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CDP tweets trash tweet about trans people AGAIN this time from GOG (Read OP)
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Because it creates a cognitive dissonance that's all is fine and peachy. And also it greatly insults our trans users here.
People already pointed it out multiple times but CDPR is located in Poland, a deeply christian country where a lot of people find the concept of trans people or homosexuality in general foreign. disclaimer NOT ALL POLISH PEOPLE, before a certain someone tries to put words in my mouth again.
You said CDPR won't change unless they move out of the country.
I come from a Christian country that happens to be mostly ok with progress of the people. Like most other countries, like half the USA despite their horrible president and his horrible, horrible ideas.
How can you think Poland's immigration policies are to blame here?
A company's social commentary has nothing to do with their location or the religion that the people there follow.
Let's see... Marginalized groups whose very existence are being threatened versus employees who have the option to choose the company they work for.
I get what you're trying to say and I do not condone working your employees that way but these comparisons are a bit disingenuous.
User Banned (5 days): Downplaying transphobia as tone deaf, ignoring mod post
Yeah definitely tone deaf and a stupid idea but that's not trashing trans people.
The difference is that it's a helluva lot easier to condemn publicly-stated transphobia on a company's official account than shitty workplace conditions which permeate every facet of this industry, not just Rockstar.
A debate on workplace culture and reform is worth having (read: needs to happen), and Rockstar and similar companies need their feet held to the fire. But that's a far bigger and more complicated discussion than "Hey, how fucking hard is it to not be a bigot?"
Sorry, again, I want to see the receipts for that speculation. Any time people are considering if CDPR should be banned for it, they're thinking about the tweet and whether it's serious enough to merit a ban. Not even considering to ban them jumps directly to the conclusion that it isn't.
Been following this thread and felt I needed to post this. As one of the people to most quickly and vocally condemn how era can at times treat the trans community and issues (especially for being one of the most progressive forums for this hobby) and complaining that posts that would get insta banned for targeting other minorities get away with it in trans threads (most recent example of me complaining as such was the thread in OT on the Canadian cyclist) I am actully impressed on how quickly the mod team has declared zero tolerance and so far followed through. I feel it's just as important to praise as condemn, so thank you Mod team in general and Bronson (since the policy post was from his account) in particular.
I am grateful and truly thank you, and it makes me hope the site is getting better, which makes me feel good which is nice, especially considering the personal turmoil the Trump Administration's attack on the community has caused me.
Also as an aside, stop wit the "rouge social media person" "their views don't reflect the company" bullshit. Their job is literally to be the public facing voice of the company and three times with half assed we're sorry you were offended, or we accidentally put a date and phrase and image that are very specific together accidentily non apologies and no other discernible discipline means the people in charge do know what's being said and are comfortable with that being their voice, so I have to conclude transphobia is CDPR's official company line.
I am grateful and truly thank you, and it makes me hope the site is getting better, which makes me feel good which is nice, especially considering the personal turmoil the Trump Administration's attack on the community has caused me.
Also as an aside, stop wit the "rouge social media person" "their views don't reflect the company" bullshit. Their job is literally to be the public facing voice of the company and three times with half assed we're sorry you were offended, or we accidentally put a date and phrase and image that are very specific together accidentily non apologies and no other discernible discipline means the people in charge do know what's being said and are comfortable with that being their voice, so I have to conclude transphobia is CDPR's official company line.
Hard to disagree with this. As much as they dont want to be associated with Sugiyama, they arent doing enough to make up for the damage that he causes, or even trying that hard to distance themselves from him. It gives a terrible outlook.
Regardless of how you feel about GoG as a company, the fact is that this is the THIRD time. Either they 1) don't give a shit 2) keep hiring degenerates to manage their social media 3) are in on it. Get the message already.
This whataboutism to defend cdpr should be bannable. Stop deflecting to defend your precious company
"Instead"? Why would it be an either / or? And more crucially, how would ResetEra banning it not be setting an example to make it easier for other sites to follow?
WTF now I want to ban discussion of all problematic gaming devs
That does not preclude them for hiring someone that specifically avoids this issue from the first two times.
"but my games" will be enough for over half this forum to justify still purchasing this game from this garbage company or still using gog
It doeant do either if we have productive conversations like in this thread. That's the point, we can have a discussion on shitty creators but also discuss the game itself. Both should be possible.
