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Can people of color be racist / women be sexist?
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That is the absolute most ridiculous opinion I have ever heard of.
That's the thing though, it's not. It is an accepted academic position to take. As mentioned before in the thread - some people feel that many of the isms require power.
Yes, I think my dead, Mexican grandma who hated black people and only wanted her daughters to marry whites and Jews was in fact racist.
Of course. People that belong to the discriminated group can still contribute to the injustice towards that group.
We all live in a racist and sexist society and to different degrees internalize those issues.
Usually, belonging to a group makes you more understanding and gives you first hand insight. But it affects every one
We all live in a racist and sexist society and to different degrees internalize those issues.
Usually, belonging to a group makes you more understanding and gives you first hand insight. But it affects every one
So a homeless POC cannot possibly be racist even if they absolutely hate other races?
You don't require any power to be racist. That's illogical.
A lot of Mexicans and Hispanics have a uh, hard time when it comes to black people. Lots of prejudice there.
Yes. I think it's important to say that poc can contribute towards racism towards poc.
But a poc having prejudiced views about white people is not "racism" in any equivalent sense. Racism is about power and prejudice. Not just prejudice.
My dude...why are you fighting me? I'm just pointing that his girl's position is one taken in some academic circles.
See. This is what I meant about threads like this one. It always comes down to this particular point. People who go by the academic one and others with a strong reaction against it.
It comes down to how you define racism. And if you include bigotry/prejudice within it or keep it strictly related to institutional power.
Neither of you is strictly correct.
Depends on direction. Prejudice by black people against white people is not racist.
Prejudice by Hispanics and black people against black people is racist. Why? Because it falls within the feamwork of white supremacy.
Poc doesn't make you immune from being racist. Being white makes you immune from experiencing racism
Anyone else find it odd when someone would use the term "reverse-racism" to describe someone being racist toward a white person?
Always seemed like a boomer term to me.
Always seemed like a boomer term to me.
People can even be racist/self hating against their own even!
From my personal experience: self hating Jews.
From my personal experience: self hating Jews.
I don't think you're completely correct about the academic position. A poc cant be racist against whites, but poc can be racist against poc.
Sorry but while pithy this is just vapid.
Yes everyone can be prejudiced, but racism is defined by structural inequality. Prejudice not the same as racist
Actually, if you can elaborate/clear it up better for me, I'd appreciate it. I'm flying off the cuff here when I should be sourcing (which I can't do in the middle of short breaks at work).
(I just realised I should clear it up and mention the: "prejudice + power" position rather than the word vomit I have above or make it seem like it's universally accepted in academic circles)
Individuals of any color can hold power and economic sway. The question is whether individual POC can be racist.
Contributes to white supremacy, subjugation of poc equals racist. So black cops shooting black men can be the result of racism.
A POC having prejudiced views about white people is prejudice. It's not racism. Racism happens when there's prejudice and power.
PoC being racist toward other minorities contributes toward white supremacy but they'll never ride the wind off of it. A PoC being prejudice toward a white person will never be equal to the inverse because of the persistent overarching dynamic at play.
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That's not racism. Just prejudice.
Poc sailing using the wind is racism in your analogy.
Does ... does she know how common it is for Asians to hate black people for absolutely no reason? Or does she think all non-white people hold hands and sing when white people aren't around?
I think it's easier to just boil it down to bigotry or race hate and not turn it into a debate over what racism is/isn't.
Racists revel in the non-stop debate about whether certain groups of people can be racist or not.
Racists revel in the non-stop debate about whether certain groups of people can be racist or not.
Many of the posts in here need the "... in America / Europe" suffix added, as these statements make zero sense in the context of India (untouchable caste), China, Japan, Brazil, etc.
Recommended reading for you and your partner. (And everyone)
People love spouting their opinions about race. Yet most are completely ignorant on the topic. Imagine if the same applied to physics?
New rule you're not allowed to use institutional racism as the definition of racism
Most people when they just say racism don't mean especially in a non academic sense
If you are you have to be very specific what you mean
It makes conversation a lot less annoying
Most people when they just say racism don't mean especially in a non academic sense
If you are you have to be very specific what you mean
It makes conversation a lot less annoying
I'm not sure how a PoC could sail with the wind as it's always against them, being the systemic issues that white racists can ride upon but PoC - even those prejudice (and herein I see the distinction of terms) - would have to fight against regardless.
In that challenge though you've made clear the distinction as replacing prejudice with racist in that sentence felt misplaced. So I appreciate you doing so.
White supremacy exists in the entire world. Unless you tell me that American media and culture isn't consumed in those countries?
In east Asia, racism regarding white and black people is almost entirely informed by western white supremacy
Racism is different everywhere. But the themes are almost entirely conserved.
America and Europe is always assumed when on era or twitter
Not all poc the same. Colorism. Different privilege. Etc. Just being a minority doesn't mean you're not racist. You think Hispanics and Asians don't contribute to white supremacy? It's complex and nuanced. Just being a minority doesn't make you magically immune
Yes, of course. The definitions are clear enough.
There's no doubt that institutional discrimination is more damaging overall, as it's defined by the oppression of entire groups across society.
Someone who argues that people of color can't be racist, or women can't be sexist, may have the misconception that institutional racism and sexism are the only kinds that count. Anyone who's personally experienced discrimination can tell you that's nonsense.
There's no doubt that institutional discrimination is more damaging overall, as it's defined by the oppression of entire groups across society.
Racism implies racial hierarchy. Prejudice is not the same. Racism is systemic by its very definition
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