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CDPR is a transphobic company. It's time we stop making excuses for them.
- Thread starter Kyuuji
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Likewise I was especially surprised as they have both Ben and Bloodworth playing it and in a 40 minute discussion they said nothing about the issue. I've been disappointed on their lack of strong stances on anything this year though so maybe it's on me for being surprised.
Just saw your post, thanks for the update Kyuuji.
I can't tell you how many times I've said that exact sentence to myself.
it's worrying seeing this come from someone who is fairly far on the left with his chat doing a lot of "see, guess devs shouldn't even try if this is the reaction they get," as if anything about the game suggests that there was actual effort made for representation.
The fact that CDPR has managed to fool so many cis people into thinking genitals are the first step of trans rep is part of their lack of understanding, not an attempt at representation.
Or:
This thread about the transphobia of the game remains the only source of Cyberpunk discussion on the forum, highly monitored by staff, and you let all those people who want to take a head first trip into the woodchipper do so.
That's not at all what the last post in that thread said.
I highlighted in case anyone missed it. Anyone coming in here to talk about the game as if this is a regular thread is just trolling and dodging the policy to not discuss the game outside of its trans representation issues at this moment.
One post is being dense, multiple more after backlash is just pulling a Black Cauldren, who also got a pass for being dense.
If it starts hurting them financially then yeah probably. But right now they probably feel like they themselves stepping in and addressing it would just shine a bigger spotlight on it than reviews would.
well they were told no other threads about the game were allowed until mods "figured it out" and it's like the biggest release this year. should reviews be posted in such a thread? absolutely not. should a different thread be allowed to discuss the "album" (game)? I think so. The lack of update for hours and hours isn't good.
Still a little shocked by all the responses of "want to talk about the game (good bad or otherwise)? go somewhere else" in a gaming forum.
If there is one thing I love it's cis people explaining to me what is or isn't transphobic (in relation to Hasan not you).
I guess I made a mistake. Was going to take a break but wanted to see a post with my name change so I figured I would take a look and somehow someway this thread has gotten even worse so I am really out now at least until tommorow.
Trans lives matter more than game reviews/discussion. The fact that this thread is open while others are getting closed should be a reminder that the content of this game hurts the trans community, and this matters far more than any other discussion you could possibly have about CP2077 at this point.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Could potentially drop a non-statement about how inclusion matters to them if it starts hurting them financially, but even if they were to do that I'd give them a month at max before they're back to being publicly transphobic.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Could potentially drop a non-statement about how inclusion matters to them if it starts hurting them financially, but even if they were to do that I'd give them a month at max before they're back to being publicly transphobic.
They appear to have doubled down on it with the "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND BUY IT" Chromaticore ad. It's incredibly hard to see that as anything but a plausible deniability dogwhistle. "It's just showing the intense corporate disdain for consumers" they'll say... while they're really just actively engaging in that very thing towards the people that were calling out the original ad. I wonder how much say Mike Pondsmith had in what was going on in the game considering they seem to be completely missing the things he set out to do when he created the original world.
Yep, people like this is not dense. We all know what they're doing.
Yeah there's not a lot of acknowledgment of some of the counter points being made, digging in heels.
Ian talked about the issues briefly at one of the podcasts and the allies seemed to agree so i kinda expected something. Was really suprsied there wasn't any and they were just hyping the game for 40 minutes.
Days like this, feel it's a real shame that most of the more critical games sites have moved away from scored reviews.
I do wish HasanAbi would take a few minutes to better familiarize himself with the context of this discussion rather than...well, what he's doing right now.
I also thought that reviews were meant to be discussed here, which I found really weird of course but thought the mods agree to that with the trans community for some reason. They should definetly edit the post who is redirecting everyone here.
I want to clarify that I couldn't care less about discusing this review, I'm just saying this so this doesn't repeat.
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You realize this is already operative policy here, right? There's a whole list of games that you're not allowed to discuss on this forum and have to take discussions about elsewhere.
Hasan Piker : "This game has at least made accomodations to trans people"
Ok I take back what I said. This dude doesn't have a clue what he's saying and is just kneejerking reactions without thinking or reading through things properly. Hype has gone to his head and he's become defensive over Cyberpunk 2077. Some lefties just don't get intersectionality 🤦🏾
Ok I take back what I said. This dude doesn't have a clue what he's saying and is just kneejerking reactions without thinking or reading through things properly. Hype has gone to his head and he's become defensive over Cyberpunk 2077. Some lefties just don't get intersectionality 🤦🏾
I had to turn it off because listening to that indignant anger he gets when he feels like his chat is calling him out too much was giving me anxiety. He's still going?
Meanwhile, I'm still shocked people continue to sideline TransEra over a fucking video-game.
After everything that transpired, I really should not be, though.
Kyuuji you've done incredible work. Thanks so much for everything.
What's going on? I can't watch at the moment because I'm outside with my dog.
