Yeah, the exclusives were great. It was the completely surface-of-Mars barren months in between those excellent games that made the Wii U a trash system.
This is an important point. With Nintendo, you cant really afford to be picky. If you dont like platformers or lighthearted, whimsical Nintendo games, there really isnt much out there for you. With the other consoles, you have tons of games in every genre, you can discard entire categories and still be spoilt for choice.Even first party was pretty pathetic. If you don't love literally every single game that Nintendo makes then there were huge periods of time you were just stuck with nothing. I think there around 5 games in total on the console that I enjoyed.
New Super Mario Bros U is one of the best Mario 2d platformers in the entire series. I'd argue the best. Leading with it as the only major title was a mistake, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game compared to the other 2d games, it certainly wasn't a step down.
I'm always ready to say that game is much better than any Persona game after P2. It just has (MUCH) better gameplay, better dungeons, better art design and while the writing isn't anything out of this world, at least it's better than Persona trying to pass off as progressive and being conservative as hell.Someone call Nintendo and Atlus and get Tokyo Mirage Sessions on the Switch. It deserves a chance on a console that's actually selling.
They can only make so many games in a limited amount of time. I don't know what you were expecting. There were a bunch of great 1st party games. Xenoblade X, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, DKCR Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Captain Toad, Splatoon, Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101, Hyrule Warriors, Mario Maker, Wind Waker HD, Twilight Princess HD, Pokken, Tokyo Mirage Session, Smash 4.Nintendo should have fixed that. It's their console, it's their responsibility to make sure games are on it. If they can't get 3rd party games, then they have to ramp up their own games in a major way. They couldn't do either.
New Super Mario Bros U is one of the best Mario 2d platformers in the entire series. I'd argue the best. Leading with it as the only major title was a mistake, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game compared to the other 2d games, it certainly wasn't a step down.
Notice the lack of metroid, animal crossing, fire emblem, mainline kirby, and mainline zelda before the end in your list?They can only make so many games in a limited amount of time. I don't know what you were expecting. There were a bunch of great 1st party games. Xenoblade X, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, DKCR Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Captain Toad, Splatoon, Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101, Hyrule Warriors, Mario Maker, Wind Waker HD, Twilight Princess HD, Pokken, Tokyo Mirage Session, Smash 4.
Yes, Nintendo failed getting 3rd parties on board which left gaps in their game releases. I'm not arguing that the Wii U wasn't a failed console because it obviously was. The first party lineup was great though. I don't think there's really a single console out there that could be carried by its first party titles alone. That doesn't make its first party lineup bad though.
Absolutely. I had more fun with TMS than I did with any Persona game. The gameplay, story, tone, mood, and reverence for Fire Emblem and MegaTen all really shine and it's one of the best RPGs Atlus has ever made.I'm always ready to say that game is much better than any Persona game after P2. It just has (MUCH) better gameplay, better dungeons, better art design and while the writing isn't anything out of this world, at least it's better than Persona trying to pass off as progressive and being conservative as hell.
If that game was a multiplat title named "Persona Whatever" it would have a 90+ MC score.
Notice the lack of metroid, animal crossing, fire emblem, mainline kirby, and mainline zelda before the end in your list?
Branding. Several casual players I've talked to seriously didn't know the Wii U was the sequel to the Wii. They either thought it was the same thing or an add-on.
Then you have a bunch of trash like Mario Party, Animal Crossing, Starfox Zero (probably the worst game Nintendo has ever published), Wario Ware, The Devil's Third, Wonderful 101, Hyrule Warriors, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Xenoblade X
Yea but I was responding to him saying "not sure what you were expecting." I don't think it was unreasonable to expect at least games from major first party series.I don't think the OP is arguing that it didn't have many games. That's an argument most of us would agree with.
The OP seems to be arguing that the games it did have, mainly the first party exclusives, were not good games.
EDIT: Oh nevermind I didn't see the OP's edit.
Then you have a bunch of trash like Animal Crossing, Hyrule Warriors, Xenoblade X
Yea but I was responding to him saying "not sure what you were expecting." I don't think it was unreasonable to expect at games from major first party series.
This so much. It was everything other than first party games is why it failed. Also, 3rd party titles were irrelevant on WiiU - why would anyone even buy a 3rd party title on the system when it was vastly underpowered and had an awkward controller compared to PS4/Xbox? There was no hook like portability with the Switch.Of course it had good games.
It had a better first party line-up than XBO has had this generation.
But the difference is that it had fuck all third party support.
Wii U also failed because it was a shit underpowered console, stupid ugly-ass GamePad controller, terrible marketing, basically everything about Wii U was shit except the first party games - which were great.
They can only make so many games in a limited amount of time. I don't know what you were expecting. There were a bunch of great 1st party games. Xenoblade X, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8, DKCR Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Captain Toad, Splatoon, Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101, Hyrule Warriors, Mario Maker, Wind Waker HD, Twilight Princess HD, Pokken, Tokyo Mirage Session, Smash 4.
Switch is on the same road, at least it has a good Mario game though. Nobody admits that the Switch is a dud because of all the overpriced indie games/indie trashware that people love anyway, because YEAH! Nintendo!
Thats one thing the brand loyalty carries Nintendo through all of it's blunders, for better or worse, for the Switch it's WORSE.
I'd argue it had good games, just very few and far between and almost none (Except mario kart and smash) that had mass market appeal, or even core gamer appeal for the that matter.