I would welcome this. Problem is going to be people convincing themselves of reason why would be ok, because its a product they want. I see it all the time on here. The latest being watching people convince themselves to biy red dead even though they want to stand against the crunch and work environment.
I guess if the admins just did it and banned those who tried or something it could work. I mean three times is enough. How many times can a company who is obviously toxic, get away with this shit?
This is my stance, as well. This is at least four separate instances now brought to our attention. This is reflective of the company as a whole at this point.
And I believe that's that tone the Doom trailer was going for a few months back.
I'm very disappointed but it's hard to say that I'm shocked
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The point I was trying to make is that, unless games are explicit about their politics, e.g. Dontnod's LIS2, it's hard to make any conclusions on the politics of the company based on the art. Kingdom: Come Deliverance's writing doesn't betray the director's abhorrent political views. KIDS SEE GHOSTS' EP doesn't feature Kanye beating his chest for Trump. It gets even more tough when companies are huge, like CDPR is now.
Rockstar's politics have always been tough to figure out (although I suspect libertarian) given how violent and caustic a lot of their game worlds are. I was recently playing GTAIV just because I wanted to explore their version of Manhattan, and I was surprised to hear open transphobic and homophobic jokes on the in-game radio, even as the game seems to take steps to represent minorities and women more fairly than its contemporaries.
Anyway, I'm not arguing for CDPR. They've fucked up enough times that it seems like they're not willing to open their sensitivity training to protect the broad audiences their products serve, and it seems especially egregious since their next product is supposed to take place in a dystopic America. I wouldn't be opposed to a discussion ban on CDPR.
Its really going to be hard to sell a game based around the future when their internal company mindset is stuck in a pre 2000s one.
Also like on the business end, how stupid do you have to be? Like how do you not know this will get people mad? Hopefully the dude gets fired if anything
Also like on the business end, how stupid do you have to be? Like how do you not know this will get people mad? Hopefully the dude gets fired if anything
I'd love to hear which country and if it's even remotely comparable to the almost 1000 year old culture of Poland.
American social issues aren't comparable to european ones, at all. America is like 100% more diverse than Poland ever was and probably ever will be, both in a racial and religious context.
Poland's immigration policies are just another example of the countries overall conservative stances. I don't try to blame anything on anyone.
When the majority of your company is made of people who were born and raised in said country it has something to do with it indeed. That company's social commentary is made by human beings and the fact this has occured several times now should tell you something.
If you'd excuse me, I'm going to sleep now.
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Saw this dance before with Linked-In, pre-emptive reminder
There's a lot of industry people present here in the same way there's a lot of industry people present on Twitter and Reddit. Gaf->internet->Gaf was born in a time when there weren't multiple popular avenues of a creator talking directly to a consumer and having a nice and accessible sample size to get feedback from. Era is active and has an impressive userbase for a forum created in 2017, but it's not one of the pillars of the industry like Gaf was at its height. It's just another avenue for feedback, and a largely insignificant one at that compared to the social media giants that have since engulfed it as they have nearly all forums.
Frankly, I don't see an issue at all with an "infinitely discussable and divisive controversy"; more visibility is always better. Anything better than doing nothing, let it slip through the cracks again and have everyone forget about it in one month. Hell, "infinitely divisive and discussable controversy" is what we have going at the female sexualization thread and it's been really positive for a lot of people!
I guess its really hard to find a good social media person nowadays.
Ummm, if you're not a mod, you shouldn't be using the red font colour in a situation like this. I had to double-take to make sure this wasn't a mod warning. Yes, the reds aren't quite the same, but still, this is obviously back-seat modding.
It can be both, and probably should, what I meant is that people shouldn't want the discussion on the game be banned here and decided that's enough. Banning it here could percolate to outside this community, but I believe that members should also talk to game journalists from different outlets and see what they think/will do about it. I'd actually love to see some of those journalists that have accounts here participating in the discussion, but I understand if they don't.
And, being completely honest, after the Sugiyama stuff, I don't think much will come out of this. Discussion on the game won't be banned, but a big red warning will be present in every thread. All the news sites will preview/review the game and it will receive many GOTY awards. And people will forget.
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