I don't get why this was pettiness. Is this inherently petty or am I missing something?Maybe he did and he was still confused. There's no need for this pettiness when a user is clearly trying to learn more about the issue.
I don't get why this was pettiness. Is this inherently petty or am I missing something?Maybe he did and he was still confused. There's no need for this pettiness when a user is clearly trying to learn more about the issue.
Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. People just use buzzwords, insults, and proudly proclaim there is no discussion to be had. Every single time, doesnt matter what we are talking about. It's very strange that people dont see the problem with how this forum handles these type of topics.there is no discussion to be had because what i said was what gamergate is about.
If the topic is "Is Gamergate a hate & harassment movement aimed at any vocal women, gay people, transgender people, black & other minorities and their supporters who are striving for progressive values and better & more diverse representation in entertainment?", then there is no discussion to be had. It was a hate & harassment movement from the very start.I think we need to have a discussion on what's up with this board on any night with topics like these. People kinda just throw out buzzwords, use mods, and act like there is no discussion to be had.
It's almost like what's the point. And no I dont support GamerGate lol, if you think that's what I'm implying
This one seems kinda purposeful to be honest. Like the guy wanted to see if he could get away with it in direct reference to the other guy.
I dont think the assume your gender guy meant any harm by it. And GamerGate is a bigger cluster fuck then most people on resetera are willing to admit. To this day, I really dont think it means the same thing to everyone. Probably one of the worst movements in this century. And of course it's about games lol. Accomplished nothing and stood for nothing of note
I don't get why this was pettiness. Is this inherently petty or am I missing something?
I don't have a discussion, as someone who has been criticised for the colour of his skin throughout my life. I can fully relate to how people would and should be angry. Of course you shouldn't have bigots shitting up the thread, but at the same time shutting down everyone who doesn't have the same strong opinion as you doesn't give them a chance to discuss why they are indifferent. Allowing that discussion to take place may allow them to be enlightened to the cause. All that has happened is that discussion is now unavailable to them, and they are of the same opinion as when they were before getting banned.
go for it ~Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. People just use buzzwords, insults, and proudly proclaim there is no discussion to be had. Every single time, doesnt matter what we are talking about. It's very strange that people dont see the problem with how this forum handles these type of topics.
And hell, I mostly agree with you. Gamergate was/is a trash movement. But there is a tad more nuance then people are willing to admit. Or at least not everyone who fell for that nonsense hates women, gays, and minorities. There is some discussion to be had.
Even if everyone in this thread did agree that transphobia is bad and all the posts were in agreement, there is still a discussion to be had. For example: why are CDPR not doing anything about these tweets, what can we do as a community to draw attention to the fact CDPR haven't done anything about these tweets, as well as educating people on CDPR's connection to GOG and to answer those with genuine questions.So are we saying that unless you want to talk negatively about the OP you have no reason to be in here, and may risk getting banned? There's no discussion to be had then, it's just an echo chamber with everyone saying the same thing.
Do you actually think anyone who feels the need to proclaim their indifference has any intention of having a reasonable discussion on the topic? Why is this a 'position' that needs to be elevated and discussed in the first place?I don't have a discussion, as someone who has been criticised for the colour of his skin throughout my life. I can fully relate to how people would and should be angry. Of course you shouldn't have bigots shitting up the thread, but at the same time shutting down everyone who doesn't have the same strong opinion as you doesn't give them a chance to discuss why they are indifferent. Allowing that discussion to take place may allow them to be enlightened to the cause. All that has happened is that discussion is now unavailable to them, and they are of the same opinion as when they were before getting banned.
How is it petty when you yourself admit you didn't seek the full context? You admit you skipped over the context, but apparently it's petty to point out that it was right under your nose?You were very petty yes, but I imagine justifiably in many peoples eyes
As previously said, its clear I skipped over the ma
latter part of the tweet, which shows the obvious intent in their words.
With that being said, the way Era handles simple things like this is similar to a witch hunt
Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. People just use buzzwords, insults, and proudly proclaim there is no discussion to be had. Every single time, doesnt matter what we are talking about. It's very strange that people dont see the problem with how this forum handles these type of topics.
And hell, I mostly agree with you. Gamergate was/is a trash movement. But there is a tad more nuance then people are willing to admit. Or at least not everyone who fell for that nonsense hates women, gays, and minorities. There is some discussion to be had.
No lol, I'll get banned.
