people we are trying to help.You can justify literally anything if your bar is "something needs to be done".
But you got to understand that certain things can make things worse, even for the people you are trying to help.
I said a few times what I think the US can do, but I don't mind repeating again.You have a lot to say about my arguments, where's your advocacy for doing nothing? You're not even defending that stance.
Well, at the time it didn't help. But did help his rival faction in his own party to overthrow Mugabe, hence their new President today.Do you think the sanctions on Zimbabwe were successful?
Just like the sanctions on Iraq they inflicted enormous hardship on the people they were supposed to help, and achieved nothing outside making the west feel better that "it was doing something".
Pretty much. Sadly the cowards in Europe are to busy licking China's balls to join in.
We don't need China. China became what it is today (from an economical standpoint) because corporations and rich people wanted even more money. The west is perfectly capable of producing the vast majority of it's necessities on it's own or in other countries that aren't China. It's greed that keeps China afloat, nothing else.It is economic suicide to sanction China sadly. The only reason our dumbass president is trying to fight them is that he doesn't care much about badly hurting our farms and other impacted industries. It's not even a moral stance, he just thinks China is bullying us on trade.
There is nothing stupid about putting pressure on China. We are already witnessing what the constant European dicksucking achieved. China is growing more bold, more powerful and more genocidal every year. And this won't stay limited to China either. They're going to try to aggressively expand their hegemony in Asia as soon as they feel they can get away with it. Now it's Hong Kong, tomorrow Taiwan and the day after tomorrow some other Asian country.This is wrong, it's just that European leaders aren't as insurmountably stupid as the American President is.
So rather than giving the government some political pressure to show the world isn't ok with genocide you want them to do...nothing?
We don't need China. China became what it is today (from an economical standpoint) because corporations and rich people wanted even more money. The west is perfectly capable of producing the vast majority of it's necessities on it's own or in other countries that aren't China. It's greed that keeps China afloat, nothing else.
There is nothing stupid about putting pressure on China. We are already witnessing what the constant European dicksucking achieved. China is growing more bold, more powerful and more genocidal every year. And this won't stay limited to China either. They're going to try to aggressively expand their hegemony in Asia as soon as they feel they can get away with it. Now it's Hong Kong, tomorrow Taiwan and the day after tomorrow some other Asian country.
He was replaced by his vice president, after he fired him, and his vice president is also under personal sanctions (and the sanctions on Zimbabwe are still in place).Well, at the time it didn't help. But did help his rival faction in his own party to overthrow Mugabe, hence their new President today.
A few months ago Vice did a piece on the "vanishing Muslims" in China. Very chilling. It's a half hour watch and well worth the time. People are taken away during the night and Vice even got film of it, despite being followed often by some undercover people. There are cameras everywhere. Police stopped them regularly. The kids "schools" are locked up behind bars. Scary stuff.
I assume the person asking what Trump will do about it was trolling. To say he gives no fucks about it would be an understatement.