so people that ARENT a part of 343... like i said, you want destiny; go play destiny.
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Brad Sams: There’s been further executive turnover at 343 Industries
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Wait, is there actually an expectation that the new console reveal will be this year?
Well yeah,but if you consider they have 5 full years to build the game,that's a long dev cycle for AAA games. There is no excuse
That's mostly Bungie being Bungie. They did the same shit with Destiny and Destiny 2.
I also think Halo: CE had troubled development prior to Microsoft acquiring Bungie (I could be mis-remembering here).
Departures like that are always newsworthy. Time will tell if it actually means much within the studio, though.
From the limited info out there, it seems Infinite is essentially a reboot of the IP. Might as well go all out and try new things. I'm expecting a live service game akin to Destiny with maybe a few modes catering more to classic Halo. Or maybe more of a hero shooter like Overwatch with an open-world, co-op focused campaign.
Old school arena MP is absolutely dead, and I don't see any situation where Infinite is like any other game in the series. I used to think a return to basics was what Halo needed to stay on top, but I was wrong.
From the limited info out there, it seems Infinite is essentially a reboot of the IP. Might as well go all out and try new things. I'm expecting a live service game akin to Destiny with maybe a few modes catering more to classic Halo. Or maybe more of a hero shooter like Overwatch with an open-world, co-op focused campaign.
Old school arena MP is absolutely dead, and I don't see any situation where Infinite is like any other game in the series. I used to think a return to basics was what Halo needed to stay on top, but I was wrong.
Tbh I'm not sure. I think either way we will get some serious time dedicated to it. X19 or E3 2020 (or another event on it's own) makes sense. And it makes sense they would save Halo gameplay for it. Like why not show your flagship franchise with the new console to generate massive hype? Doesn't that make more sense from a marketing standpoint?
We saw with Gears it doesn't matter if campaign is shown off until the end, Gears was the biggest Gears game in a long time and it knocked Fortnite off number 1.
Halo gameplay not being shown yet shouldn't worry anyone.
Yeah this sounds about right. Honestly would be shocked if they don't show anything before next E3.
i know everyone loves drama, its fun to speculate, and we got the usual concern trolling, but perhaps we wait to hear more than "i heard some executive of unknown role may or may not have left the project for any number of reasons" before we jump to conclusions?
Business as usual.
Remember when Sony was having a bunch of turnover and people freaked out for nothing? Yea, that's just the games industry for you.
Remember when Sony was having a bunch of turnover and people freaked out for nothing? Yea, that's just the games industry for you.
I will start to worry when the head of catering leaves the company. Food is the driving force.
Hmm I don't know, personally I'm expecting a pre-E3 event to reveal the console next year. I wouldn't be shocked if they tried to get in front of Sony and scheduled it for X19, but I almost feel like they would have announced the event and said at the same time that it will reveal the console. I do think we'll get the first Infinite gameplay, or at least a strong teaser for an E3 reveal at the console reveal event though.
Halo has really gone from one of my favorite games to something that I don't even think about anymore. I have no expectations for Infinite.
i still love halo as an IP, but i have negative expecatitons because of the last decade of halo.
Hmm... I dunno.
I love Halo, but if I'm MS I'm extremely disappointed with their output. When an industry leading franchise becomes an also-ran surpassed by other legacy franchises that were also-rans during the same time period, you have to question whether the right executive decisions are being made.
Creatively, I think the series would be better off re-embracing what seperated it from the rest of the shooter market, rather than trying to fit in with the crowd. That's probably not something a creative person wants to hear- they want to make it their own. So I get it if there's a ton of turnover.
Whatever happens, I hope the right people land at the studio. Halo is still my favorite franchise despite the string of missteps.
I love Halo, but if I'm MS I'm extremely disappointed with their output. When an industry leading franchise becomes an also-ran surpassed by other legacy franchises that were also-rans during the same time period, you have to question whether the right executive decisions are being made.
Creatively, I think the series would be better off re-embracing what seperated it from the rest of the shooter market, rather than trying to fit in with the crowd. That's probably not something a creative person wants to hear- they want to make it their own. So I get it if there's a ton of turnover.
Whatever happens, I hope the right people land at the studio. Halo is still my favorite franchise despite the string of missteps.
Nah man it leaves much to be desired. Maybe if Microsoft scoops up Bungie...
Phil pushing them in any direction would be a bad sign. Hire creative people with a vision and let them create.
Hopefully the people pushing sprint have left lol in all seriousness though I really hope they can deliver.
I appreciate behind the scenes reports, but I wish Microsoft would also give me a reason to remember the title optimistically again. They should release the (presumably) Infinite video from Halo Outpost Discovery's The Ring Experience now that the event is over, which was genuinely awesome to witness in the dome.
I assume (hope) X019 will be about arena (or arena-equivalent) gameplay and its flighting, with the hints we've gotten from 343.
I assume (hope) X019 will be about arena (or arena-equivalent) gameplay and its flighting, with the hints we've gotten from 343.
id rather they have Arena gameplay ala halo 1-3, than 'Arena adjacent' gameplay personally.
