Whiteness can't be based on skin color because it hasn't ever included all light-skinned peoples.You say arbitrary as if there are non-arbitrary definitions out there.
I think you may be using a different definition of "culture" than is commonly understood? Culture is typically thought of in terms of artistic output and food and customs, that sort of thing.The concept of a white people was borne specifically as a sociopolitical power play to keep poor whites from establishing camaraderie with indentured and enslaved peoples. People have been accepted into the group of whiteness not because of similarities in skin color (again, the British did not and still in some ways don't fuck with the Irish, even though they're both white) but based upon political convenience of having these various cultures be added to the fold.
So you tell me what "white culture" is. If it is something that can be defined, it's not a legacy that bodes well, especially in the context of black and brown folks' experiences.
Do you think Germans put out the same food and art as Italians, who in turn put out the same food and art as the Irish? Hell, do Texans have the same culture as New Englanders? No. But somehow they're all "white."I think you may be using a different definition of "culture" than is commonly understood? Culture is typically thought of in terms of artistic output and food and customs, that sort of thing.
I agree, I shouldn't have started with the "no" it was poorly worded on my part. Anyhow, appreciated, you had me mildy mad with your comment haWhat I'm saying is that to call that anything other than racism is wrong that's what I'm getting at. I didn't mean to call you out specifically I have just seen this multiple times in this thread, sorry about that.
It doesn't have to be institutional racism to be racist. It can be what most people outside of the forum consider it. A hatred for a skin color.Yes, of course. People can always be terrible towards one another, and in small situations can wield hatred and stereotypes. But there's little if any institutional racism directed at we white people.
Fine could they experience a deep hatred from another person who is not white simply because they are white? Yes or no?Hispanic in the south here.
Its not the same. White people are the benefactors of systemic oppression. The acts and implications are completely different in the extreme outlier case when white people are victimized... so much so that I can't take this question in good faith. They can experience someone people shitty to them. They cannot experience racism in the way that's actually culturally relevant.
It doesn't have to be institutional racism to be racist. It can be what most people outside of the forum consider it. A hatred for a skin color.
Pretty much.
You're mixing up race and nationalities. There are white Germans and black Germans. Anything either did would be "German."Do you think Germans put out the same food and art as Italians, who in turn put out the same food and art as the Irish? But somehow they're all "white."
Why?
If they have white skin they are white, because to define a white Race would be Very complicated and Impossible, they are accepted as white in Brazil. But yeah they arent accepted in the white club in Europe and US, the same happens with white latinos.
So, what about Srebrenica? No racism involved there?
I hadn't thought about this before. Thank you.Do you think Germans put out the same food and art as Italians, who in turn put out the same food and art as the Irish? Hell, do Texans have the same culture as New Englanders? No. But somehow they're all "white."
Why? What is whiteness?
So what is white culture?You're mixing up race and nationalities. There are white Germans and black Germans. Anything either did would be "German."
I wouldn't expect an average Era user to know anything about chetniks or Serbian nationalism in general.
For which country? Race is a sub culture to national culture (white and black Americans share more in common culturally than with people that share their race from other countries).
I feel like people forget that America and Europe's long history of dominating the world, and cultural hegemony that has become even more prevalent in the 20th century (Hollywood hello?), has put white people in a place where they are generally seen in a positive light, a superior one, even in parts of the world where they'd be minorities (IE: Asia, Africa, etc).
Don't underestimate the power of cultural hegemony and its impact on white privilege. This is why white people are easily adopted in Asian countries, heck, I've even seen stories about how some Asian companies like to employ token white people over Asian people to make them look "fancier".
White cultural hegemony is worldwide at this point, and clearly not restricted to America & Europe only.
Let's just go with America, for the sake of argument. What is white American culture?For which country? Race is a sub culture to national culture (white and black Americans share more in common culturally than with people that share their race from other countries).
Point is that in US it seems all whites are considered as one big monolith. In europe that really isn't so. You can be definitely be discriminated despite being white. Even systematically. Just 80 years ago germans tried to exterminate most of slavs because of their race. Today you still see systematical racism against roma people. It's not as black and white as in US.
I feel like people forget that America and Europe's long history of dominating the world, and cultural hegemony that has become even more prevalent in the 20th century (Hollywood hello?), has put white people in a place where they are generally seen in a positive light, a superior one, even in parts of the world where they'd be minorities (IE: Asia, Africa, etc).
Don't underestimate the power of cultural hegemony and its impact on white privilege. This is why white people are easily adopted in Asian countries, heck, I've even seen stories about how some Asian companies like to employ token white people over Asian people to make them look "fancier".
White cultural hegemony is worldwide at this point, and clearly not restricted to America & Europe only.
People probaby got banned for it on here before during heated arguments.
I dunno, isn't it intrinsically difficult to define a culture while you're in it? But clearly there are differences in white and black cultures in America, or else it wouldn't be possible to appropriate black culture.Let's just go with America, for the sake of argument. What is white American culture?
See, I agree with you but do have a question or two. Do you consider these examples to be white-on-white racism? Because when the context is Africa, it's dressed up as tribalism or ethnic conflict.
The thing is not liking white people when you are black can't just be seen as racism. Like South Africa where a lot of discrimination to white people goes on. There is a reason why many black people there act that way, due to history.People probaby got banned for it on here before during heated arguments.