All I can say is I sort of disagree? If Taylor Swift ended up being a Hannibal Lector style serial killer, I don't see why we would need to allow threads here discussing if 1989 is better than Fearless or not.
I don't know much about him but I'm a bit confused listening. It's like that because there is choice in the character creation + it's a dystopian world, it excuses the total lack of humanization of trans perspectives.
Again I'm also trying to learn in real time here, but I just don't see how that argument squares.
If you are stupid enough to come in here and make a post that isn't related to the thread's topic you should eat a ban immediately. An OT doesn't prevent the stupidity/intentional bullshit taking place.
You don't need an OT.
Make a staff post that says that this thread is only for discussion of this topic, and any other discussion about the game will result in a ban.
If people can't read a staff post in this thread, having this magical paragraph in the OT won't do a damn thing either.
After yesterday's clusterfuck, the least they could do would be banning discussion of the game. And don't hide behind "We want to provide a space for marginalized members to discuss their experiences with the game."
Set up a Discord and actually moderate it.
Why MUST the game be discussed on site, unless the only true concern is how many clicks/ad views it will get?
hasans coverage of this article is infuriating. sounds like a chud dunking on totally valid points.
I'm referring to the gamespot one, which has a last post before the lock that points here and should probably be edited.
I'm assuming that's why so many appeared in the last hour or so posting reviews. Can't see them all being disrespectful on purpose.
They did. And the user in charge of the OT turned out to be a loser con artist causing this mess.
People coming in here, of all places, to talk about the game should stop and have patience to let the mods sort this.
There is a collection of quotes of the reviewers that did address earlier in the thread. (edit: its threadmarked) It really is disappointing at the overall coverage, but i hope its a step in the right direction.
I want to say Thanks to Trans-ERA and the community that did and continue to help bringing it to peoples attention. There are those of us that do pay attention and have a shred of sympathy and empathy to do what we can.
Yeah. It's frustrating. He's not acknowledging that the combination of the in-game ad, the lack of trans representation in-game with NPC's, and essentially leaving trans representation to your genitals since your gender is determined by your voice altogether lead to a fetishization of trans-ness. These are accommodations and representation in the strictest, most literal sense (which seems to be where he's ultimately arguing from), but this is a representation that may ultimately be damaging.
Seems like he's processing it in real time without the benefit of context. So his analysis is based on the idea that the genre itself makes space for this kind of tokenism for the purpose of showing off the side-effects of unchecked capitalism. Of course, thiscontext lacks all of the historical context regarding CDPR and this subject.
He's out of his depth at the moment because he hasn't spent any time on this situation. Biggest problem here is that he doesn't realize there's more to the story, so he's babbling about the little bit he does know and disinterested in finding out more before commenting further.
Hagi Bricks Jotakori Thanks y'all for clarifying on people suddenly moving to this thread. Like you said, it doesn't really explain some of the continual posts that followed the initial one, but at least explains where the confusion came from.
Regarding Hasan it's not too surprising though still disappointing that he's handling this situation terribly. Earlier in the thread somebody posted a video from last year and it was very much him dismissing the concerns that were raised following the Chromanticore ad being picked up. Disappointing that he doesn't seem to have learned anything since then, especially with how he seems to have blown up lately.
Regarding Hasan it's not too surprising though still disappointing that he's handling this situation terribly. Earlier in the thread somebody posted a video from last year and it was very much him dismissing the concerns that were raised following the Chromanticore ad being picked up. Disappointing that he doesn't seem to have learned anything since then, especially with how he seems to have blown up lately.
OT status update, and a reminder to stay on topic
Official Staff Communication
Cyberpunk 2077 OT will be going up by the end of the day. I'll personally be the one to post it myself. Please bear with me as I'm working around a real life schedule here. When it does go up, we will be setting some ground rules for the thread to ensure everything goes smoothly.
A separate review metascore thread will not be happening as we wish to limit the number of threads on this game. Reviews can be discussed in the OT.
Please keep this thread on the topic of CDPR's transphobia. Thank you.
A separate review metascore thread will not be happening as we wish to limit the number of threads on this game. Reviews can be discussed in the OT.
Please keep this thread on the topic of CDPR's transphobia. Thank you.
I'm trying to think of other media that will deal with these aspects of the game in the future. I have to imagine that The Besties will address these issues when they get around to discussing the game. The McElroys are known for making a concerted effort to understand the trans community and Chris Plante is the editor-in-chief at Polygon, so he likely had some involvement with Carolyn's review.
Anyone have any idea of other places that will likely engage in an insightful look at this to keep an eye on?
Anyone have any idea of other places that will likely engage in an insightful look at this to keep an eye on?
I love hasan but it's clear that he is speaking from a place of privilege and is refusing to take any valid criticism. awful stuff.
Edit: my post originally also quoted another post that was saved in my draft queue. This was unintended and sorry for any notifications.
It doesn't square. It's "be happy with what you got" dressed up in less abrupt language.
Yeah he changed his tune a little when people pointed out the whole cosplayer thing.