This is gross and would prove 343i learned nothing.
Since the inception of 343i, They've been ditching Halo's classic sensibilities in the name of chasing trends and it has yet to pay off.
Players won't respond well to a knockoff Destiny. They'll just go play Destiny.
Oh, my "hope" comment about an arena or arena-equivalent blowout wasn't my sentiment on what I want the gameplay to be like, more so that I'm just hoping 343 follows through on what they've been hinting at with flighting the game by the end of the year, so I can see what the gameplay is, period, vs the (cool) mood pieces and story trailers we've had so far. We don't even know what they could be flighting first with Infinite, it could be something unconventional compared to the Halo 5's beta.
And if they miss the end of year window that they've hinted at (not promised) for Infinite flighting, no biggie if it's to avoid crunch.
I don't think we'll know if Halo Infinite is going to be good until E3 2020. When executives and creative directors leave, that tells us there's stress and conflict, that's about it.
This is really key for me nowadays. We have multiple trends converging to make showing "gameplay" years in advance something that the Japanese and no one else is doing. People have short attention spans, we forget the hype almost as soon as we've felt it. Excitement is fleeting and it does not translate into anything meaningful or tangible unless there's something to direct that excitement to IMMEDIATELY IN THE MOMENT. That's true in every sphere of life. As a responsible adult I give regularly to orgs and individuals that I want to support. I STILL give way more in impulse moments where I choose to support people because of an unexpected pitch that affects me in limited way. But do that in the same way where I am not prepared to log in and pay up? There's no guarantee I will remember to pull up the tab once I get home.
That is combined with the realization that best-guess demos have massive potential to do more harm than good. Not only do you get the obnoxious downgrade! puddlegate! crap that we see all the time now, but it also locks you into certain things way way earlier in a development culture nowadays that values working right up to and beyond launch date. Is that good? No, but it's something that studios value. That's combined with the fact that it just takes tons of time and effort to craft and create these demos - especially for things as intricate and detailed as AAA game trailers are now. Think about how ABSOLUTELY THOROUGHLY the E3 2019 trailer (which was just the opening an-ingame cinematic, which I think is far better) was scrubbed and broken down. How every lighting choice and diaper was critiqued and appraised. And how they still found an easter egg months after the fact. These things are not trivial to create.
So combine limited benefits to showing early, with the large potential downsides to showing early, with the relative difficulty of showing early.. well.. why would you show early? Explode onto the scene when you're ready to make moves. Show us gameplay when you're hyping up Scarlett or - probably - announcing some awesome program that will make the Xbox ecosystem an even better place to play games. People are actively avoiding DS gameplay. Sucker Punch showed Ghosts when that was probably all they had of the game done. And then they had nothing to show this entire year for over a year and a half. It's a strategy that has worked in the past. This is a new era.
Man I freaking love reading my own words. Why do I write so much.
I don't expect anything from Halo games anymore.
Halo went drastically down hill IMO after Halo 3 and Reach. I wasn't referring specifically to game modes missing, but that's a valid point. I just thought Halo 4 was an overall bad game, and as far as replay value - i'm sure it was great for some, but I thought it was the worst entry in the series by a long shot.
I have no expectations for Infinite. 343 hasn't done much to earn my trust. I'm still trying to get over the whole MCC debacle where the game was in a broken state for months. Let that sink in. They shipped a game in a state where it was broken for almost a year...Good on them for working on MCC today though. I think once that hits PC, Halo might have a bit of resurgence.
The gameplay and mechanics are fantastic, especially in multiplayer. Best Halo mp since halo 2 tbh.
Oh boy...this is definitely concerning. Having the creative director leave and even further staff leaving doesn't show the most encouraging sign that things are going ok with the development of the game. Hoping the quality of the game is unaffected by this.
This!
Things have been looking so good lately. Phil Spencer showing that the new studio stuff wasn't just talk, Scarlett coming next year and launching with Halo. We don't need bad news.
They have been working on this for a long time, I just hope they didn't get overly ambitious.
I don't think it was ever going to realistically come out on Xbox One...
Parts of the Halo community is always like that. With Halo 4 for example it was shit on from the campaign, story, music, multiplayer, ect. But Now atleast for the campaign stuff Halo 4 is being praised by those same parts of the community. It will not surprise me when people begin to look back at the Halo 5 campaign and say, it was actually pretty good".
My opinions on Halo 4 and 5 haven't really changed, they are great but at times flawed games with some questionable art and gameplay decisions.
I hope not, I do not plan getting the new Xbox at launch as I have other priorities and as I learned from the 360 launch it's not worth the risk.
This so much! That is a long ass time and 343 is huge, tons of devs in there.
I kinda wish they would clarify some of this, reassure us that all is well. But even if they did that, who would believe it? And honestly that would even be understandable too. Fuck man, this should be a time to look forward to Halo returning to form again.
They don't need to say anything. They just need to show off the game when it's ready.
Want me to get started about how shitty the weapon sandbox is in Halo 3?