I don't have a discussion, as someone who has been criticised for the colour of his skin throughout my life. I can fully relate to how people would and should be angry. Of course you shouldn't have bigots shitting up the thread, but at the same time shutting down everyone who doesn't have the same strong opinion as you doesn't give them a chance to discuss why they are indifferent. Allowing that discussion to take place may allow them to be enlightened to the cause. All that has happened is that discussion is now unavailable to them, and they are of the same opinion as when they were before getting banned.
You're making the assumption and the decision for them that they don't want to have that discussion.Do you actually think anyone who feels the need to proclaim their indifference has any intention of having a reasonable discussion on the topic? Why is this a 'position' that needs to be elevated and discussed in the first place?
Not every shitty personal view is something that needs to be given a platform on here.
Their original post made that abundantly clear.You're making the assumption and the decision for them that they don't want to have that discussion.
I don't have a discussion, as someone who has been criticised for the colour of his skin throughout my life. I can fully relate to how people would and should be angry. Of course you shouldn't have bigots shitting up the thread, but at the same time shutting down everyone who doesn't have the same strong opinion as you doesn't give them a chance to discuss why they are indifferent. Allowing that discussion to take place may allow them to be enlightened to the cause. All that has happened is that discussion is now unavailable to them, and they are of the same opinion as when they were before getting banned.
I think there is a reasonable discussion to be had about what CDPR does from here? Once could be a rogue employee, twice could be that coupled with bad management. 3 times makes me think there is something rotten within the company and they need to weed it out.
When the department of a company directly responsible for communicating with the general public and press continually puts out transphobic messages, with no evident change in oversight or approach after several incidents in a row, I think it's ok to suggest that those are the messages the company is happy with its name being behind.No lol, I'll get banned.And I'm only half joking
Anyways, I dont really want to talk about gamergate. Like I said, terrible movement, started bad, ended bad. Accomplished nothing good that i can think of.
That said, I can see how someone who wasnt on resetera (neogaf) really had a different perspective on it. I wouldnt really make sweeping generalizations about CDPR and the country of Poland for tweeting it.
yes you do.Had I skipped over it out of spite you may have a point, but your initial post and follow up were very very petty, I don't think you can defend that at all.
I'm quite sure many would read the entire thing and still seek some clarity from those more familiar with the subject, but to then be met with vitriol well... It's not helpful.
Lastly my use of the word Witch Hunt, well on that regard I have no idea what to say. I'm sorry if the phrase has offensive connotation I'm not aware of.
It wasn't used by me to dismiss transphobic concerned, it's being used by me to highlight the behaviour of many Era members in topics like this regarding political and social issues whenever someone unfamiliar with the issue comments something they find doesn't align with how they feel.
No, this is not a witch hunt. A witch hunt by definition is placing judgment based on something that doesn't exist. That is what the right is doing. Looking for or claiming the existence of bogeymen where there is none.You were very petty yes, but I imagine justifiably in many peoples eyes
As previously said, its clear I skipped over the ma
latter part of the tweet, which shows the obvious intent in their words.
With that being said, the way Era handles simple things like this is similar to a witch hunt
what questions are there to ask? OP was pretty clear and there's not a lot to discuss unless you're one of the people who want to come in here and talk about how much it doesn't affect you, in which case I, and rightfully others, are going to speak up. (general you, for clarification)This was a stupid, tone-deaf tweet by someone who I'd like to think was ignorant, rather than hateful. Whatever the reason, it shouldn't have happened and I don't blame people for wanting to boycott CDPR products now.
That said, the bans being thrown around on here are a bit ridiculous though. There's no need to stifle discussion unless something offensive has occurred, you shouldn't ban people for asking questions.
You're obviously talking about a specific post. I'm talking about the general vibe of the thread. I'm not going to go back and forth and I'm not here to derail the point of the thread. I may be naive in my thinking, but I'm just saying shutting down indifferent people immediately seems counterintuitive in trying to make people see sense, rather than just a bunch of like minded people agreeing with each other.
This was a stupid, tone-deaf tweet by someone who I'd like to think was ignorant, rather than hateful. Whatever the reason, it shouldn't have happened and I don't blame people for wanting to boycott CDPR products now.
That said, the bans being thrown around on here are a bit ridiculous though. There's no need to stifle discussion unless something offensive has occurred, you shouldn't ban people for asking questions.
Anyone putting out PR material on social media literally does represent the company, that's the job. If it was a one-off, perhaps you can argue that someone who really shouldn't be doing communications slipped through the net. That this is the third time now shows that management has no interest in perhaps making sure the person representing them isn't a bigoted fuckwit.Very foolish and offensive tweets. I'd like to think the person running their social media accounts doesn't represent the views of the majority of the studio (or GOG). Gonna be keeping a close eye on how this develops.
so what is your intentNo, no in don't. I think you need to understand not everyone delved as deeply into political or social issues as you do.
Or perhaps aren't from a place where such issues are at the forefront.
Aside from 10 minutes ago, I had no idea the term "Witch Hunt" was so maligned. I'll be honest and say I still don't understand why likening something to a historical act is somehow prejudice of me but not using that phrase hardly ruins my day.
That being said your post is proof of the complain I made. Instead of communicating and listening you instead jump on top of me accusing me of having ill intent, which I'm sure you've gathered from having some intimate knowledge of me as a person
The second sentence really makes the whole thing comes off as particularly snide. If they didn't mean that either then wow this PR person really needs to learn PR.This was a stupid, tone-deaf tweet by someone who I'd like to think was ignorant, rather than hateful. Whatever the reason, it shouldn't have happened and I don't blame people for wanting to boycott CDPR products now.
That said, the bans being thrown around on here are a bit ridiculous though. There's no need to stifle discussion unless something offensive has occurred, you shouldn't ban people for asking questions.
Who was banned for asking a question? I only see bans for people saying they don't care/it doesn't matter.
I guess I am saying that I hope most of the people who work at CDPR/GoG don't have the same mindset as the person making these tweets. I'm not sure if management had a clue these were going up, let alone condoning them.Anyone putting out PR material on social media literally does represent the company, that's the job. That this is the third time now shows that management has no interest in perhaps making sure the person representing them isn't a bigoted fuckwit.
Who was banned for asking a question? I only see bans for people saying they don't care/it doesn't matter.
That's not really how social media management works. You work within the definitions of the company, yes, but you don't usually answer directly to the top brass (unless it's a smaller company). You are essentially a marketing/support branch of the company, and those are usually the people you work with. That said, their continued fuckups seem to me to be the biggest problem. If this was a one-time deal you might be able to explain it via cultural ignorance and stupidity, but at some point you'd expect the social team and the company at large to train better to avoid these situations. Instead, they seem to have adopted this "edgy attempts at humor" and it has backfired on them continually. It's not funny, it's alienating and demeaning.I refuse to believe anyone is actually naive enough to believe that this is a problem with the social media team. A social media manager's job is to speak on behalf of the company, and it could not be any more obvious that they've been doing exactly that. CDPR is a company that supports Gamergate and intolerance towards trans people. This is not ambiguous. Stop pretending to be dumb to excuse the behavior of your darling developers.
If we cannot present opposing opinions, It turns a discussion into a rally, and a rally into a witch hunt. How long will it be before you burn me at the stake for this post, I wonder?
"I'm just a natural contrarian lol why can't I just say I don't care isn't this a discussion board lol" is the reason he got banned, among concern trolling.
Because saying you don't care about trans people or that jokes about trans people don't bother you, that's against the terms of service of this website.I think it's still a little ridiculous that having an opinion is a bannable offence on a discussion board. It creates the kind of echo chamber that people accuse Era of being. If people are allowed to say they're upset then why aren't people allowed to say it doesn't bother them or that they aren't upset? That's utterly one sided.
If we cannot present opposing opinions, It turns a discussion into a rally, and a rally into a witch hunt. How long will it be before you burn me at the stake for this post, I wonder?
No, this is not a witch hunt. A witch hunt by definition is placing judgment based on something that doesn't exist. That is what the right is doing. Looking for or claiming the existence of bogeymen where there is none.
Transphobia, homophobia, racism, sexism. It all exists and deserves to be criticized and called out.
The term comes from the persecution of women, backed by religion. That it's then been repurposed hundreds of years later by bigots, apologists for sexual predators and fundamentalists, claiming that it's hard to exist as a privileged white guy in the 21st century when their behaviour is called out, is a ridiculous assumption of victimhood and plea for sympathy as political cover and by the powerful, and not exactly difficult to see why the term shouldn't be used by such people. I've probably used it in the past as you have, but it's modern context in 2018, following its relatively recent use as above, is even more loaded.No, no in don't. I think you need to understand not everyone delved as deeply into political or social issues as you do.
Or perhaps aren't from a place where such issues are at the forefront.
Aside from 10 minutes ago, I had no idea the term "Witch Hunt" was so maligned. I'll be honest and say I still don't understand why likening something to a historical act is somehow prejudice of me but not using that phrase hardly ruins my day.
That being said your post is proof of the complain I made. Instead of communicating and listening you instead jump on top of me accusing me of having ill intent, which I'm sure you've gathered from having some intimate knowledge of me as a person